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Why We Are Here => Hardware & Technology => Topic started by: rcjordan on December 14, 2017, 05:52:26 PM

Title: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on December 14, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
old thread title: China's VidNet locates a reporter in 7 minutes

Watch the vid:

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-42248056/in-your-face-china-s-all-seeing-state
Title: Re: China's VidNet locates a reporter in 7 minutes
Post by: ergophobe on December 14, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
That is horrifying.
Title: Re: China's VidNet locates a reporter in 7 minutes
Post by: rcjordan on December 14, 2017, 07:06:40 PM
Yeah.  Now think of all the cams in, say, London and apply the same tech.
Title: Re: China's VidNet locates a reporter in 7 minutes
Post by: Rooftop on December 15, 2017, 09:27:30 AM
I think that this gets a lot more scary when you move away from the idea that it needs special cameras (everyone here.. and in fact anyone who's used face search in google or facebook photos  knows that isn't the case). You just need to be ale to collect the images.

Maybe countries like China inevitably abusing this technology will make the general population in places like the UK less accepting of how far we've gone down the same route.
Title: Re: China's VidNet locates a reporter in 7 minutes
Post by: rcjordan on December 15, 2017, 04:13:57 PM
>will make the general population in places like the UK less accepting of how far we've gone down the same route.

I suspect we're (US & UK) are already there --at least in some jurisdictions.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on December 18, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
You, too, can have your own VidNet.

Ella brings smart searching to home security cameras

https://www.techhive.com/article/3242989/security-cameras/ella-brings-smarter-searching-to-home-security-cameras.html
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: Rumbas on December 18, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
>Now think of all the cams in, say, London and apply the same tech.

Worked with a client some years ago. They are one of the primary suppliers of CCTV to the buslanes in London. When the talk got to software and what they 'could' do, they went silent and not something they wanted to discuss at all.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on December 18, 2017, 02:18:12 PM
> this gets a lot more scary when you move away from the idea that it needs special cameras (everyone here.. and in fact anyone who's used face search in google or facebook photos  knows that isn't the case)


Good point. From the Ella post above:
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Ella looks pretty compelling, especially as Sailor says it is hardware agnostic and works with the majority of available security cameras. IRC Realtime will announce pricing and availability, along with the Ella website, on Jan. 8, 2018.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on December 19, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
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Facebook Inc said on Tuesday it would begin using facial recognition technology to tell people on the social network when others upload photos of them, if they agree to let the company keep a facial template on file.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy/facebook-to-notify-users-when-photos-of-them-are-uploaded-idUSKBN1ED25Z
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on December 21, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
burger chain recognizes your face to place an order

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805000/caliburger-nec-face-recognition-order-food

"You pay for every convenience." -RC's mom
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on January 04, 2018, 05:47:43 PM
Detroit heads towards a mandatory surveillance state

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Install surveillance cameras for the cops or maybe they won't show up.


https://boingboing.net/2018/01/04/detroit-heads-towards-a-mandat.html
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on March 27, 2018, 04:45:17 PM
Jaywalkers under surveillance in Shenzhen soon to be punished via text messages

http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2138960/jaywalkers-under-surveillance-shenzhen-soon-be-punished-text
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: ergophobe on March 27, 2018, 04:56:08 PM
I always thought we would be choosing between 1984 and Brave New World, and I was betting on Brave New World.

Now it appears we're getting both.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on March 27, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
It gets worse. I just found this.

After faces, China is moving quickly to identify people by their voices

https://qz.com/1232988/after-faces-china-is-moving-quickly-to-identify-people-by-their-voices/
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: ergophobe on March 27, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
Now you're depressing me.

The tools of oppression are progressing at an alarming rate. China, of course, will roll them out to 1/3 of the planet, and then make them cheap to cover the rest of the planet.

I prefer to depend on the incompetence of governments to enact dictatorial processes, rather than the responsibility of governments (or companies) not to.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: ergophobe on March 28, 2018, 06:48:01 PM
Related....
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/china-social-credit-system-ant-financials-sesame-credit-and-others-give-scores-that-go-beyond-fico.html
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: rcjordan on March 28, 2018, 07:23:23 PM
Xi is going to have those poor souls nailed down.  My concern is that we're not far behind.
Title: Re: VidNet: Cams + AI = Privacy Apocalypse
Post by: ergophobe on March 28, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
My concern is that we're not far behind.

Me too. I'm mostly an optimist, but I see a lot of problems for humanity over the short term (next 50-100 years). My father, traditionally an incorrigible optimist, now often says things like "Well, at least I won't be around to have to deal with that."