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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #225 on: December 07, 2022, 05:35:28 PM »
I think this is still shaking out as corps are lately starting to demand people come back. I sure wouldn't want to own a pure high end office space right now though.

>So, convert it to residential space? Seems like that would solve multiple problems.

If this is the same article I read, they touched on the structures not being good layouts for residential requiring too much upfit to repurpose and they're also often in bad neighborhoods and/or with no community.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #226 on: December 08, 2022, 04:45:57 AM »
>> not being good layouts for residential

I read that the big problem is the often sprawling, square design of the classic office block where only the elites get offices with windows and a lot of the space is deep inside - too much of the space is too far from windows to be either nice to live in or to meet codes for fire egress and health.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #227 on: December 08, 2022, 03:32:21 PM »
>fire egress

yep, and modern US homes now tend to have a lot of plumbing.  Retrofitting wiring and pressure water pipes might be do-able but DWV -drain/waste/vent- would be incredibly expensive.

Residential water supply pressures gets to be problematic when you get above a few stories high.

And then there's the issue with the power requirements for individualized water heating & HVAC.

And how are you going to meter utilities?

No, tear them down. 

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #228 on: December 17, 2022, 05:05:40 PM »
What Comes Next for the Most Empty Downtown in America - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/17/business/economy/california-san-francisco-empty-downtown.html

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #229 on: December 19, 2022, 01:21:43 AM »
Most Empty Downtown

Hmm... When our 18yo niece and her friend visited, we took them around SF for a couple of days. Seemed busy and dynamic. If there had been any more cars, it would have been impossible to park.

I read the numbers, and I believe them. But is commercial occupancy being down the same as "empty" or "deserted" (both words the author uses)? Maybe the pre-pandemic levels were "overcrowded" and "unmanageable."

I don't know. There's only so much I can say from a two-day visit and since I've never been a regular visitor even when I lived in Berkeley (because it was too damn crowded) maybe I'm just way off.

Littleman? What's the report from the ground?

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #231 on: September 10, 2023, 08:15:03 PM »
>Littleman? What's the report from the ground?

I am several months late (missed this last time), but I can tell you that returning to the office seems to be in full swing now.  The traffic is approaching to pre-pandemic numbers.  I'm not in SF proper, but the office buildings Peninsula seems to be getting  occupied again.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #232 on: September 10, 2023, 08:32:58 PM »
So, convert it to residential space?

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/office-space/

"Cities can encourage more conversions with things like tax breaks and new zoning rules and governments just spending public money to make these conversions happen."

They absolutely should incentivize conversions to keep downtowns alive and thriving.