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The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« on: June 08, 2016, 04:40:16 PM »
I've been seeing signs of the apocalypse for a while and I know many (most?) of you are - I know people here are tracking the rise of ad blocking and so on. I feel like the bottom is about to fall out on ad-supported web publishing... and here's another sign...

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We estimate that the online advertising market has been artificially inflated since the end of 2013, and is much more mature than its pundits are claiming. 90% of Google's revenues come from advertising. We expect Alphabet’s share price to go down by 75%. We get this number by revising its earnings down by 30%, stripping its 30x PE off its "growth premium" down to 15x, and factoring in the reputational damage. Other, nimbler "ad tech" players will be wiped out (Rocket Fuel, Millennial Media, Tremor Video, The Rubicon Project).

https://kalkis-research.com/google-end-of-the-online-advertising-bubble

This is a long, but good read.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 04:42:44 PM by ergophobe »

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2016, 05:48:19 PM »
Long ago in a Th3core ver 2.0 (or was it ver 3?),  there was a thread that outlined the then-ridiculous prospect of a future housing price collapse.  That thread turned out to be dead-on.  One sentence in that thread comes to mind...

We don't have a mechanism in place to handle this.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2016, 06:03:53 PM »
They're tapping into that in the article. They refer a lot to "subprime advertising space."

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2016, 06:30:28 PM »
What I am uncertain about is what this means for people like us?  Perhaps it isn't necessarily a bad thing for web-entrepreneurs. The rise of adblock hurts big companies, FB, Yahoo, Bing and especially Google.  It also means that non-paid traffic becomes more valuable.  JS powered remote ads will continue to get less impressions, but probably the cost for those impressions/clicks will continue to rise as there is less advertising space available.  Meanwhile the old affiliate techniques of obfuscating advertising and masking redirect links will become more valuable, and perhaps more acceptable by the mainstream publishers and traffic juggernauts.  In effect, the rest of the web will have to do stuff we were doing years ago.  Change will create opportunity for the nimble.


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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 06:33:00 PM »
> rest of the web will have to do stuff we were doing years ago.

*Except* without ads the backbone of what currently funds the search engines and alpha sites will dry up.
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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 06:43:04 PM »
>what this means for people like us?

We're ditching DFP and all ad-serving software, and building a custom, in-house system. The ads should be difficult to block.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 06:46:41 PM »
Type-in domains might be big winners.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 07:19:42 PM »
*Except* without ads the backbone of what currently funds the search engines and alpha sites will dry up.

That's kind of the part I'm thinking of. I think there will be a huge fallout in web publishing. Lots of sites will dry up and I think what will differentiate the quick from the dead will be content that people are willing to open their wallets for either directly by paying for a subscription or indirectly by buying the actual product the publisher is selling (like Moz - the tons of content are really just a commercial for Moz).

We're already seeing paywalls tightening up at NYT and Economist (fewer free articles per month). Mother Jones just went to a "pledge" model similar to the way public radio works in the US (which I think may be a model for many).

But then you have the Buzzfeeds of the world. Tons of traffic, but will anyone ever open her wallet for a monthly Buzzfeed subscription?

So back to Littleman's question, this I think is what the article means by subprime advertising space. For banner ads and retargeting on the Google display network, there will be fewer and fewer slots and higher and higher cost. Will the quality match the cost? I don't know and, in any case, that question may be rendered moot by ad blockers.

In brief, I think if you compare the landscape today to five years from now, online advertising will look more like advertising in any other media (I mean relative to today, not that it will look more like print advertising than web advertising, but the web model of the future will edge closer to the print model of today than it is currently). That will be especially true if everyone installs tracking blockers and it becomes much harder to get granular info on ROAS.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 07:24:47 PM by ergophobe »

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2016, 07:26:59 PM »
I also wonder which Google divisions will continue to run at a profit once ad blockers are ubiquitous.

Will Gmail disappear as a free service? Google Voice? Drive? Apps?

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2016, 07:37:12 PM »
>We expect Alphabet’s share price to go down by 75%

Holy moly! Wow, auch, wow.

>We're ditching DFP

Auch, wow. It's ALL the rage here with our SEM and Ad buying teams. They rely HEAVILY on in from a advertiser perspective.

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2016, 09:07:36 PM »
I can't say as much information in this topic out here as I might inside,  but those who know what we do will understand how closely I've been looking at this issue (as I've literally bet the house on online ads). 

The sharp end of this is Web display (aka banners).  Those are the ads that are being down-priced,  blocked,  abused,  over-supplied and defrauded (plus the looming question of whether the end of the web is nigh) . Other online advertising is proving more resilient (in stream,  in app etc).

The display ad business isn't taking it lying down though.  They're finally over the fear of talking about ad blocking and are responding. I think that we'll see the big players pushing for quality and creating distance between them and the low end of the market.  "safe"  formats will become part of that too.

Might all be too late though.  People don't block bad ads.  They see bad ads then block all ads.  That's going to be hard to change.



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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2016, 09:20:51 PM »
>People don't block bad ads

They also see a good one, just a little too late, hit the back button and its gone. Might be an angle?

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 09:32:06 PM »
>as I might inside

Take it inside, please, RT

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2016, 09:34:30 PM »
I've just read that Kalkis Research post in full.  I don't disagree with some of their conclusions,  but I don't think that they really know the space very well either.  

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Re: The Coming Online Advertising collapse
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2016, 03:38:29 AM »
>>We're already seeing paywalls tightening up at NYT and Economist

There are a few big sports blogs for a couple cities that are moving to a paid subscription model and are doing very well for themselves. They put out some of the best sports content for their respective cities and the fans are willing to pay. The readers appreciate the solid writing and would rather pay a few bucks a month than have to sift through all the ads to find the content. Luckily they will still be running traffic to us through their affiliate links.