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Why We Are Here => Hardware & Technology => Topic started by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 04:44:19 PM

Title: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
I'm going in.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Mackin USA on July 29, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
You are a Brave MF
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Brad on July 29, 2015, 06:08:08 PM
Camera set to video. Go.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on July 29, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
Hell ya, you first.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Did a custom install, turned almost everything off.  Chrome seemed slow, so I went to the Start/Windows icon in the taskbar and found the active app section called "Life at a glance" and killed almost everthing, most of it MS bloatware. For the few I kept, I killed the live tile feature.  Speed seems OK now, maybe a tad slow.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
There is now some sort of MS map program in the default apps for offline map viewing. I dug around and turned off automatic updates.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on July 29, 2015, 09:52:53 PM
What hardware you running it on?

Would also love to know of anyone doing upgrade path with a heavy setup.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 10:13:35 PM
Cortana is baked in.  You can't uninstall but you can turn it off. Done.  Looking at OneDrive next.

>hardware

Nothing special, but very light on peripheral devices -just 3; usb monitor, keyboard, & trackball.
Lenovo media server.  Celeron 1.6ghz, 4g ram
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 29, 2015, 10:41:15 PM
Settings > Personalization > Start will allow you to enable or disable a few key features. I nuked “Show most used apps” and “Show recently added apps”. It also allows you to add folders you want to directly access, I added Documents and Photos.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 30, 2015, 01:32:01 AM
Slower to cold boot than W8.1 and waaaay slower to shut down
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: jetboy on July 30, 2015, 10:05:05 AM
Got my installer. Going to try it on a Dell Inspiron 9300 notebook first, which has just had its 10th birthday, and is still in use.

I figure I can't stay on Windows 7 forever.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on July 30, 2015, 12:38:15 PM
Yeah I have w win7 notebook for a first victim, too. Just need to take the time.

Read some reports about audio problems, and some apps being removed on upgrade.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 30, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
Didn't MS cut cpu use way back on W7-8 to counter complaints about Vista being a hog?  It feels like they are trying to slip back into something heavier now.  Just a feeling, no real data to back it up, but some of these old machines might groan under the load.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Mackin USA on July 30, 2015, 01:05:55 PM
The operating system has been described by Microsoft's chief executive, Satya Nadella as a "Windows as a service" with improvements to be rolled out as they become available, rather than working towards a specific upgrade at a future date.

We asked you to give Windows 10 a mark out of 10 (10 being the best). Here are some of your marks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33705500?ocid=socialflow_facebook
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 30, 2015, 01:24:30 PM
>marks

The average user will install it and love it ...for a few days. You can't trust those dumbasses. So far, I'd rate it a 7-8, but look how much I've gutted it.  I was fine with a filleted 8.1, too.


>service

What's that we say here?  "The power is in the defaults."  I fully expect MS to try some of the xbox subscription service type stuff. That's why this upgrade is free.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on July 30, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
btw:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/windows-10-automatically-grants-home-wi-fi-network-access-to-your-outlook-and-skype-contacts-072915.html

> I full expect MS to try some of the xbox subscription service type stuff. That's why this upgrade is free.

yep, waiting to see the real cost/expense show its head.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Brad on July 30, 2015, 01:48:28 PM
>>cost/expense

Minor but annoying.  $10 to get rid of video ads on free solitaire.
http://news.yahoo.com/windows-10-free-solitaire-wants-123725945.html;_ylt=AwrC2Q5cKrpVGEcANyzQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

I think I'll keep Win 7 on my bunker machine and upgrade to Linux when forced.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 30, 2015, 04:33:29 PM
Windows 10: The first 5 things you need to do immediately after you install it

http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/windows-10-upgrade-installation-settings/

Take a look at scheduling updates. The path is
Settings > Updates & Security > Windows Update >Advanced Options

While there,

> Choose how updates are delivered.
I turned off "Updates from more than one place" --hopefully forcing MS-only delivery.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on July 30, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BsLARf3.jpg
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: BoL on July 30, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
They're Googlesque in their info gathering aren't they.

RE: contacts, they already have access to Twitter/FB contacts/account IDs when you email an @outlook or @hotmail account, you see them in the right pane.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: jetboy on July 31, 2015, 08:32:32 AM
It's a bit like when the BBC make a big deal about redesigning their website, and you find out they've only changed the homepage. Dig a little deeper and there are some pages with five year old creative on them. Windows 10 feel like that; some thrown together hybrid of new and old.

