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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2020, 02:02:06 PM »
Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads - The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178068/facebook-apple-newspaper-ads-ios-privacy-changes

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2020, 05:50:07 PM »
What are the chances this backfires? I didn't even know about this, but now I find myself thinking, "Go Apple!"

And let's say they get millions of signatures. Are those small businesses switching phones because they want the ability to track their customers? Are legislators stepping in to force Apple to let Facebook track iPhone users?

And finally, how much of the soul of each employee in the FB marketing, PR and legal dies every time they create one of these ads? I phrase that facetiously, but I mean it seriously. I have seen with my limited experience that when the corporate overlords ask employees to do things like this, the effect is decreasing moral and good people leaving companies.

Am I missing something? Who is the audience for this? What is the path that provides an upside to Facebook?
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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2020, 09:56:22 PM »
I have mixed feelings about all of this.

As a user, I prefer less tracking.

As an affiliate whose income relies on a certain amount of tracking, it's depressing.

As an advertiser I value the ability to limit my ads to the people most likely to be interested in my particular widgets instead of having to advertise to the whole world to reach those folks.

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2020, 10:08:04 PM »
Worth a look.

Latest iOS update shows all the ways Facebook tracks you. There are a lot.
https://mashable.com/article/apple-ios-134-update-app-store-privacy-facebook/

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2020, 01:34:20 AM »
I think it's a matter of taking something too far.

As I've mentioned before, my personal Rubicon on all this was when an ad was running featuring me and my wife. One day I was on a completely unrelated site and saw THREE copies of myself on the page. It was jarring and while that ad ran, I realized how aggressively I was tracked everywhere I went on the web.

And then we learned that advertisers could target very small groups of voters and send them ads designed not to make them vote for one candidate or the other, but to make them decide not go to the polls at all, which was a major factor in deciding the 2016 election.

And then I came to realize that we surf the web with one, single, very limited human brain and arrayed against us trying to influence us are thousands of engineers and staff social scientists with some of the world's most powerful supercomputers at their disposal. And we learned that with all that power, they can predict with a high level of accuracy which political party you are likely support simply based on your click patterns, even when all content information is removed (i.e. just based on where and how quickly you click).

Or they can analyze smartphone usage meta data and know your Big Five personality type.
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/30/17680

When I add all that up, I feel like the level of advertising, the ability to track and follow me and the ability to micro-target ad copy to specific audiences has become toxic. It is a form of mental pollution in the same way as mercury in the water or NOX in the air.

It's not the principle so much as the extent and the asymmetric nature of the battle that troubles me. I think as a society, we accept a certain amount of NOX in the air. We debate how much, but we know the smog of 1970s LA was too much. We have 90% agreement on that now. I think the level of tracking and targeting is polluting our mental environment more to a level of the air pollution in LA prior to the Clean Air Act than to the level in that city today. Even today LA still has about 85 days a year when the air is unhealthy to sensitive groups, but the internet now has 365 days per year when the mental pollution levels are unhealthy to sensitive groups or worse ;-)
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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2020, 04:12:08 AM »
France fines Google $120M and Amazon $42M for dropping tracking cookies without consent | TechCrunch

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/10/france-fines-google-120m-and-amazon-42m-for-dropping-tracking-cookies-without-consent/

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2020, 02:37:45 PM »
Low blow.

Facebook slams Apple privacy change again, suggesting it will kill free apps.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/facebook-criticizes-apple-privacy-change-in-second-day-of-ad-blitz-.html

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 05:06:15 PM »
Now that criticism might actually have some traction with consumers.

I'm still strongly, strongly on the side of Apple. None of the apps I use weekly would be affected. There's one app I use on occasion that has ads.

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 01:26:44 AM »
Firefox continues cracking down on tracking with cache partitioning | Ars Technica
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/firefox-v85-will-improve-its-cache-partitioning-for-stronger-privacy/

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Re: The advertising companies trying to save third-party cookies (as 'IDs')
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2020, 02:51:37 AM »
I wish they would whitelist some common things - well-known font repositories, JQuery and so forth. Otherwise, to use their example, I have to download Roboto over and over again if it is not one of my system fonts.