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Title: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on October 15, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/data-property-right/

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    The right to be informed as to what data will be collected, and how it will be used
    The right to opt out of data collection or sharing
    The right to be told if a website has data on you, and what that data is
    The right to be forgotten; to have all data related to you deleted upon request
    The right to be informed if ownership of your data changes hands
    The right to be informed of any data breaches including your information in a timely manner
    The right to download all data in a standardized format to port to another platform

This is a pretty radical departure from what we have right now.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Drastic on October 16, 2019, 01:08:26 PM
That's how it should be. I like this guy best out of all contenders. Wish he had a chance.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Mackin USA on October 16, 2019, 02:14:20 PM
I like YANG
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on October 16, 2019, 02:26:08 PM
Warren/Yang is a possibility, I guess. But Debbie is betting it is going to be Warren/Buttigieg.

<added>  Just ran across this.

Total cash on hand:
Sanders $33.7 m (and a heart attack)
Warren $25.7
Buttigieg $23.4 m
Harris $10.5 m
Biden $9 m
Yang $6.3 m
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Mackin USA on October 16, 2019, 06:13:08 PM
>>>But Debbie is betting it is going to be Warren/Buttigieg.

Pete seems like a smart guy. Doubt he would hitch his wagon to that woman. He would be better served waiting until 2024.

BUT if Bloomberg were to get back in THAT would be a rice.
https://www.salon.com/2019/10/15/mike-bloomberg-now-hints-he-may-run-for-president-as-warren-surges-biden-sags/
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on October 16, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Doubt he would hitch his wagon to that woman.

Meanwhile, she would be nuts to take Yang as VP. Yang speaks his mind, which is a terrible quality in a VP. Imagine President Pence and VP Trump. That's sort of how I imagine Warren/Yang (though Yang has more self-control than Trump, he says what's on his mind)
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on October 16, 2019, 07:50:40 PM
Debbie thinks that Buttigieg carries as much as a 20% "hidden" voter base.  He's not electable as president, but he adds a youth-ish dynamic as vp.

As an aside, I don't think any of the candidates in either party are worth powder & shot.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Torben on October 16, 2019, 08:08:19 PM
Sounds like GDPR to me
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on October 16, 2019, 08:22:14 PM
>Debbie thinks that Buttigieg carries as much as a 20% "hidden" voter base.

I was thinking the opposite.  I think thee are a lot of Americans who privately wouldn't vote for a gay man.  I don't know if it is as high as 20% though.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on October 16, 2019, 08:46:04 PM
>a lot of Americans who privately wouldn't vote for a gay man.

Yeah, but they're gonna vote Republican anyway. hhh

>a lot of Americans who privately wouldn't vote for a gay man.

I'm thinking (& hearing) he's a big deal with the under-35 crowd. Big enough to *maybe* get them out to vote.

<added>
..and look at that cash-on-hand.  That's coming from somebody.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on October 16, 2019, 09:56:04 PM
>Bloomberg

Michael Bloomberg's Last Chance
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/michael-bloombergs-last-chance/90870/


The last sentence is interesting.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Drastic on October 18, 2019, 09:29:03 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/djpf40/iama_presidential_candidate_andrew_yang_ama/
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Mackin USA on November 08, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
Michael Bloomberg Prepares To Enter The Presidential Race

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is preparing to enter the 2020 Democratic primary despite saying earlier this year he would not run for president, according to the NYT. The billionaire environmentalist has been privately weighing a bid for the White House for weeks and has not yet made a final decision on whether to run, an adviser said. But in the first sign that he is seriously moving toward a campaign, Bloomberg has dispatched staffers to Alabama to gather signatures to qualify for the primary there. Though Alabama does not hold an early primary, it has a Friday deadline for candidates to formally enter the race.

AP adds that Bloomberg opens the door to a presidential run because the field of Democratic candidates is "not well positioned" to defeat Trump.

MORE:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/elections-2020-us/michael-bloomberg-actively-prepares-to-enter-2020-presidential-race/ar-BBWsB7M?li=BBoPRmx

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/michael-bloomberg-opens-door-2020-presidential-campaign-66833947

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7662671/Michael-Bloomberg-gets-ready-2020-Democratic-ballot.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on November 09, 2019, 03:03:55 AM
>a lot of Americans who privately wouldn't vote for a gay man.