Was Windows 8(.1) like this?
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: JasonD on July 31, 2015, 11:03:10 AM
> Googlesque

It's the only way they'll have the slightest chance of success with Bing.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 31, 2015, 11:11:10 AM
>Was Windows 8(.1) like this?

Yeah.  From the UI standpoint, it really didn't take many tweaks (the 8.1 UI fixes, boot to desktop, mainly) to make 8.1 like XP with some (useless, smartphone-ish) eyecandy.

>Bing

Yes, Bing is *really* embedded in this one.  Watch your logs.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 31, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
<added>

>embedded

Heh! First article in my reader this morning;

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2955298/web-browsers/microsoft-firefox-windows-10-mozilla-fight-itbwcw.html
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 31, 2015, 12:08:44 PM
Microsoft is using customers' bandwidth to deliver Windows updates

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-using-customersbandwidth-to-deliver-windows-updates
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on July 31, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do – here’s how to opt out

http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 01, 2015, 11:38:27 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3f38ed/guide_how_to_disable_data_logging_in_w10/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 12, 2015, 12:16:07 AM
 search only your local files (nuking Cortana/Bing)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2966128/windows/how-to-disable-bing-web-results-in-windows-10s-search.html
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: jetboy on September 09, 2015, 03:56:27 PM
I have all three PCs I use regularly on Windows 10 now. I've had no problems with drivers or older software (Winamp, Nero Burning ROM 8) running. I'm starting to think Windows 7 looks a bit antiquated now. If anything, Windows 10 runs a little faster for me.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on September 27, 2015, 05:33:28 PM
I bought a small ultrabook for client meetings, immediately upgraded to win10. After all driver updates this is a really nice machine:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Acer-Aspire-R-13-R7-371T-59ZK-Signature-Edition-2-in-1-PC/productID.314143300

So I've played with Win10 a few days now and have to admit I'm impressed, I guess I still have that tattoo. Slick though, reminds me of moving to XP and 7. I'll be upgrading my other machines for sure.

Still maddening though that they have figured out to have an option to pop the virtual keyboard when you hit a text input using the touchscreen in desktop mode.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on October 28, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
ok, so win10 works great on the new touchscreen laptop.

On an older laptop running win7, it is actual dogshit.

I can't get antimalware and whatever the f### else is going on to stop long enough to get decent control of it to do anything.

Taking control away from us for updates, antimalware and whatever else is dumb as hell, I might as well be using an apple product (shoot me.)
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 10, 2016, 09:28:53 PM
W10 Anniversary Update manually loaded from MS website.  This ain't an update, it's a new install.  Takes a little over an hour. 

You'll need to turn off everything again using Custom and delete Edge & Store from your taskbar.  Other than some bloatware apps like Sports and Weather reappearing, I don't see any live tiles, ads, etc. on Start.  Desktop is as I had it prior to invoking the update.  So far, so good.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 11, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
Others are reporting problems

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104999/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-woes-continue.html
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 11, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
Hold off. This update nuked my drivers for my usb monitor.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on August 11, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
So this is not a forced update? I've not had anything change or prompt, but I did nuke just about everything with O&O Shutup.

btw, the above mentioned older laptop running win7 that didn't do so well in Oct is running fine now. We rolled back and retried right before the deadline and it's been smooth sailing. All our win machines are now 10.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 11, 2016, 05:42:45 PM
> forced update?

It's my understanding that it WILL be forced, but I went ahead and pulled it manually.

I should note that everything OTHER THAN my usb monitor's drivers seem to be OK.  But my problem *may* be indicative of driver problems in general.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on August 11, 2016, 05:51:41 PM
My main machine had a graphics driver conflict that was weird...I eventually could get a good boot if I disabled and re-enabled the add-in video card in device manager.

Ended up just trying another card, twice. First one wouldn't post, I think it didn't like the newer pci-e version. The second one worked (older pci-e), I was about to roll back to 7.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on August 20, 2016, 01:08:34 PM
looks like usb bus problems caused by something called the 'frame server'

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/windows-10-anniversary-update-breaks-most-webcams/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on October 01, 2016, 02:59:34 PM
OK, my laptop got the Anniversary Update yesterday.  So far, no problems, though i did NOT want to allow G Chrome as the default browser.  Also, go through your settings again -particularly Cortana and app permissions.  A lot of switches were set to 'On' again. And there are some new switches as well --also set to 'On,' of course.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Rupert on October 02, 2016, 07:15:01 AM
Re run Shutup Windows 10.  not to clear on what changed, as I did not make notes, but thx for the heads up. 
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on October 02, 2016, 11:30:28 AM
MS put in a tricky UI in the 'Settings' --the left column hides the scroll bar unless you mouseover.  This, in turn, keeps some of the Privacy settings buried.

