Author Topic: What's the best to spam the actual bloggers (and not just the blogs)?  (Read 8794 times)

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I've just started winding down on designing my first Facebook app and I'm starting to turn my attention toward promoting it, while the coders create it to my specs.  Ads on Facebook and anywhere else are too expensive to be a viable option on a big scale, and while the thing is geared to be viral, I still need to disseminate it, initially, to even get it out there ...and there isnt even a .com involved yet, and if there was it would never rank and move traffic in Google.

I was thinking since it's using new tech, it's simple to use and understand, and it is actually useful in real life, there are a few categories of bloggers that might find the topic worthy of elaboration on their blogs.  2 years ago I was working on something similar and had a little French intern that wasn't too great at doing anything so she made me a spreadsheet with 500+ contact URLs for bloggers in our space.  We ended up getting pulled off the project and never emailed the people, so I never found out what might have happened had we pulled the trigger, but theoretically some of them should have bit.

I did some searches myself and there is no shortage of blogs but I sure as hell don't want to start cutting and pasting myself.  I either need to outsource this, or figure out the very top blogs, invest time on them and hope for a trickle down affect.  I also thought of using some kind of blog spammer to just post emails on the contact page, but I'm not sure where to start with that either.

Anyone out there with any experience on how to tackle any aspect of this?  I have a few ideas but have never really 'pushed' like this.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 02:22:49 AM by dogboy »

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Re: What's the best to spam the actual bloggers (and not just the blogs)?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 08:53:02 AM »
In general, bloggers need either a tangible benefit (cash, freebie) or to feel valued. Making them feel valued can be time consuming - I treat it like any PR exercise - get your list, order them by value. Pull out the ones who you think will respond to cash or pressies and hit them with either a simple business deal or an email offering a product to review with no strings, whichever seems appropriate. Those are the easy ones although some then require more info and sometimes an interview.

The ones who need to be looked after are really important to grade so you don't spend too long targetting ones who will only send you 3 visitors and a nofollow.

It is a load of work and, in my experience at least, most don't respond to being pinged with a press release. It does get easier over time because you learn who you want to build relationships with and then get to the point where you can just ping them an opportunity for an exclusive etc and they'll run with it, but its almost better to send something out on PRWire and get it picked up than mail individually and offend them by not personalising it!

I haven't got there yet but my aim with some sets of bloggers for some clients is to setup 'panels' who are our go to guys for getting things out there. Invite them to London occasionally and put them in a hotel for a night, ask their opinions, request feedback, give them goodie packs and give them 24 hours advance notice on big news. That should take most of the pain out of the ongoing work, but except for a few ones who stand out identifying which blogs we want this to be is quite tricky.

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 09:42:53 AM »
A few years ago one of my blogs was a finalist in the New Statesman New Media Awards.  They did the flights to London and hotel stuff for the awards.  The one thing I did find about the bloggers in that space - politics - was that they were real assholes and full of self-importance.  The majority of the bloggers who were there were not even finalists although a lot of them were London or south-east based nominees and there were quite a few 'faces' in the space who acted like divas.  They were really not nice people - couldn't wait to get back to my room for a shower. 

The funny thing was, when we were speaking about numbers they all kept their mouths shut about it - I was proud of them so I showed them my figures and I am sure some of them were gobsmacked by the looks on their faces - none of them understood SEO at that time.

I think Gurtie's advice is really good.  Treat them with the importance that they think they have, even if you don't agree.  Target it really well.

In retrospect there is one funny thing that happened on the night.  An MP came up to me and said "I'm glad you are not in my constituency" - I said "funnily enough, I don't live in Edinburgh - I live in New York - there's no landlocked barriers - also there is nothing on the blog which is inaccurate - so what are you scared of - who are you shagging?"

That MP is now the Deputy Prime Minister.


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Re: What's the best to spam the actual bloggers (and not just the blogs)?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 02:09:26 PM »
Thx, boys, you reconfirmed my thoughts. Especially that bit about giving each a 1-5 star rating and spending the appropriate amount of effort on each. I did that before too.

Lemme ask a few more questions then...

When searching you always find 2 types of sites: blogs about the subject and general blogs that nailed an article dead on your target. This second variety always seems to make me jealous wishing they wrote about my widget eventhough the date of the article is before I actually made mine. What do you do about these?  I always think they should do a followup article or they might just find mine more interesting, but have never asked...

Also, what do you think about not only pushing to get in blogs end users read, but since we are talking Facebook apps making use of their newest 'places' API and paypals Adaptive Payments API, trying to go after tech bloggers makes sense too, since just about anyone could use it.

Downside is I can't protect the idea so once the cat is out of the bag I need to run as fast as I can, because my competition in that space will use my blueprint and have the 'second mover advantage' of duplication with an existing userbase.

But I think pros outweigh the cons.

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 03:48:04 PM »
This second variety always seems to make me jealous wishing they wrote about my widget eventhough the date of the article is before I actually made mine. What do you do about these?  I always think they should do a followup article or they might just find mine more interesting, but have never asked...

