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Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« on: July 01, 2019, 08:34:35 PM »
New Solar + Battery Price Crushes Fossil Fuels, Buries Nuclear

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/07/01/new-solar--battery-price-crushes-fossil-fuels-buries-nuclear/#73092c675971

Soon-ish?: Too cheap to meter.

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 11:44:54 AM »
Yes, asap. We need something positive on this front.

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 02:40:11 PM »
We could accelerate it a lot of we stopped subsidizing fossil fuels so heavily....

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The United States has spent more subsidizing fossil fuels in recent years than it has on defense spending, according to a new report from the International Monetary Fund.

The IMF found that direct and indirect subsidies for coal, oil and gas in the U.S. reached $649 billion in 2015. Pentagon spending that same year was $599 billion.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fossil-fuel-subsidies-pentagon-spending-imf-report-833035/

More recent, but without an obvious US number
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/17/18624740/fossil-fuel-subsidies-climate-imf

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 02:47:22 PM »
We have proven time and time again that we'll only change sources when its cheaper.

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2019, 03:03:59 PM »
We have proven time and time again that we'll only change sources when its cheaper.
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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2020, 04:37:24 PM »
<^>

Austria shuts down last coal-fired power plant

https://apnews.com/48fbd5c9cd8792e282a6e0b124f311dc

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2020, 11:24:46 PM »
That's great news, they've made improvements on solar before but only miniscule, though in energy production even a fraction of a percentage increase in efficiency is well worth it.

On another bright note, we have incredibly cheap energy on the way (80% cheaper), due to the work of Thane C. Heins. I've posted about it before, the lead engineer at the division of Philips that did testing said that on paper the effect tends toward infinity but on the bench it works within a small window of the variable scope.

I'm uploading a short video i did in 2012 demonstrating the basic effect, which violates the work-energy principle, i'll post a link when it's done.

Thane has continued his work and now has high amperage generator coils that result in regenerative acceleration, if you like Formula 1 and know what regenerative braking is then you'll know how revolutionary this is.

He has also improved upon the basic effect and the high inductance coils at high frequencies begin to behave like capacitors, storing energy in the electric field not just the copper wire.

Lenz's Law is used in Thane's configuration rather than being a hindrance.

I'm hoping it all goes public by the end of next year, you'll be amazed, and it's such a simple technique.


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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2020, 08:53:22 AM »
Here's my simple demo of regenerative acceleration.

A simple generator design is a round disc with embedded magnets, as this disc rotates the magnets pass over copper coils, this induces electric potential.
When you attach a load to the output of the generator, it's rotor speed drops and it's power consumption goes up in order to try and maintain the same speed.

With high inductance coils (coils of finer wire with many turns) the opposite behaviour is observed, when a load is attached to the output the rotor speed increases and the current draw drops.

This violates the work-energy principle in physics - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

There is even more to this technology but this is the basis of the effect and anyone can build it.


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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 01:01:41 PM »
Ooops, forgot to include link to video, i made it in 2012 so please excuse the low resolution, i was jobless then and had a crappy camera :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RviBQzjIX8A
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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2020, 01:53:22 PM »
Here's a description of exactly what's going on in detail, the simplicity of the solution is beautiful.

To explain the Heins effect firstly we should take a look at how electricity is generated using copper wire and magnets, like it's generated in wind turbines, car alternators, bicycle dynamos and the like.

In a standard generator configuration you have a disc that has magnets embedded in it, and you have a set of coils positioned in a circle underneath the disc in such a way that when the disc is rotated, the magnets pass over the coils with the centers of the magnets over the centers of the coils when they are in the same position.

When the magnet passes over the coil, electric potential is induced in the copper. Science has labels and can tell you how the electrons move etc but noone knows why this happens, just as noone knows why magnets attract and repel. Yes science will explain about 'domain alignment' but all they are doing is describing their observations. The full nature of electricity and magnetism isn't yet understood.

So we just have to accept that when we have something like copper or aluminium that can conduct electricity, and that conductor is in the presence of a magnetic field, when one of them is moving, electricity appears in the metal. We could rotate the copper coils or the magnets, as long as they are moving or changing with respect to one another, and they are in close proximity, electricity will be induced.

Now for some detail, let's examine a single magnet on our rotor in it's circular journey toward, passing over and then moving away from a copper coil.

Our magnet has it's North face pointing up and it's South face pointing down, toward the top of the coil of copper wire.

As this South pole starts to move across the copper coil, the electric potential induced in the copper coil gives rise to a magnetic field in the coil, the South pole of which is at the top of the coil (underneath the magnet). Since we have a South pole magnet above the South pole of a coil then they naturally repel each other, it's the force that is turning the rotor that overcomes this, that force being produced by gas, coal or whatever, keeps the rotor turning.

When the magnet is directly over the coil (the center of the magnet and the center of the coil are aligned) there is no attracting or repelling force, it's a kind of neutral zone.

When the magnet is moving out of the coil, the top of the coil becomes the North pole, which wants to naturally attract the South pole face of the magnet.

So on the way in, the coil wants to repel the magnet and stop it's incoming movement, and on the way out the coil wants to attract the magnet and stop it moving out.

The magnetic field that's induced in the coil is therefore called the counter electro-motive force (CEMF) because it is counter to, or in opposition of, the pole of the magnet that induced it. In America this is often called Back EMF, or BEMF.

This behaviour is known as Lenz's Law, which says that :

The direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field.

Now, this opposing magnetic field takes a certain amount of time to be created, or to 'rise', the proper physical term is the rise-time of the inductor (an inductor is just a coil of conducting wire such as copper or aluminium), how long it takes for the opposing magnetic field to be created.