Go to Settings > Privacy >Left Col, very bottom > Background apps

and turn off a bunch of their crapware
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on January 20, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
[time warp]

W10 update is apparently installing a small pop-up over the G Chrome icon in the taskbar. It's not on my machines yet.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/19/windows-10-is-spamming-chrome-users-with-a-microsoft-shopping-ap/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Rupert on January 21, 2017, 06:41:35 AM
This morning on the screen saver, there was a lovely picture. I thought "wheres that?" and went to click on the usual spot where I shows you where it came from.   

The link took me to the store.

Here we go. Linux soon.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on January 21, 2017, 02:07:08 PM
>Here we go. Linux soon.

Sit on your hands and wait. I expect registry mods will be all over the web within days of this going mainstream.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2017, 12:56:56 AM
New W10 version will have ads in File Explorer. Here's how to preemptively turn them off., supposedly.

Launch File Explorer and the click View > Options > Change folder and search options.

In the Folder Options dialog that pops up, select the View tab.

In the Advanced Settings box, scroll down and uncheck the option labeled “Show sync provider notifications.” Hit OK.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: ergophobe on March 19, 2017, 05:56:59 PM
"Windows 10 will push some updates over limited data plans"

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Microsoft has confirmed that the new version of Windows will automatically download updates "required to keep Windows running smoothly" even when you're on a metered connection

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/19/windows-10-to-push-key-updates-on-limited-data-plans/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: gm66 on March 29, 2017, 11:38:44 AM
I may have to install it for directx 12 but i'm waiting as long as i can.

cjs-cdkeys are now selling W10 for £12.

W10 has lots of privacy concerns since it's a hybrid desktop/cloud OS, so switch all the crap off :

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-secure-windows-10-the-paranoids-guide/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on September 16, 2017, 03:33:46 PM
According to the splash screen, I just received the Creators Update.  A couple of icons appeared in the taskbar but were easily unpinned. So far, I've not seen any changes in my desktop or file explorer. 

Initial boot seems slower, but not by much.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on September 16, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
I am still locked down. Hell hath no fury like a drastic with an uninvited PC reboot.

Let us know how you like it.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on September 16, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
>uninvited

IIRC they've eased up on that already after the pitchforks got close to their homestead. I get pop-ups now asking if Now, Later, or Snooze.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on December 07, 2017, 01:02:07 AM
According to the spammy splash page, I just updated to the Fall Creators version.  I did NOT connect my android phone to the pc using MS's new service and ignored all the other new features.  The splash page worried me, but -so far- it hasn't crept onto my desktop though one new icon for "people" had to be deleted from the task bar.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: Drastic on December 07, 2017, 01:10:56 AM
>IIRC they've eased up on that already after the pitchforks got close to their homestead. I get pop-ups now asking if Now, Later, or Snooze.

Just now seeing this. It's about damn time. I think I would have switched OS if I could have when all this went down.

That stuff aside, this has been a pretty good experience so far. And that's with several workstations.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on December 07, 2017, 01:19:18 AM
>been a pretty good experience so far

Yeah, I can't complain either.
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: gm66 on December 07, 2017, 12:49:35 PM
I've been running it on 2 machines for a couple or three months now.

I upgraded on both machines from W7 for free :

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgrade

I only just got the creators update a couple of days ago, but i do remember reading they were rolling out internationally at different times.

I've enjoyed it so far, once it's tweaked and you install classic shell : http://www.classicshell.net/
Title: Re: W10. Hold my beer
Post by: rcjordan on May 06, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
Workaround for Windows 10 April 2018 Update causing Chrome freeze-up

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[1] Try a Windows key sequence to wake the screen.  If you have a keyboard connected, simultaneously press the Windows logo key + Ctrl + Shift + B. If you’re on a tablet, simultaneously press both the volume-up and volume-down buttons, three times within 2 seconds.  If Windows is responsive, a short beep will sound and the screen will blink or dim while Windows attempts to refresh the screen.

[2] If you’re using a laptop, close and open the laptop lid.

https://techaeris.com/2018/05/06/workaround-windows-10-april-2018-update-cortana-chrome-freezing/

I've been trying to figure out whether a repeating intermittent problem was router- or wifi-based signal issues, but that doesn't seem quite right as I can hear the laptop max out grinding away on something while it stalls.  This might be it.