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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2023, 06:40:46 PM »
>Restaurants

I got an email from a local restaurant offering a subscription to their "club" Can't remember any of the details but it was a limited number of members and you got food for about 15% of what it would normally cost.

Makes sense from a restaurants perspective as they could more easily plan their food ordering, staffing, etc. knowing they had X amount of money coming in via subscriptions every month.

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2023, 08:13:59 PM »
>>15%

This is basically the modern model of a ski area.

The original model was to sell day passes and make money that way, much like a restaurant today. In the 1970s, overpriced food in the cafeteria started to help with margins, but still it was the same model.

In the 1980s, it started shifting to a real estate play: have all these services, lose some money, but build a ton of condos owned by the same company that ran the mountain, and then sell them off. But eventually, all the desirable or allowable land was sold off.

The new model is to own a suite of resorts and get everyone to buy a subscription, which in the ski industry is called what it has always been called, a season pass. But what has changed is that season pass prices have plummeted and the cost of a single-day ticket has skyrocketed.

So a season pass for an adult with no special deal (not a senior or a junior) used be priced so that the breakeven was about 20 days of skiing. Typically passes today break even at as little as 4 days if you buy the pass early, accept a few blackout dates and compare that to the cost of a day on a holiday weekend.

Some people say it has saved skiing. Some people say it is killing skiing. It has saved skiing because it means that for diehard skiers who have a place to stay within driving distance of a resort, it has never been cheaper and it has never been better (many top-shelf resorts for one third of what you would have paid for a season pass to a single resort 20 years ago).

It is killing skiing because this only works by making day passes, mostly bought now by new skiers, extremely expensive and by creating incentives for a small number of companies (chiefly Vail and the company that owns Aspen and Mammoth), to buy up all the resorts in America and homogenize the experience.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/ski-pass-epic-ikon

I'm not sure how that all relates to subscription restaurants, but it seems like a similar model. You make it very cheap to get an annual pass, but you just count on people not actually going all that often. But then you make it very expensive to people who just walk in the door. And I would imagine the same impetus to expand your portfolio of restaurants would eventually take hold. Nobody wants to eat the same place twice a week, but if I had a pass to 15 restaurants, I might go out to eat more.

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2023, 10:57:45 PM »
>if I had a pass to 15 restaurants, I might go out to eat more

The place that was offering it is owned by a group that has probably 8 or 10 restaurants in the area. I could definitely see that being more attractive than just one restaurant.

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2023, 10:49:45 PM »
“ Take control of your subscriptions”

https://www.rocketmoney.com/feature/manage-subscriptions

I’m seeing mentions of them a lot more often. Maybe they just discovered my demo

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2023, 11:06:21 PM »

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2023, 04:48:39 PM »
Ring Alarm will require a subscription for most basic features later this month - The Verge

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/3/23623523/ring-alarm-camera-features-subscription

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2023, 07:05:37 PM »
"With an expected starting price of about $30,000, it should be noted that VinFast sells its cars with a separate monthly subscription charge for the batteries. "
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/evs-keep-getting-cheaper-and-this-all-new-solar-powered-suv-is-proof-of-it/ar-AA17oc8s

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2023, 08:48:10 PM »
Hyundai Launches New Evolve+ Subscription Program For Kona EV And Ioniq 5 | Carscoops

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/02/hyundai-tries-its-hand-at-the-vehicle-subscription-model-with-evolve-ev-program/

Evolve+ looks like a lease plan, but scroll down to the BlueLink+ comparison chart.  (IIRC, Hyundai's BlueLink+ is complimentary for 3 years.)

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2023, 10:38:48 PM »
Ford has been bucking the trend since 2019, when they made FordPass free for life.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2019/10/14/fordpass-connect-goes-fee-free-for-life/

Which led Hot Cars top naively predict regarding Hyundai Bluelink
"Although the future of these features is almost indisputably free, after the recent unlocking of FordPass Connect (a similar app by Ford) for free,"
https://www.hotcars.com/hyundai-blue-link-app-everything-should-know/

I do think there is a difference between Hyundai Bluelink, which does require Hyundai to maintain some infrastructure and presumably cut deals with cell carriers so the car can talk to Hyundai and your phone, and things like the BMW heated seat subscription, which requires BMW to add all sort of unnecessary tech to your seat to connect it to a cell network for the sole purpose of allowing them to remotely disable the seat heating button (or touch icon) that you already have in your car that needs no cell service or infrastructure except for that fact that BMW wants to charge you a subscription fee. Same for whichever manufacturer lets you access more power if you pay up.

It's a bit the difference between Adobe moving to a subscription model for software that they upgrade (annoying, but comprehensible) and Lenovo making you pay a subscription for your laptop or lose your keyboard backlighting or find 20% of your RAM inaccessible. I think Lenovo would quickly go out of business if they tried that.
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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2023, 11:12:58 PM »
What is the difference between Bluelink and Bluelink+?⁠


Bluelink and Bluelink+ both offer the same services, such as being able to remotely start your Hyundai, lock or unlock the doors, schedule EV battery charging and more. The difference is in how you pay for them.

    Bluelink, which is available on most 2023 and older Hyundai models (except IONIQ 6), is complimentary for the first 3 years with a new vehicle purchase. After that, you’ll pay a low monthly fee to continue your subscription.

    For 2023 IONIQ 6 and all 2024 and newer Hyundai models, Bluelink+ is at no charge for all IONIQ 6 original owners.

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/blue-link

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2023, 02:56:51 AM »
Ah... okay. I just scanned and thought the "Complimentary" was marketing mumbo-jumbo for "complimentary addition with your Bluelink subscription."

I wonder if why they are not rolling out complimentary Bluelink across the lineup now, with 2024 models getting Bluelink+. Because the cost is not built into the price of the vehicle when sold?

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2023, 06:53:44 PM »
Consumers Aren’t Buying Automaker Plans To Make Everything A Subscription | Techdirt

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/03/28/consumers-arent-buying-automaker-plans-to-make-everything-a-subscription/

I'm currently watching Volvo & Hyundai Ioniq 6 specifically because they have excluded or made complimentary their subscription plans.

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Re: Travoli's prediction of "everything will be subscription"
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2023, 02:53:13 PM »
David Hannemeier Hansson on why enterprise SAAS is due for or correction.

Interesting perspective from someone who is both an SAAS provider and customer.

https://world.hey.com/dhh/it-s-not-just-cloud-costs-that-are-out-of-control-efcd098c

Spoiler alert, they just cancelled their $88,000 annual subscription with Datadog.