Author Topic: The Coming Online Advertising collapse  (Read 6965 times)

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 08:49:21 AM »
"Here are 3 simple rules if you don't want me to block your ads:

1- Serve them from the same server you're serving your content from, in the same session. No 3rd parties, period. Yeah, I know it's inconvenient, but life is inconvenient. Deal with it.

2- Make sure ads weigh 10% or less of the total page size. If the page is 500 KB, the ads should be 50 KB or less. This is perfectly doable.

3- Make sure they're completely static. No video, no sounds, no javascript. HTML links are obviously fine.

I think these are very reasonable criteria, don't you agree?"

https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4n3sny/according_to_ceo_thompson_of_the_new_york_times/d41aeiv?context=3

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 09:34:00 AM »
"Here are 3 simple rules if you don't want me to block your ads:

1- Serve them from the same server you're serving your content from, in the same session. No 3rd parties, period. Yeah, I know it's inconvenient, but life is inconvenient. Deal with it.

2- Make sure ads weigh 10% or less of the total page size. If the page is 500 KB, the ads should be 50 KB or less. This is perfectly doable.

3- Make sure they're completely static. No video, no sounds, no javascript. HTML links are obviously fine.

I think these are very reasonable criteria, don't you agree?"

https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4n3sny/according_to_ceo_thompson_of_the_new_york_times/d41aeiv?context=3

I saw that post too, and no I don't think that they are reasonable - and I also don't think that the OP meant it.

Criteria like this are only realistic to the largest of publishers (ok, I know that the post was about NYT, but the comment was more general). In typical reddit fashion the assumption is that all ads are served by mega-corps and are managed in some weird, last century bubble.  Direct serving of ads only works if you have a small number of advertisers buying a large amount of advertising - ie you are a huge publisher doing direct deals at a premium.  That's great if you are: Your sales team spend months on the deal, your dev team produce the creatives, your adops team traffic them and your account managers keep everyone happy enough to pay $30 CPM.

However, that isn't typical of ad serving. The internet isn't the newspaper stand dominated by a few big publishers. There are millions of small publishers trying to do their best with small buys at low CPMs.  The typical buy is a few hundred impression at under $1 CPM. The time it takes to raise an invoice costs enough to make the deal unprofitable.  That's why networks and exchanges exist and we don't currently have another model to support and independent web.   Either we fix RTB of we're all logging on to the Murdock / Fox internet.

The online ad eco system is out of hand.  Want to know how out of hand? check out the ad-tech lumascape. Clearly that isn't right.   

My response then:

1- Serve them from the same server you're serving your content from, in the same session. No 3rd parties, period. Yeah, I know it's inconvenient, but life is inconvenient. Deal with it.

Not inconvenient. Simply not at all viable for most of the internet.

2- Make sure ads weigh 10% or less of the total page size. If the page is 500 KB, the ads should be 50 KB or less. This is perfectly doable.
Ad requests begin before the page is loaded in order to reduce load times.   To base the maximum creative size on the page size would mean  until the size of every asset is known before making the ad request.  That would be incredibly painful and the opposite of a good user experience.

3- Make sure they're completely static. No video, no sounds, no javascript. HTML links are obviously fine.
Most ads are HTML or Image, but javascript is used to serve them.  Ad blockers block them anyway.

Why I think the reddit OP didn't mean it

Ad blockers are like a scorched earth policy. Everything gets blocked, good or bad.  If people blocked ads on annoying sites that would be great - more money for the sites doing it well and everyone gets encouraged to do a better job.  That isn't what happens though. They try to block everything, which means that the only sites that do well are those that serve the worst ads to the rest of their users or get sneaky with their ad delivery.

Ad blockers are making advertising worse. They are hurting those that play nicely the most and encouraging more aggressive advertising. 2 years ago very few publishers that I worked with wanted to use interstitials, video ads, take-overs etc.  Now I am asked about them every week by a publishers who needs ways to offset the revenue lost to ad blocking.   

I think that there was a huge opportunity lost with ad blocking.   If ABP in particular had started out from the position of trying to block bad ads not all ads we would have a tool that was pushing publishers to do better rather than worse.  Worse still, I think that a more "reasonable" blocker that allowed people to block particular types of ads (flash, HTML5, large formats, video, more than X per page etc) wouldn't work today.   The likely end game is less independent content and a further move away from web to apps (which means less publishers still). 

Big newspapers and facebook win.



 

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2016, 10:11:43 AM »
Interesting survey : https://surveys.survata.com/public/c25e0ffd-9f8f-4b59-b5e2-88db999b9eda/ad-blocking?utm_source=quora

60% of respondants value 'not having to view ads' over 'free online content supported by ads'

35% of respondents iether don't know, or don't care what happens if 100% of people blocks ads


Am I just turning into a grumpy old man, but a lot of this seems to related to the "everything for nothing" culture so prevalent in millennials?   Celebrity culture, ad-blocking, the way the UBI idea is becoming a bandwagon.  There might be reasons/catalysts for each but the common these is "I want stuff, but I don't want to work or pay for it".

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2016, 05:14:25 PM »
> I just turning into a grumpy old man...millennials
Maybe. 
I am pretty sure the only different between Millennials and us old timers when it comes to adblocking is the percentage of folks who know how to implement it.  I am willing to bet that the majority of the Core is using adblock.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2016, 05:43:45 PM »
  I am willing to bet that the majority of the Core is using adblock.

I don't!

OK - I have most of the popular ad blockers installed (testing) but have them all disabled for general use. 

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2016, 07:34:30 PM »
I resisted for a long time, but I finally installed ad blockers a couple of months ago when I realized how much bandwidth they sucked up and when I saw how mercilessly I am tracked from site to site. I think I mentioned this before... I recently was the "talent" in an ad and that really opened my eyes to how much I was being tracked - everywhere I went on the web, there I was on the page. Very disconcerting and it was the straw that made me realize it had gone to far.

I do believe people need to pay for content and would prefer to see some micropayment networks evolve where I can participate and, if I opt in, I don't see ads, but I pay a small amount per page view.

The two options available now are just no longer acceptable to me
 - bombarded with ads that track me at every click and suck up my bandwidth and actually cost me money because I do, in fact, pay for bandwidth. I'd rather give the publisher that money than the advertiser.
 - subscribe for $30-$100/year to dozens of publications. Really? I need a $60 subscription to your publication because I want to read two articles this year? Also not viable.

I support publishers' right to block my access if I block their ads.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2016, 08:07:41 PM »
Do you use any of the email existing  micropayment services like Google contributor?

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2016, 10:12:45 PM »
>but a lot of this seems to related to the "everything for nothing" culture so prevalent in millennials?

It's related to the obtrusive, bandwidth hogging, distracting etc etc etc nature of the ads.

The problem isn't the user, it's the ads.