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Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« on: November 20, 2018, 02:49:02 PM »
If true, this is scary.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/9yl94k/never_connect_to_protonmail_using_chrome/

It's not really about ProtonMail, but it is about Chrome, if true.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2018, 04:55:34 PM »
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world's largest data-mining company

Hhh, true.


My Chrome bristles with privacy extensions -particularly Scriptsafe (which nukes G analytics, for example).  I know some still gets through, but I wonder how much.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 05:55:50 PM »
>>how much?

That's the rub.  I would find a Chromium based browser by somebody more trustworthy and see if all the same extensions work and try that.   There are a bunch out there and there has to be a descent alternative. 

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2018, 06:20:45 PM »
Well, here's the thing ..I live in an ad-free world online and I'm OK with what leaks until I see/uncover some nefarious influencing or manipulation of my chosen content or product pricing. I kill ALL the cookies Privacy Badger digs up --currently allowing less than 25 out of 3800+.  Other than what sites I choose to view naked ladies, I suspect VISA and Amazon each have profiles on file that would equal Big G's. I don't use vpns, so Time Warner knows where I've been, including the naked lady sites.  If VISA, AMAZON, & TimeWarner have done a data swap, then -well, crap- they know pretty much everything.

Do not take this as a What's-The-Big-Deal post, as I'm very concerned, but I'm ok-ish with what I let them see because I'm aware, silo-ing, and occasionally self-restrained about what goes online.  I do not bank online, for instance. Nor do I casually buy on strange shopping carts, even when it's more convenient. Content on my gmail is purposely benign, and never includes data regarding the extended family. 

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2018, 06:53:58 PM »
What I found astounding is the mass migration from Firefox to Chrome. How did that happen? Some story that Chrome was faster and more memory efficient I'd assume.

Perhaps it was, but there must've been a concerted effort to push that message, from Google itself.

The alternatives are there, sitting ready to be used. I don't know of a big enough reason to switch from firefox to chrome.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2018, 06:57:59 PM »
The first Apple computers I saw in the flesh were in boxes piled up at schools, waiting to be installed.

>How

2 words, imo: Androids & Chromebooks

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2018, 07:05:40 PM »
Even the desktop share for Firefox has been decimated, but understandable that familiarity would be a reason

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2018, 09:00:50 PM »
This Windows laptop came with Chrome installed.  G must have paid off Asus.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2018, 09:43:51 PM »
FTFY: the desktop dinosaur share. 

What was it? Something like 60% of internet screen time is on phones.  We dinosaurs may be sticking to our laptops, but -anecdotally- I'm seeing everyone else shift to phones and ipads. Louise never opens a desktop other than Quickbooks or to access a site that sucks on mobile.

>schools

Google has been providing free class-management apps & software to teachers and school admins for a decade now.  The chromebook was built for that ecosystem and they started the shift to the general public a couple of years ago. Cheap, fast, and all Google ...whom they adore.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 04:48:36 AM »
What I found astounding is the mass migration from Firefox to Chrome. How did that happen?

In my case, it was because Firefox crashed constantly. IE was clunky and I never liked Opera, though I tried a few times to make it my browser and like it.

So I finally just gave into the Gorg and started using Chrome because it actually worked. Ironically, the only place I've ever had trouble, and almost made the switch back to FF because if it, was using Google's own sites, where I generally found FF less likely to crash or hang.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 09:35:49 AM »
>> My Chrome bristles with privacy extensions

That can read all your pages I suspect.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 11:05:20 AM »
I use FF on all my Android devices.  I've been happy with it.  On the laptops (Mac, Win, Linux), I use Vivaldi which uses most Chrome extensions.  I'm currently using Privacy Possum.  FF is my backup browser. 


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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2018, 02:01:40 PM »
>That can read all your pages I suspect.

You know me, I assume the worst.

>android

Keep in mind that I simply do not use my phone very much.  I keep it for sms & phone --which are *extremely* limited, both incoming and outgoing.  The chromebook, otoh, I am more wary about --yes, it runs the chrome extensions but the whole damn OS is phoning home.

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2018, 03:03:20 PM »
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I happen to use an extension as part of my massive newsfeed-handling setup that *may* offer some anti-tracking trickery.  I CAN tell you that it overloads my history to the point of being useless for me, takes forever to search. Mentioned here:

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I'm thinking more along the lines of a DOS-attack defense.  Or at least some obfuscation by providing so much data that it clouds their viewport.

In the movie Air Force One, there is a scene where the plane releases metal confetti to mess with tracking. That image keeps coming to mind.

My browser history is already significantly off-center because I happen to use the G Chrome "Mark All As Read" extension

It adds all link anchors to Chrome's history to ensure that. While that turns all links into visited links, it means that all links on the page end up in Chrome's browsing history.

http://th3core.com/talk/members-only/debbie-does-not-think-that-vpns-will-be-the-answer-to-your-privacy-concerns/msg48282/#msg48282

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Re: Is Chrome worse than we thought for privacy?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2018, 04:28:21 PM »
>android

I should add, I ditched all my social network apps on Android and only access through FF.  I just put FF shortcuts on my screen.  I actually like using the mobile sites for FB and Twitter better than the apps, bonus: less tracking and blissfully, no notifications.