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Travoli

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2016, 08:17:53 PM »
"People voting against their own interests" is an epidemic. Mackin, where does that fit into your apocalypse scenarios matrix?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2016, 02:46:23 PM »
Random Brad Thoughts:

1. Will there be a run on French wine in the UK in the next 2 years?

2.  How will Brexit effect my supply of Scotch whiskey here in the US and should I stockpile?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2016, 04:16:08 PM »
"apocalypse scenarios matrix"

I hope for the BEST

Plan for the WORST
Mr. Mackin


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2016, 08:03:52 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/?tid=a_inl

Not even funny.  The politically disconnected turned out in droves and voted based on whichever sides bullshit they believed and were most scared by (most leave with the "millions or brown faces stealing your jobs and waiting to bomb you" crap).

When I arrived to vote there were two couple ahead of me. The first were being given short treatment by the a polling station volunteer who was pointing out that they are at the polling station and they should use the one that is actually in the road that they live in. She asked if they had ever voted before. The answer was no... they were both in their forties.   At least they were better than the couple behind them - they were in the wrong town.

What is more scary though is how the vote is being taken as a legitimisation of racist views by the worst parts of society: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075 
America should watch this.  I could see the same happening if Trump gets in, but "super-sized" .

I've never felt less British.   

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2016, 08:34:04 AM »
Nothing really to do with immigration.

17M were not all racist, little Englanders that are a bit thick.

No wonder the 52 kept quiet as they are firmly in the firing line from the rest, the young (18-24 years = 38% turnout) and the establishment. You know all the clever people.

The establishment have been served.

This sums it up:
https://twitter.com/SkipLicker/status/747339495830257666

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:03 AM »

17M were not all racist, little Englanders that are a bit thick.

Agreed, but someone needs to tell the racists that.  The vote seems to have been taken as a public endorsement of racism.    Even in my polite sleepy little neck of the wood a blank mother and daughter (who's family have been local for decades) were just told in the supermarket that they have 2 years to pack.   In the school playground this morning two mum's were proudly declaring how "the Syrians can all f### off now"   (Even if Syria was in the EU I think they'd struggle to find a single syrian in our 99%+ white town)

I have no complaints about the politically engaged to wanted out for good reasons. There are many good reasons to want that. Sadly few of those were really discussed an a fair proportion of the 52% seem to have voted based on the lies and nonsense they were fed.   An awful campaign by both sides. Fear mongering by 'in', lies and fear mongering by 'out'.    It's going to be a long time before there are any winners (short-selling aside).


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« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2016, 10:35:36 AM »

I have no complaints about the politically engaged to wanted out for good reasons. There are many good reasons to want that. Sadly few of those were really discussed an a fair proportion of the 52% seem to have voted based on the lies and nonsense they were fed.   An awful campaign by both sides. Fear mongering by 'in', lies and fear mongering by 'out'.    It's going to be a long time before there are any winners (short-selling aside).


Completely agree that the campaign on both sides was awful. It seems to have been the standard electioneering type campaign driven by party politics when this should have been something entirely different.

Instead we had each side trying to score political points off the other (eventhough each side consisted of politicians from both main parties) rather than actually trying to inform voters on the positives and negatives of leave or stay. It is only after the results that we are starting to see more factual debate that should have taken place beforehand rather than trying to scare the electorate to vote one way or the other.

When push comes to shove the English can be a pretty obdurate bunch so when faced with such an appallingly negative campaign by the ruling party I think many thought enough is enough and voted to give Cameron a bloody nose regardless of the wider picture.

What I personally found troubling in all this was the role the media played. For example an outlet which generally speaking can be considered as even handed, the BBC seemed almost tabloid in nature. Rather than a balanced level of reporting on either side there was a real stoking of emotional arguments when a clear head was needed.

This vote, more than any as far back as I can remember was forged by a rabid media in my opinion.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2016, 10:42:15 AM »
What I personally found troubling in all this was the role the media played. For example an outlet which generally speaking can be considered as even handed, the BBC seemed almost tabloid in nature. Rather than a balanced level of reporting on either side there was a real stoking of emotional arguments when a clear head was needed.

This has been really noticeable.  It's been really challenging trying to even find even-handed coverage.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2016, 10:44:02 AM »
Even the Independent, while claiming to be unbiased.  Was not.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2016, 11:03:12 AM »
Media, all ball washing bastards.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2016, 12:14:19 PM »
Interesting CHART
Mr. Mackin

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2016, 12:35:43 PM »
In my view the Leave campaign won due to three simple points.

They had a partially aspirational message - "Great Britain can be great again and rule ourselves"

and

"Immigration is bad"

And the Remain campaign had one terrible message of Doom and Gloom if we leave.

The Remain camp were honest the leave camp less so, but the Remain camp needed to address aspiration and immigration. They didn't touch either.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2016, 05:43:54 PM »
1.
"Great Britain can be great again and rule ourselves... " and "Immigration is bad"

2.
America should watch this.  I could see the same happening if Trump gets in, but "super-sized" .

3. Nothing left to add...

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2016, 07:24:07 PM »