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Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« on: September 15, 2023, 05:14:36 PM »
TLDR; Recaptcha is reading your browser history. The checkbox is just window dressing.  It's worth a watch.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16jaukw/why_robots_cant_pass_the_captcha_test/

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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2023, 12:48:20 AM »
Nice explainer. I knew they were using proof of work methods, but didnít kmow that it was also based on browser history. That would explain why tracking blockers kick you to the puzzle solver methods.

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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2023, 06:14:28 AM »
So the only way to get through a captcha is going to be to give up our privacy?

seems to me the mouse tracking should be possible to fool (not saying I could do it, but just the data must be out there to replicate.)
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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2023, 08:13:51 PM »
No, you donít have to give up your privacy, but barring signals that you are not a robot, you will be forced to solve puzzles.

Since I run tracking blockers on most sites, I am frequently presented with puzzles whereas a person with a default browser setup would sail through.

As always, you get to choose between level of privacy and level of hassle. The hassle of genuine privacy in 2023 is something few people in the rich world are willing to consider. The things that compromise privacy the most often also add the most convenience or help with quality of life(credit cards, health care, government pensions for example).
« Last Edit: September 17, 2023, 08:17:14 PM by ergophobe »

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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 08:39:03 PM »
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The hassle of genuine privacy in 2023 is something few people in the rich world are willing to consider.

and there you go, that why privacy goes. Its just too difficult to do otherwise.

We were on the phone to airbnb today, and they were asking for a DOB?  Sues response was "why". we just want to change some settings.  you called us.
Do we trust airbnb?  NO.

I am afraid our data is out there, there is nothing secure anymore.  Everyone know everything about us DOB, Mother maiden name, first pet.... everything.

Its gone... a bit of search history is small fry.  ( Sorry rant over)
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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2023, 11:49:50 PM »
As often as possible, I use fake DOB. And I use my Rick Deckard alter ego if a website has no real reason to ask my name. So my spamcatcher email is full of "Hi Rick," emails.

But it's all a drop in the bucket. The credit card companies and credit reporting agencies know pretty much everything there is to know about me. What they don't know, Google knows.

The flip side is all of this does add real convenience. There was a time I traveled with a stack of cash and, maybe, traveler's checks. In 1985, I hitchiked down the west coast of the US after a summer in Alaska with no credit card and $3500 (about $10K inflation adjusted) in saved wages in my pocket in hundreds and twenties.

I didn't leave much of a trail. The flip side is I could have lost a whole summer's wages and I was pretty nervous a few times but, strangely, not with the guy who's first words to me were: "You f### with me and I'll kill you." ;-)

For me, it's not the privacy, but the manipulation. And that's where siphoning my browser history is a concern - it's not that they *know* because there's nothing there I am not willing to share, it's that it can be combined with other data and deployed to manipulate my behavior without me understanding that.

So that's why, even though it's a losing game, I run tracking blockers just to make it that much harder for them and to at least reduce ROAS across the system if possible (easier for me to say now that I don't buy ads). But admit the truth - if you're buying ads, you always wish you knew just a little bit more about the people seeing your ads.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2023, 11:56:10 PM by ergophobe »

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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2023, 05:59:02 AM »
Interesting analysis thank you.  I guess I try to run a distraction too. I often wonder if its worth the bother and makes any difference. Perhaps it is :)

As a bit of an aside....
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I use fake DOB.
That nearly caught us out with Airbnb earlier this week.  There was a support question, that then they had to phone, then they had to check security... you can guess where it went wrong. 

The really frustrating part was that there was no need for a call, they only needed to drop me a link to a solution, and it would have been sorted.  It was as if they wanted to build a relationship.  It went wrong firstly of course because the accent of the person on the phone was difficult for me to understand. The English was excellent, it was they way she said it.

so it failed in 4 places (imho):

No need for a call.
No need for extra security questions (They called us)
Us having a second dob (Sue clocked it, so put it right I would have not had a clue which I used, it a half trusted site)
A difficult accent for me.

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« Last Edit: September 19, 2023, 06:03:19 AM by Rupert »
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Re: Why robots canít pass the captcha test : Damnthatsinteresting
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2023, 01:00:39 PM »
>> A difficult accent for me.

That frustrates me. I sometimes have to ask the person to repeat a thing multiple times before I can understand and I resent the waste of time. I wish that companies running phone centres would insist on better accent / diction training to suit the market they'll be conversing with.

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