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ergophobe

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States people are fleeing - guess #1
« on: December 10, 2019, 07:01:10 PM »
Sorry guys, no it is not CA.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/united-van-lines-national-movers-study-reveals-americans-are-moving-west-and-south-300771327.html

This is from Jan 2019. Should have then 2019 numbers in a month or so
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2019, 07:02:19 PM »
This started from a Forbes article based on United Van Lines data that was a PITA slideshow. That said Illinois was #1. Maybe they got a pre-release on the 2019 data or maybe it was older data.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2019, 09:01:45 PM »
I am very happy to see California in homeostasis, though I'm sure the immigrant population boom is not fully reflected in that data.  Kansas will give people free land if they agree to stay for enough time or start a business.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2019, 09:05:51 PM »
I think it is worth throwing these stats into the mix for a better picture of what is happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

Check out how fertility rates are falling!

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Adding one more...

U.S. Immigrant Population by State and County
« Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 09:09:17 PM by littleman »
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ergophobe

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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2019, 09:09:29 PM »
Quote from: littleman on December 10, 2019, 09:01:45 PM
immigrant population boom

Ya. Probably not moving with United Van Lines. I would say that data skews toward the upper end of the economic scale and completely misses anyone who moves themselves.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2019, 09:11:48 PM »
Wow. New Englanders are old and Nebraskans are having a (relatively) lot of unprotected sex!

I'm surprised at the variation among states (not counting territories, where things are very different).  Maine is almost 50% older than Utah.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2019, 05:09:02 PM »
>Kansas will give people free land if they agree to stay for enough time or start a business.

Yes, they will.  However, the school system is crap, so few take advantage of it.  And I don't blame them.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2019, 05:11:29 PM »
>Nebraskans are having a (relatively) lot of unprotected sex!

It's because they are poor and can't afford birth control.  The poverty rate in my town in Kansas is heart breaking.  No jobs, no hope. 
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2019, 05:18:52 PM »
From what I'm reading, a crapload of them are moving to NC --looks like we're going to increase by 900k since last census.  But the flow, both in-state and from outside, is to urban areas.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2019, 12:45:28 PM »
Vermont, Oklahoma and Now Topeka, Kan., Want You - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/14/automobiles/Move-to-Topeka-Kansas.html
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2020, 05:41:24 AM »
People fleeing California are changing the political landscape of the American Southwest.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/12/how-californians-moving-to-nevada-are-changing-the-states-politics/

From NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

"In Nevada...Democrats won the governor’s mansion and a second U.S. Senate seat in 2018."

"Colorado... is now reliably blue. Democrats won majorities there by more than 100,000 votes in the last two presidential elections. "

"Arizona could be the next to fall to Democrats.

Trump won Arizona by 91,000 votes. But in 2018, the quirky Kyrsten Sinema became the first Democrat to win a Senate seat since 1988, with a victory margin of about 56,000 votes.

Looking at this year’s electoral map, Arizona is a wild card.

Texas, the top state for California exiles, will probably come up short for Democrats this year, though it’s in play. Democrats have a growing advantage in Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio, all seeing heavy U-Haul traffic from California."
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2020, 05:17:27 PM »
Yes, seeing a lot of anti-Californian articles about Texas, Idaho, etc. It's like a repeat of the Californication meme in Oregon years ago. Even so, everyone I know who leaves goes to Portland or Bend. But of course, they are mountain people looking for other mountain areas.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2020, 06:32:07 PM »
>Californication

It is two folds though right?   I mean, there is the culture, but there is also the economic impact.  Californians spreading to the NE and SW tend to drive real estate prices up, causing resentment with the locals.  My response to that is that most of the influx is due to hordes  of people from the rest of the country (and world) buying property and raising rents here.   Literally everyone I knew in high school moved to more affordable areas.   Unfortunately, most of them went to places like Fresno and Modesto where their quality of life went down -- I'd much rather live in Oregon.
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2020, 07:25:45 PM »
Live in Oregon

WE DID

Eastern Oregon Wants A Divorce: County-By-County Initiative Underway To Join Idaho

imo: It will fail but ya get the idea...
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Re: States people are fleeing - guess #1
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2020, 08:00:10 PM »
Quote from: littleman on February 18, 2020, 06:32:07 PM
drive real estate prices up,

Yes, mostly that. And it was ever so. When religious refugees poured into Geneva in the 1550s, it created a terrible housing crunch and intense, sometimes violent clashes between refugees (like John Calvin) and natives.
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