Yeah, but they're gonna vote Republican anyway. hhh...
I'm thinking (& hearing) he's a big deal with the under-35 crowd. Big enough to *maybe* get them out to vote.

You know, I think it's old farts like us who think that way. I keep seeing articles that one of the growing splits in the evangelical movement is between young and old on attitudes toward homosexuality. The young people just don't get this aspect of the culture wars.

That said, I think if he were a *single* gay man, that would be one thing. I think voters are just barely ready for a First Man if the president is a woman, but not ready for a First Man to Mr President. Could be wrong. I honestly know very few 18-30 year old conservatives. Lots of libertarians in that age group though. In fact, a large proportion of the libertarians I know are in that age group and, as a rule, libertarians don't care who you marry as long as it doesn't affect them and they don't have to pay extra for your marriage choices.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on November 09, 2019, 03:05:52 AM
>>Bloomberg

I thought he would be a top candidate in 2016 and thought he should have run then, but I floated the idea to some New Yorkers. The big pushback they had was they thought he was way too boring and had no personality. They said it was bad enough to have him as mayor, they can't imagine him as president. That.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Mackin USA on November 09, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
Yep #Boring   :-\
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: buckworks on November 09, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
Sometimes boring is better ...
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on November 09, 2019, 03:12:12 PM
I'm not saying boring is bad in a president. We just do a poor job of electing the boring but competent. Eisenhower comes to mind, but "the general who saved the free world," was a good launchpad for someone otherwise not terribly inspiring.

I'm not sure "ninth richest American" is a match, but then, given the changes in who we lionize in America, it may be enough.

Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Brad on November 09, 2019, 03:44:02 PM
> boring

My first thought was that voters might be tired of "flashy" and might welcome a boring but competent President.  But then I think, in this social networking age voters have become used to "over the top" as part of the circus  and will mistake boring for ineffectual.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on November 10, 2019, 08:12:34 PM
I hope it's not true and I thought Bloomberg would be a really strong candidate.

I was just trying to say that when that's the first response from a relatively thoughtful New Yorker... it makes me think, "Uh oh."

I honestly don't know Bloomberg well enough to say whether or not I would support him, but I think having him in the race would add an important dimension, similar to what Jay Inslee brought, even though he did not actually win. He was the only one in the 2020 race I was interested in supporting, but alas, I guess I should have gotten off my a## and done something before he ran out of steam. But I think the "boring" aspect was part of Inslee's undoing. The advantages Bloomberg has that Inslee did not are massive name recognition and huge amounts of money.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Mackin USA on November 11, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
>> I think having him in the race would add an important dimension

Very true. It helps to balance the field. imo
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on November 11, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
I have to say that I find his jumping in late and bypassing the debates a bit annoying; it feels entitled to me.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: Brad on November 12, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
> entitled

I got that impression too.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on February 09, 2020, 06:50:49 PM
The more I read up on Yang the more it feels like he's a member here.  I think he's too ahead of the curve on issues, but its going to resonate ten years from now with the general population.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 06:53:45 PM
>going to resonate ten years from now

Ross Perot For President!
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on February 09, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
>Ross Perot For President

Yeah basically. I mean he was right on about what trade did to manufacturing jobs.   He mostly talked about NAFTA, but that was just a preview to China joining the WTO a decade later.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
Nobody wants to take bitter medicine.  Or even hear about it.

...And now we're running $1T annual deficit.

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money.

<+>
>deficit

And THAT'S with the supposedly fiscal hawks (GOP & leftovers of the Tea Party) in power.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on February 09, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
>And now we're running $1T annual deficit.

That was predictable in 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump#Business_bankruptcies).
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 09:10:28 PM
>That was predictable in 2016 1992.

FTFY

2012: Perot's economic stance resonates 20 years later
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/01/perot-20-years-later/1603897/
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on February 12, 2020, 02:42:10 AM
Yang is out; I bet we see him again.
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on February 13, 2020, 06:56:56 PM
Yang is out; I bet we see him again.

