Author Topic: The changed future after CV-19 (Read 123889 times)

ergophobe · « **Reply #60 on:** March 31, 2020, 05:39:22 PM »

I think Seth is more insightful than any of the people Politico interviewed, though still a fair bit of wishful thinking. But unlike the other ones, his wishful thinking seems like it *could* happen. Most of the Politico interviews struck me often as predicting not just something that won't happen, but the opposite of what I think will happen (many of them espouse some form of renewed faith in government; I see the opposite).

https://seths.blog/2020/03/genc/

BTW - one thing that has changed for me is trust in government. When Trump came to office and immediately set about scrubbing scientific data from government websites, my faith in government sources fell dramatically. But this crisis has put me in a position where I do not even *consult* government sources anymore and just assume they are being completely massaged and manipulated for political purposes to a degree we have never seen before. I treat them more like the characters in 1984 treat government sources.

No president has done so much damage to the credibility of government since Johnson's and Nixon's lies about Vietnam. As we saw after Vietnam and Watergate, it's largely a one-way street. The ratcheting down is rapid and the ratcheting back up is very slow. Johnson and Nixon killed the *political* credibility of the president forever. Trump has killed the scientific credibility of the government. Incredibly sad.

rcjordan · « **Reply #61 on:** March 31, 2020, 06:05:18 PM »

>trust in government

“We’re no longer taking the advice of the CDC and the World Health Organization,” Metropolitan Transportation Authority chairman Pat Foye said on MSNBC Tuesday.

MTA boss flouts CDC coronavirus guidance, gets workers masks - New York Daily News
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-mta-chairman-pat-foye-cdc-20200331-5qseo27gtjdixbsy2vvjcsvkuq-story.html

buckworks · « **Reply #62 on:** March 31, 2020, 06:31:06 PM »

>> one thing that has changed for me is trust in government

Me too, although it's not as bad for Canadians.

Brad · « **Reply #63 on:** March 31, 2020, 08:24:34 PM »

Nobody, I know is following the Feds. We're all looking to our Governor for direction, and he's been pretty good. He's a Republican but not a flat-earther.

littleman · « **Reply #64 on:** March 31, 2020, 10:04:54 PM »

I have little faith in the federal government under this administration, I can't believe any thinking person would at this point. The states have been a mixture, I am glad I live in California rather than Florida right now, but I don't think California acted soon enough. Even the local Bay Area health ministers (who were the first in the nation to do stay at home) acted too late. I honestly trust the judgement of the Core much more.

Right now governments are pretty universally discouraging stockpiling food, but we think we're going to run into supply chain issues in the next couple of months. Up until recently most Western governments said masks are pointless, but we've sighted lots of evidence that wearing them slows/decreases the spread. I think I'll keep evaluating evidence for myself and listening to smart people instead of seeking leadership.

(I just got another 80 lbs of dry goods today)

buckworks · « **Reply #65 on:** March 31, 2020, 10:39:16 PM »

>> discouraging stockpiling food

Up to a point, stockpiling food and practical supplies makes good sense for the individual household. It can get difficult for the broader society if people do it stupidly, though; shopping carts full of TP and no food! The mission needs a more balanced approach.

In general, don't buy a huge supply of something all at once. Buy some extra, yes, but accumulate gradually so there's still something on the shelf for the next person. Also, aim to keep the supplies in your pantry in the proportions you'd actually use. 100 pounds of dried peas would have more value if you also acquire the other ingredients you'd need to make good soup!

littleman · « **Reply #66 on:** March 31, 2020, 10:48:55 PM »

I totally agree. We bought another oatmeal, various packages of beans and lentils, 20lbs of flour, and four different types of bulk rice. We went to an Asian grocery chain and they literally had pallets of rice in the front of the store -- so we weren't hogging. We also bought another bag of potatoes and some squash. This is obviously more than we would buy normally, but we are also going to the store a lot less. We wore gloves and face masks, and I have to say that the chain has it down for social distancing.

ergophobe · « **Reply #67 on:** March 31, 2020, 10:56:52 PM »

>>Nobody, I know is following the Feds.

What really struck me is that when I do web searches, I used to think that .gov sites would be reliable sources for science. I started noticing that in March, if I saw a .gov site, I didn't click the link. That's new for me and very sad if you consider all the amazing science that government scientists have done and are doing (I have friends who are talented and dedicated govt scientists).

>>stockpiling

I think Buckworks approach to stockpiling food is the best I know. I don't want to put words in your mouth (or fingers) Elizabeth, but what I have taken away from you and tried to implement

1. Keep two months of food on hand as well as medicine, hand tools, etc.
2. Stock up before there's an emergency

I like the idea that it isn't a "screw the world and hunker down" approach, but a "be ready for a rainy day" approach, which suits my temperament much better.

That said, I think Littleman is right. Farmers in the US are saying that closing the borders will affect the harvest of early crops. I don't think we will run out calories - there are huge stores of corn and soybeans. But even there, getting those from silos into little bags that get sold in the grocery store could get interrupted.

It also shocks me how many people don't even have a two-day emergency supply of water!

rcjordan · « **Reply #68 on:** April 01, 2020, 05:58:25 PM »

Coronavirus will be ‘imprinted on the personality of our nation for a very long time,’ Fauci warns
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/01/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-159158

Mackin USA · « **Reply #69 on:** April 02, 2020, 10:20:16 AM »

China Puts County On Lockdown After New Corona Cluster Emerges

Having lied for the past two months about the severity and the extent of coronavirus pandemic which its virologists started in Wuhan, eager to convey the message that the crisis "under control" just so people return to work, full of hope and enthusiasm, rejoicing at the surge in China's just as fabricated PMI numbers, and willing to work their asses off (with Beijing generously willing to risk everyone's lives as the alternative is a complete collapse in China's economy) earlier today the US finally cracked down on the relentless barrage of Chinese lies, when US intelligence accused China of deliberately lying about its coronavirus figures.

Then, in a miraculous coincidence, just moments later Reuters reported that a county in central China's Henan province announced on Wednesday it had "virtually banned all outbound movement of people, following several cases of coronavirus infection in the area."

According to a post on its social media account, Jia county - which has a population of about 600,000 - said that no one can travel out of Jia county without proper authorization. Additionally, residents are not allowed to leave their homes for work unless they have clearance to do so.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-we-go-again-china-puts-entire-county-lockdown-after-new-corona-cluster-emerges

nffc · « **Reply #70 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:57:47 PM »

I think we will reassess what fit and healthy really is.

rcjordan · « **Reply #71 on:** April 02, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »

>healthy

Well, one thing for sure, we won't have as many restaurants feeding us unhealthy food.

rcjordan · « **Reply #72 on:** April 03, 2020, 03:02:31 PM »

How Epidemics of the Past Changed the Way Americans Lived | History | Smithsonian Magazine
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-epidemics-past-forced-americans-promote-health-ended-up-improving-life-this-country-180974555/
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Poll: Almost one in four small businesses are two months or less away from closing permanently | TheHill
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/490957-poll-one-in-four-small-businesses-are-two-months-or

Debbie says that's too low, more like 1/3rd. And probably 1/2+ of small hospitality-related businesses.

rcjordan · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2020, 03:09:59 PM »

Telemedicine Arrives in the U.K.: ‘10 Years of Change in One Week’ - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/telemedicine-uk-coronavirus.html

Brad · « **Reply #74 on:** April 04, 2020, 06:58:49 PM »

I wonder if local plumbers are starting to stock bidet add on kits?

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