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« on: January 23, 2014, 06:35:17 PM »

2011:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/

2014:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/08/260854919/solar-flare-will-hit-earth-thursday-northern-lights-may-expand-south

I'm trying not to appear to be a survivalist hunkering down in his Arizona bunker. But if when a flare comes like the Carrington Event again, it'll devastate the grid, not just electronics and communications. Search on "hardened grids" and you'll see we don't have many.

So, without readily-available-at-your-doorstep electricity for weeks or months, how do you think the great urban masses will fare?  Not too well, I'm thinking.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 11:58:02 PM »

We were without power for a week in 2011 in the winter and 3 days without power in the summer in 2009. It was no party.

The thing that most people in a city don't realize is that only so much water has been pumped up to where it can be gravity fed. When the power goes out and you drain your uphill reservoir, the water stops running, and that's when the power outage starts to get really unpleasant. At some point the diesel backup generators for the phone system go out too, and then it gets lonely.

People who live in the country with a well, a septic system and a lot more DIY infrastructure have mostly experienced this, but few people in a city have.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 11:47:10 AM »

I only recently had a conversation about the electric and if it went off with the misses.
She turns around and said at least we will be warm as we have gas central heating system, to which I replied so what controls it?

When you think about it, it's crazy how much we rely on electric
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 01:27:43 PM »

have to admit we have a general mid term plan to be able to be off grid if necessary - we have a multifuel stove as well as central heating, use gas as well as electric (electric ignition but you can get around that) and solar panels although no battery storage yet. plus a generator which we could use if necessary - but its by no means perfect - unless we had prior warning and could stockpile diesel for the generator not sure how we'd be pumping it with no power to the petrol station! We have plenty of water in the butts but not really drinking quality - I guess we could rig something on boiling it and could gather it fresh for drinking as long as we had some rain.

Our thoughts are really that we have about 10 power cuts a year where we are - often for a day at a time - if we go properly rural it becomes more likely and we want to be able to cope with that. I'm not sure we'd ever go the full prepper route and be ready for total anarchy, although it's sort of interesting thinking the options through

It does slightly scare me that I know people in their 40's who can't do a basic fix on anything ... the hysteria in the UK over Christmas when people lost power was a real eye opener over how bad things could get if the sh## ever really hits the fan!
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 01:38:59 PM »

When the exposed grid is fried by an EMP, the wires distributing electricity from our generating sources are physically damaged, insulation burns away, shorts happen, transformers die.  It will take literally months or years, even mobilizing every man and robot we have available, to rebuild. There will be no "quickly stringing a cord" to flow a couple of megawatts into the cities.  Within days, maybe hours, it will become apparent that the government will not be able to restore power quickly.  All cellphones are out. All satellites are gone.  Even many cars & trucks are disabled. Mass transit is shut down. Elevators stopped. No way to respond to fires.

http://www.intelligentutility.com/magazine/article/300329/sandy-and-smart-grid-who-won
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 02:11:57 PM »

A lot of the stuff RC mentions, I can't really prepare for but I have tried to to do some things like Gurtie has done.

Stockpiled a supply of propane cylinders and a propane camp heater and stove.

If gasoline becomes scarce I have a scooter that gets 90 mpg to go to stores.

Last year I bought a couple of dehydrated food emergency tubs from Costco.

I've thought about a generator but I doubt it would survive the emp.  Still its on the list.

I'd like to put a wood pellet stove in the basement.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 02:20:43 PM »

<added>

Roscoe Bartlett:

- A science career that saw him go through IBM in its start-up years and the U.S. Navy as an engineer
- Past Director of the Space Life Sciences research group at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
- 20 yrs in US Congress, now retired
- Senior consultant for Lineage Technologies, a cybersecurity group that seeks to protect supply chains

Read this article. See what he's doing in his retirement years:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/roscoe-bartlett-congressman-off-the-grid-101720_full.html
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 03:03:33 PM »

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>water

Gurtie, get one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Vestergaard-Frandsen-527950-LifeStraw-Personal-Filter/dp/B006QF3TW4/
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 03:27:13 PM »

Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought...
That's me!

Bigger & better:
Plushttp://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Vario-Multi-Water-Microfilter/dp/B000KUVVY4/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1390577023&sr=1-3&keywords=Water+Filter

with extra filters.

4 tubs of Costco FOOD

Here in North Carolina people tend to cook with electric stoves.
We installed gas when we moved in.
50 Gallon tank last a year+
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 03:40:57 PM »

You live within minutes (but on the better side -Durham, otoh, would go full Mad Max in days) of an urban area that is woefully unprepared.  I suggest you make friends with that arms dealer that lives behind you.  (Only sorta joking.)

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Clarification: about the arms part. NOT joking about Durham.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2014, 03:49:46 PM »

>water

SODIS works for long-term.

http://www.sodis.ch/methode/index_EN
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 04:10:19 PM »

We are 36 miles from Durham.

Arms dealer lives across the street.
Next door is the guy flying the DON'T TREAD ON ME FLAG.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 05:01:31 PM »

>friends

Its too late when TSHTF.  Every good southerner has at least a shotgun in the pickup truck house, plus maybe a few more for the cousins when they visit.  Stock up on buck shot and beer.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 05:23:25 PM »

We're scaring (or should that be scarring) Gurtie and, IMHO, she's the best hope for UK survival. Sexyboy ain't got a chance.

Seriously, prepare for whatever 3-weeks-wihout-power scenario that fits your conscience. Stretching from there isn't too hard.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 05:35:27 PM »

>Gurtie

Stockpile Cup O Noodles!
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