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Re: Brexit
« Reply #255 on: December 13, 2019, 04:12:17 PM »
>But it's a good injection of chaos for the system in the long run.

Exactly how I felt about the 2016 election here, though it's hard to stomach while it is happening.  I may quote you on that one.

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« Reply #256 on: December 13, 2019, 05:23:27 PM »
Britain speeds towards Brexit as Johnson wins large majority in election - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-exit-poll/uk-heads-towards-brexit-as-johnson-on-course-for-decisive-win-idUSKBN1YG2NZ

So, the question now is whether it'll be soft or hard landing?

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« Reply #257 on: December 13, 2019, 05:31:08 PM »
Short term stability but remains to be seen what the future trading arrangement will be with EU.

Northern Ireland elected more nationalist than unionist MPs for the first time (they voted to remain). The Brexit deal would seem to have a 'border in the Irish sea'.

Scotland won't vote for independence, there's too many cards held in London that they won't show. Part of the outrage of being in a union apparently.

Would be preferable for ENG/WAL to secede and vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party and proceed with their direction ;o)

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« Reply #258 on: December 13, 2019, 06:35:50 PM »
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Scotland won't vote for independence, there's too many cards held in London that they won't show.

Interesting... I am assuming she will ask for a referendum at the very least.   Boris will say "later". 

But what makes you sure the "Won't vote". What cards? ... Intrigued :)
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« Reply #259 on: December 13, 2019, 07:00:45 PM »
>I am assuming she will ask for a referendum at the very least.

Think so. From what I gather, she would rather wait but her grass roots are applying pressure to make it happen ASAP.

I'm in one of those Scottish seats that voted in a Tory, the population is generally older here. A lot of the SNP vote is actually just a counterweight to a more South-centric Tory vote IMO. We shunted Labour and now the traditional Labour seats in England are following. From a personal standpoint, doesn't make much difference to me who is in power at Westminster, my house is pretty much paid for and I'm low maintenance, I'll survive whoever gets in. On an ideal level, I think Scots are thinking/choosing differently enough to choose a different direction. Nothing against the UK or GB whatsoever either.

>What cards

We're in a union of equals. Back in the day the population proportion was more like 1 SCO/4 ENG, nowadays 1/10. Even so, it's a union.

In the 2014 referendum Westminster took the stance that Scotland would take a share of the UK national debt and 0% of assets. That's about as far as the scope of independence was taken from their standpoint. Makes for massive uncertainty about a 'yes' vote when 'our' share of the UK is worth precisely nil, according to London. It's just a bit perverse that the union parliament unilaterally decides those things against a portion of its union, isn't it.

As the SNP mantra goes, Scotland is being forced out of the EU against its will, considering our Yes vote in the EU referendum. The SNP mandate in this general election 'kind of' says the same.

Personally I think the SNP should do groundwork on what kind of withdrawal method an independent Scotland would take, get it in writing, but as it stands a new referendum would just be a repeat of the 2014 version, only difference in scenario being the choice the UK made in the EU ref.

The thing in Scotland is how you identify. If you're British, it's simply a UK-wide result and we respect it. If you identify as Scottish, you see that the SNP won the election up here overwhelmingly and it's at odds with the rest of the UK. Seems to me most election maps the past 10 years show the latter.

I blame this general mess on neglect of the English regions outside the South East anyways. Pretty sure the Geordies would like to come up our way :)

If Brexit proves a mess and London's financial sector loses its global shine, who knows, maybe indy would happen. For me, there's too many barriers in the way, psychologically up here as well as resistance from the folks in London.
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« Reply #260 on: December 13, 2019, 08:13:21 PM »
You do all know that if you lived your ilfe not thinking about brexit, your life would be the same, just filled with les pointless chatter ;+}
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« Reply #261 on: December 13, 2019, 08:18:43 PM »
>You do all know that if you lived your ilfe not thinking about brexit, your life would be the same, just filled with les pointless chatter ;+}

Do you think someone in Yugoslavia said something similar in 1989?

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« Reply #262 on: December 13, 2019, 08:32:18 PM »
>les pointless chatter

Just a sassenanch anyways, until you make the news ;o)

But TBF having David Gilmour make a song about you, it's all gravy.
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« Reply #263 on: December 13, 2019, 10:19:10 PM »
>You do all know that if you lived your ilfe not thinking about brexit, your life would be the same, just filled with les pointless chatter ;+}

Do you think someone in Yugoslavia said something similar in 1989?

Someone said everything sometime, my point is is that the peaks and troughs will settle, it's all still vanilla-flavoured but now we have a healthy dose of Pecans. We're all number-crunchers here, we know how the graphs look, whatever they denote and whichever totem we're tying to them. The system survives, business goes on, adapts, changes.
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« Reply #264 on: December 13, 2019, 10:32:41 PM »
>we know how the graphs look, whatever they denote and whichever totem we're tying to them. The system survives, business goes on, adapts, changes.

You must mean staying in the EU then. cos it doesn't make much sense throwing a huge economic union with our nearest neighbours without something better to replace it. :o)

But I guess you were being agnostic. Makes me wonder about the wealth of London and how it ends up there.

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« Reply #265 on: December 13, 2019, 10:34:52 PM »
The wealth of London is quite the story, it's good not to live there anymore, toxic city like many of the bigguns :/
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« Reply #266 on: December 13, 2019, 10:39:43 PM »
>we know how the graphs look, whatever they denote and whichever totem we're tying to them. The system survives, business goes on, adapts, changes.

You must mean staying in the EU then. cos it doesn't make much sense throwing a huge economic union with our nearest neighbours without something better to replace it. :o)

But I guess you were being agnostic. Makes me wonder about the wealth of London and how it ends up there.

(in my best robot voice) It's interesting to watch your extrapolation of self, you make much of what wasn't said.
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« Reply #267 on: December 13, 2019, 11:11:15 PM »
Think in the end London would like to sling the rest of us out the way and they'd do just fine.

No worries sassenach. I say to people up here all the time, you identify as British it's all good, nothing to be ashamed of.
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« Reply #268 on: December 14, 2019, 12:06:29 AM »
Think in the end London would like to sling the rest of us out the way and they'd do just fine.

No worries sassenach. I say to people up here all the time, you identify as British it's all good, nothing to be ashamed of.

Again you're assuming, it's educational to watch pal :)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #269 on: December 14, 2019, 12:10:42 AM »
edited, alcohol, not worth it :)

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