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/e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« on: September 20, 2018, 11:51:14 AM »
Leaving Apple & Google: /e/ first beta is here!
https://hackernoon.com/leaving-apple-google-e-first-beta-is-here-89e39f492c6f

You should also read the preceding articles in the series to get context.  They are moving fast on a lot of fronts.

This is moving fast and has some street cred since it is lead by the guy who developed Mandrake Linux.  Unlike other efforts at privacy, he understands that you can make a secure device and OS but that does little good if all the cloud services like Gmail leak.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 06:00:46 PM »
That looks pretty polished for an MVP.

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Like millions others, IíVE BECOME A PRODUCT OF GOOGLE.

I often ask myself, "how much would I pay to get rid of products that don't serve me ads or sell my data?" Chief among those would be Google. What I have not done is built a budget of what it would cost me to replace all those services.

I'm guessing that in straight monthly cost, it would be about $200-$300.

Of course, then there's the problem of the fact that most services you actually *pay* for are still bombarding you with ads and capturing tons of data and using it to target you better - Netflix and Amazon (according to today's headline in Le Monde, now the third biggest online ad market after G adn FB).

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 07:27:46 PM »
>polished

This is a guy not without contacts and resources. 

He's picked up a translator on the way, his first post you can tell English is a second language, althought he does well enough.

I'll be interested to see what the monthly charge is for the cloud services.  Still, I'll take a close look at anything that's not Google spyware or Apple moneyware.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 09:51:20 PM »
I've been wondering about replacements for some of these cloud services myself.  All the good free services are drying up or going pay.  I've been considering Fastmail.  I'd give quite a bit to be out from under Google.

If /e/ can pull this off I'm probably in.  I do expect Google to do it's passive aggressive backlash on this, like try to lock in app developers to only sell on Google Play.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 10:16:13 PM »
I've been considering Fastmail.

I feel like I've derailed your thread before it started... but Jake (as in baked) says he thinks it's superior to GMail and is happy to be shed of Google for his email (even though he's a huge fan of Google App Engine.

I have a some Google Voice numbers and there are lots of services that will replicate that for a reasonable price. There are two killer features that keep me with GVoice
 - the voice message to email
 - the texting to any device over the internet

Since there's no cell reception where I live, those are handy. I haven't looked in a few years, but I bet that's all replicated by someone now.  Last Ilooked, Ring Central was reasonably priced and offered many features Google Voice doesnt have and which I don't want and was missing the two features above that I do want.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 10:21:14 PM »
Actually, the other thing is that RingCentral didn't have local numbers for me.

They still don't, but now that I grabbed a number via Google, I could transfer it. And they do have internet texting and voicemail to email. So that's an option. $20/mo

So with those two services, I'm already at $30/mo for one account.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 11:20:16 PM »
This stuff adds up quick.  I'm hoping for a package deal.

Fastmail was recommended to me too.

The shame is I like Gmail, but I don't trust the ba#####s.

Anyway, what got me thinking about Fastmail is I have a Purism Librem 5 Linux phone on order (ETA Aprilish 2019), but you can have the most secure phone in the world but what good is it if you are still using Gmail, GCalendar, Dropbox, etc.?  That's a real problem.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2018, 05:52:36 PM »
The shame is I like Gmail, but I don't trust the ba#####s.

I am forced to use Outlook in one case and I choose to use Yahoo for another account. Every time I use those accounts, I am pained by how awful they are. Search on Outlook is abysmal. I spent 30 minutes finding an email in Outlook that would have popped up in under 30 seconds on GMail. And Yahoo is slow and cumbersome.

The simple fact is that Google does search very well and applies that intelligently to GMail. The thing is, I the tech required to intelligently search a small corpus like my personal email is readily available, so I would guess that any service that is not irreparably hidebound (aka Outlook) would now be indistinguishable on that score.

>>GCalendar

I don't feel like the calendar is that hard to get away from, but every worthwhile calendar is going to integrate with all sorts of things in the cloud. I have calendars imported and exported by .ical feeds and I just can't really even conceive of how I would secure those without adding a huge hassle to my life. So I don't every expect any level of security there.

>>Dropbox

I still have things on Dropbox and Google Drive, but I've mostly migrated to pCloud which offers lifetime accounts (whatever that means, but at least until they change their minds, I'm good) and full encryption. So right now, I have 2TB with encryption, which means I can backup all my personal data (i.e. not a disk image including apps and OS) with no problem. It's more bandwidth than space that's the issue (even places with decent downstream speeds often have horrid upstream).

I couldn't be happier with pCloud. In my opinion, it is superior to Dropbox, Google Drive or OneDrive. I can't think of one feature any of those has that is not equalled or improved by pCloud. For example, only OneDrive and pCloud have rate limiting settings, but pCloud does it better.

And, to bring it back around to your actual topic - pCloud has both GUI and CLI versions for Linux. Does anyone else offer a CLI version of a cloud storage app? Probably rarely used, but it tells you what their mindset is.
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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2018, 10:02:42 PM »
For cloud storage I think I have stuff all mixed up across box.com, dropbox, Google's cloud thing and microsofts cloud thing.  Maybe others.  It seems like whatever device or software you are using they want you to store stuff on their cloud service. 

As for /e/ I like that they mentioned refurbishers for hardware.  That might be the route to getting smartphones with the /e/ OS already installed, into early adopters hands the quickest and at a good price.  Smart thinking if they can work a deal.

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Re: /e/ the Android fork ecosystem for smartphones in 1st Beta
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2018, 02:15:51 PM »
2018 Roadmap

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October 2018: smartphones with /e/ OS start shipping to /e/ backers
January 2019: smartphones with /e/ OS start selling

Either this is new or I missed it the first time.  They intend to come out of beta around the first of the year.

These will be refurbished or pre-owned phones at first.  They are coming out with this fast.