I think that's a fair bet. Here's his statement upon dropping out (relevant parts in bold)

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We have accomplished so much together.  We have brought a message of Humanity First and a vision of an economy and society that works for us and our families to millions of our fellow Americans.

We went from a mailing list that started with just my Gmail contact list to receiving donations from over 430,000 people and support from millions more across the country.

One of the things I’m most proud of -- we gave $1,000 a month for a year to 13 families across the country.

We highlighted the real problems in our communities as our economy is being transformed before our eyes by technology and automation.  We stood on the debate stage and shifted our national conversation to include the fourth industrial revolution, a topic no one wanted to touch.

Our signature proposal, Universal Basic Income, has become part of the mainstream conversation.  We increased the popular support for Universal Basic Income to 66% of Democrats and 72% among voters 18-34.

And without a doubt, we accelerated the eradication of poverty in our society by years, perhaps even generations,

And that is thanks to all of YOU!

Though thousands of voters came out for our campaign tonight in New Hampshire, it is not the outcome we fought so hard for.  It is bitterly disappointing for many of us.

But it should not be.

Every single day I’ve had supporters say to me:

“Your campaign helped me out of a depression.  Thank you.”

“Working on this campaign has made me a better human being.”

“I met my significant other because of you.”

“Your campaign brought my family together.  Your campaign got me excited about politics for the first time.”

These are all things that people have said to me in the past days.  I’m incredibly proud of this campaign.  We have touched and improved millions of lives and moved this country we love so much in the right direction.

And while there is great work left to be done, I am the MATH guy.  And it is clear tonight from the numbers that we are not going to win this race.  I am not someone who wants to accept donations and support in a race that we will not win.

And so tonight, I am suspending my campaign for president.

This is not an easy decision.  Endings are hard and I’ve always intended to stay in this race until the very end.  But I have been convinced that the message of this campaign will not be strengthened by my staying in this race any longer.

Endings are hard.  But this is not an ending.

This is a beginning.

This is the starting line.
  This campaign has awakened something fundamental in this country and ourselves.

We’ve outlasted over a dozen senators, governors, and members of Congress and become the most exciting force in this entire race.

The Yang Gang has fundamentally shifted the direction of this country and transformed our politics, and we are only continuing to grow.

My goal when I first started was always to solve the problems that got Donald Trump elected.  And I know in order to do that, I will support whoever is the Democratic nominee.  That said, I hope this campaign can be a message, and word of caution, to all of my Democratic colleagues.

Donald Trump is not the cause of all of our problems.  He is a symptom.  We must cure the disease that got him elected, and in order to do that we must address the real problems that affect our people and offer solutions to actually solve them.

Those solutions are bold, and many think they are crazy.  But I hope my campaign has made it a little less crazy to think we can lead our country to eradicate poverty.  In fact, five candidates in this field have already supported it or expressed openness to supporting Universal Basic Income.

I stand before you today and say that while we did not win this election, we are just getting started.

This is the beginning.


This movement is the future of American politics.

This movement is the future of the Democratic party.

This wave is just beginning and it will continue to build
until we rewrite the rules of this economy to work for us, the people of this country.

Thank you to each and every person who made this campaign possible, I love and appreciate you.  Being your candidate has been the privilege of my life.  We will continue to do the work and move this country forward.

Thank you all.  God bless you.  And God bless the United States of America.

-Andrew
Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: littleman on March 05, 2020, 08:56:12 PM
Andrew Yang launches nonprofit aimed at making his former campaign's ideas a reality (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/politics/andrew-yang-launching-nonprofit-group-podcast/index.html)

Title: Re: Data as a Property Right -- Yang has an interesting stance
Post by: ergophobe on June 10, 2020, 09:05:59 PM
They (i.e. Humanity Forward i.e. Yang et al) just had their first primary victory for a candidate who they endorsed. Jermaine Johnson worked on the Yang campaign and got funded by HF
https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/article243404636.html

This is part of the Local Leaders Project, which is roughly out of a playbook Karl Rove et al designed years ago and which Democrats have been slow to adopt... probably too slow with the 2020 census coming.
https://twitter.com/humanityforward/status/1260918534944800769