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UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« on: March 14, 2019, 02:06:20 PM »

 Utility Week
https://utilityweek.co.uk/gas-connections-new-homes-banned-2025/

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"Gas is four times cheaper than electricity, and homes with a gas supply are one and a half times less likely to be in fuel poverty."

Plans to ban gas heating in new homes must be put on hold
https://www.gmb.org.uk/news/plans-ban-gas-heating-new-homes-must-be-put-hold

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Re: UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 03:09:00 PM »
Heat pumps makes for a low-cost alternative. And will make us less reliant on Russian gas, which is going to be an increasingly sensitive issue here, as it already is in Germany.

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Re: UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 05:11:56 PM »
I didn't realize UK used RU gas. I would have guessed North Sea and/or Africa.

Besides their cost, air-to air heat pumps have 2 main problems;

1) Their size and layout doesn't fit well in high-density urban dwellings such as large apartment buildings.

2) Their efficiency tails off quickly at ambient air temps below 40f/4.4c.  We do well with them here in the mid-South but less temperate places like (much of??) the UK would be relying on auxiliary electric heating elements a significant portion of the cold months. 

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Re: UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 07:17:33 PM »
We are using them here in the Chicago area, but in really well insulated homes.  I'll quiz my neighbors how they fared this winter. Past winters their utility bill has been about on par with conventional gas heat.  All their units are made by Mitsubishi.

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Re: UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 07:29:05 PM »
>All their units are made by Mitsubishi.

 
Mitsubishi has very high seer units, 24-ish, so that makes sense in that locale.  Down here, the sweet spot for cost vs efficiency is 14 seer.

Those "suitcase" heat pumps (Mitsubishi, Panasonic, others?) also have more compact outdoor condenser units ....which is why you see them plastered all over the sides of apartments and condos in Spain, Italy, & SE Asia.

So, yes, they work in some places but they have a long way to go to be able to replace gas, particularly in existing buildings. 

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Re: UK: Gas heating in new homes to be banned from 2025
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2019, 01:13:17 PM »
I didn't realize UK used RU gas. I would have guessed North Sea and/or Africa.

Here you go: https://www.britishgas.co.uk/the-source/our-world-of-energy/energys-grand-journey/where-does-uk-gas-come-from



As you can appreciate, any European reliance on Russia is politically sensitive. No wonder we're pushing on fracking for energy security.