Inductance is a measure of the ability of a coil to produce electricity, different coils have different inductance values, they can have more turns of wire, which increases inductance, or less turns of wire, which decreases it. Other factors such as the shape of the coil also effect the inductance value.

Inductance is measured in Henrys (named after Joseph Henry, the American scientist who discovered induction at roughly the same time as Michael Faraday in Britain) and is denoted by the letter L.

The formula to calculate the rise-time of an inductor is :

T = L/R

Where T is the time it takes for the opposing field to rise in seconds, L is our inductance in Henrys and R is the resistance of the coil in Ohms. If you don't know then resistance is a measure of how hard it is for electricity to flow through a conductor, thinner wires have higher resistance, thicker wires have less so allow more electricity to flow).

So if we have a coil with a resistance of 200 Ohms and an inductance of 2 Henrys then :

T = L/R
T = 2/200
T = 0.01

So in this case it would take 0.01 seconds, or 10 milliseconds (ms) for the opposing field to rise.

But what if we increased our inductance, say we increased it to 3 Henrys :

T = L/R
T = 3/200
T = 0.015

So in this case, with our increased inductance, the formula tells us that the rise time has now increased to 15ms, we have delayed it a little.

What if we increase just the resistance in our first case (thinner wire or just longer wire) to, say 300 :

T = L/R
T = 3/200
T = 0.005

Now we have 5ms for the rise-time.

So we can see that as our inductance value increases, the time it takes for the opposing magnetic field to rise also increases. We can delay the rise-time or accelerate it.

So why is this interesting, how can we exploit this behaviour ?

What if we could construct a coil that delayed the rise-time enough so that the opposing magnetic field (or CEMF) rose too late to oppose our incoming magnet? It would also rise too late to attract our outgoing magnet. Anything that helps our rotor spin more easily means cheaper electricity generation.

Of course it's not all just about the coil, it's about the speed the magnets are travelling at (remember they are embedded into a rotating disc), if we have the rotor spinning at a certain speed and a coil (inductor) that delays the rise-time for a certain period of time, we can construct a generator that delays the rise-time just enough so that, when the magnet is incoming, the opposing magnetic field rises just when the magnet's center is nearing the coils center (but before it's at top dead center (TDC), so we still have 2 South poles and aren't in the neutral zone yet), this means that the South pole of the coil doesn't push away at the incoming magnet, but helps the magnet on it's way to TDC. It also means that we delay the rise of the North pole in the coil when the magnet has passed TDC and is on the way out, so the North pole of the coil doesn't get a chance to pull the magnet in when it's on the way out of the coil.

In short, we've used Lenz's Law to negate it's undesirable effects and more than that, to actually accelerate the movement of the magnet.

Now that we are getting this free acceleration, we need less power to drive the rotor, so our input current goes down, and our magnet is experiencing no drag, so the rotor turns faster.
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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2020, 07:42:14 PM »
Not an expert but - the conservation of energy? There is no free lunch. Once you start acquiring 'free' energy you're violating the laws of thermodynamics and causality. Love the work of Maxwell, Boltzmann, but if you're getting anything 'perpetual' it's violating a fundamental law. Never seen any headlines about that.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2020, 11:05:08 PM »
I'm not an expert either, lots of time spent with motors so i love this tech since it requires very little change to existing infrastructure, just wind your coils differently :)

I know it sounds crazy to discuss something that contravenes known laws, i feel like a grandiose idiot just beginning that sentence, but you can see by the standard induction maths, T=L/R, that the induction controls the rise-time (and the speed of the rotor and the number of magnets embedded in it come in to play too), so we have control of exactly when the peak (the exact value is something like 5 time constants to reach 60 something percent of maximum) arises, it's like telling someone not to push against you on the roundabout but push with you, it's that simple.
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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 11:30:27 PM »
The inventor explains it here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huQFingZ2V8

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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2020, 09:10:03 AM »
This Idea has been about for some years, a mates Dad went off to Europe to see some inventor, I forget the details.  Might even be your chap.  He did a number of shows, and had a motor running in a sealed box. If its that good, why is it sealed, what was there to hide?

The trouble I have, is that yes, it breaks well know laws, that I learned at School, and then at University.  Those laws have served me well in life, so it is difficult now to let them go.  And that promise of a free lunch. It never happens, so even if it can be made to work, what is the cost?

There will be one.

My mate Pete, and his Dad, are both conspiracy theorists. I have had endless bike rides discussing the moon landing etc. So they love stuff like this.

I am afraid I just do not have faith in it.  :P


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Re: Goodnight #naturalgas, goodnight #coal, goodnight #nuclear
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2020, 10:56:28 AM »
This Idea has been about for some years, a mates Dad went off to Europe to see some inventor, I forget the details.  Might even be your chap.  He did a number of shows, and had a motor running in a sealed box. If its that good, why is it sealed, what was there to hide?

The trouble I have, is that yes, it breaks well know laws, that I learned at School, and then at University.  Those laws have served me well in life, so it is difficult now to let them go.  And that promise of a free lunch. It never happens, so even if it can be made to work, what is the cost?

There will be one.

My mate Pete, and his Dad, are both conspiracy theorists. I have had endless bike rides discussing the moon landing etc. So they love stuff like this.

I am afraid I just do not have faith in it.  :P


I would rather put my money into cheap solar... if I had any !!

You've seern the maths, standard induction maths, you've seen it work in my video if you watched that, i've held it in my hand, it works.

He has 3 US patents and more on the way in Canada.

No need for faith, it works.
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