This type of work is the meat and potatoes for journalists.  Rather than just copying an article look at the widget from a different perspective.  The person who is writing the article is trying to get their point of view about the widget across but there is more than one point of view. 

Look at the widget from someone else's point of view.  Let's say it is a bells and whistles WP theme.  Look at the theme from someone using a screen reader or someone who communicates in sign language and doesn't read written language very well.  Make the article more highbrow so that searches bring in a different type of reader - for the wordpress theme how it could be used for business rather than an abusive blog,  using different search terms or make it more lowbrow to bring in the scum - how to take the wordpress theme to make it a great SEO'd theme for great Latino lesbian porn.

You could also machine translate them and get online elfs to tidy up the translations and open up your market.


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Re: What's the best to spam the actual bloggers (and not just the blogs)?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 03:54:59 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 04:04:50 PM »
Hadn't seen that one Gurtie.  Nyce.....

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 01:28:17 AM »

In retrospect there is one funny thing that happened on the night.  An MP came up to me and said "I'm glad you are not in my constituency" - I said "funnily enough, I don't live in Edinburgh - I live in New York - there's no landlocked barriers - also there is nothing on the blog which is inaccurate - so what are you scared of - who are you shagging?"

That MP is now the Deputy Prime Minister.

Am I missing something but Nick Clegg is MP for Sheffield Hallam...  :-\

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 07:49:55 AM »

Am I missing something but Nick Clegg is MP for Sheffield Hallam...  :-\

Yeah.  I think that's right - he was at the awards ceremony.


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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 05:09:38 PM »
DB - there are a couple of great interviews with Tim Ferris on how he went from unknown, unpublished author to mega-bestseller. There's one on Mixergy, but there's even a better one about exactly how he targeted bloggers and how this propelled him to the NYT bestseller list. He was probably the first author to ever use this as a strategy, so it's perhaps harder now.

The main points that I recall were

- he looked for the least crowded channel and decided that it was bloggers (most authors at the time were going after radio and print journalists).
- he ponied up $10,000 for marketing and this went into attending conferences where he thought bloggers from his target audience would be, just trying to meet them and get to know them. If they seemed uninterested in him or didn't ask about what he was doing or, asking that, didn't seem interested in the book, he moved on. If they did seem interested, he simply asked them "If you don't mind, can I send you a free copy of the book when it comes out?" If they said yes, he put them on the list.
- when the review copies were ready, he sent them to everyone on the list and said "If you like it and think your readers would be interested, it would great if you could mention this on your blog."

He argues that he thinks meeting these people in person and getting to know them as friends was what made this work so well.

His funny story is trying to meet Robert Scoble. He went to a conference and Scoble was surrounded by groupies, so he realized he was never going to make a connection. So he looked around for anyone who looked like an interesting person. He saw some woman on the fringes and went up and started talking to her. Was having a great talk and they really hit it off. Turned out to be Scoble's wife and he got the Robert Scoble review in then end anyway.

The key point is that he said (paraphrasing obviously): "Bloggers didn't end up reviewing my book because they liked it. They ended up reviewing my book because they liked me."
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 05:16:52 PM »
This is the Mixergy interview.

I can't find the other one - it was a podcast that interviews authors and is more literary if I recall, but there are so many Tim Ferris interviews out there I can't find it amongst the chaff (the chaff being interviews where they ask Tim about the content of the Four-Hour Work Week).

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 03:52:06 PM »
...ergophobe, very cool

>Do you have any firm plans or ideas on reaching out to the bloggers
yes, it's definitely a vein I'm going to run down, although I'm putting out about 20 fires a day right now, so I shelved this for the time being with plans of picking it up in a few weeks in earnest.  But I also got a new partner that has a say in all this now: our very own Lovely Leona:) Surprise! So we are going to tackle this soon... maybe we can all wrap our heads around this and come up with something actionable for our specific cases, based on what has been said here.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 12:07:25 AM »
>he ponied up $10,000 for marketing and this went into attending conferences
remember this was said. If given the opportunity, I'm going to follow in his footsteps and then some:)

>congrats to you and Leona
much appreciated:) I needed some backup.  We didn't ink the contract but if we could shake hands through skype we would have today:)

I'm running thin but covering serious ground.  With her background, she is redundant to me, but complementary in some ways too.  I'm trying to engage another woman I worked with before as well.  Her super powers involve excruciating documentation.... an ability that i think both Leona and I would be jealous of if we didn't have to learn how to do it:) Between us, and my buddy who I started this with, I think we are going to get a lot of bang for our buck.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 07:15:54 AM »
awesome, I want social media lessons from Leona  8)

Will one of you give us a running commentary?

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 01:58:48 PM »
If this were the old core and private I'd be inclined to blather on and connect all the dots but I'm going to make a play at getting into techcrunch in May and will launch there, if they'll have us, so I can't publically let the cat out of the bag since I can't protect the idea once it is out.

Once we know when we are going to launch, or I'm ready to pull the trigger, I'll disclose it and invite you all for a drink to check it out:) maybe I'll invite you all to be beta testers, if you want.