Author Topic: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?  (Read 5600 times)

grnidone

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How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« on: January 09, 2011, 08:15:57 PM »
I've got a stubborn German client who is not convinced they need to buy links to get links.  They are in the travel sector. 

Yeah.  I know.  Big DUH!

I'm about to pull my hair out.  Any ideas on how I can get them over to my way of thinking?

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 08:59:00 PM »
f### em off and tell them why. It's hard working for muppets that don't want to do what is needed.

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 08:46:51 AM »
all i can suggest is to do what many larger agencies in the UK seem to be doing and redefine 'buy'. Do not pay for a link. Pay for an advertorial. Pay for an article which is then given to the website to use for free. Pay for a large hamper to be delivered to someone. Provide a product for review. Go back to old stylee PR and pay for a load of 'journalists' to go visit a place which you want to promote. Charge for 'PR' and then submit your 'press release' to various article sites including ones where a fee is charged (after all - you pay for PRWeb so its ok).

Its stupid. But its true. I have seen one really well known agency say to at least three potential clients 'oh we never buy links' lately. Possibly true - you can find their networks quite easily if you rummage, and obviously paying for an agency to setup a network is not buying links. Bless.

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 09:21:32 AM »
Yeah, just redefine buying. 

Press Release: not buying links but brand building

I've had major uk agencies pay to submit 200 of their clients to a dozen directories i run - The fee is not for a link but for an editorial review. In private the same agency told me they had a policy of not buying links when i offered them something better.

Did the client offer any alternative suggestions? they feel they can do lots of clever viral, or create widgets to get links?

Failing that dump them like Gimpy said  :(


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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 09:41:43 AM »
Do they understand the value of links?

That is always the first step for me.  Then I explain there are many ways of getting them, and that while 1000 small links are good and "free" except for the time, sometimes a few big hitters are worth having.
A really good link can offer valuable traffic, and be a strong vote for Google to see too.
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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 10:22:02 AM »
I've got a stubborn German client who is not convinced they need to buy links to get links.  They are in the travel sector. 


insert knife/gunfight quote here

paid linking and networks are huge in Germany.

the likelihood is your nearest or most successful competitors are up to one or other to some identifiable degree

this might be a reasonable starting point to help highlight the need for funding link acquisition with a "3rd party fees" budget


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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 10:51:59 AM »
I would suggest to them that they will gain a better return on investment by buying quality links. I presume they are paying for your time to gain free links for them, if so then you could explain it this way, they pay you x amount per hour to build up lesser value links to the point where 1 well sought link will be more effective than the 100 free ones they have paid yourself to source and build, so what they pay out for the link initially they save in time. It is a cost benefit ratio, it probably costs them more to concentrate on gaining free links than it would be to buy the effective ones.

If they still don't get it I agree with mr gimp dump them, they just don't get it!

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 11:08:19 AM »
Dr Gimp, Leona!

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 05:17:36 PM »
The problem with the argument is the math is lacking.  No one here besides Jason really touched on it when he said, 'chart yourself against them'... he's saying if you don't have absolute numbers, show relative ones.  

Make up some sort of grid and show all the components (on page ranking criteria, sheer amount of indexable content/products, whatever you want) and then do a link analysis, even by hand, and say, 'to get us in the zone, everything being equal, we need to have more/higher quality links than them too, and here is what they have... so to beat them I need X little ones, or Y med ones, or Z big ones, or some combo in between, and based on simple math, it appears this <insert right answer> is the most cost efficient way to accomplish what you want to do.'
« Last Edit: January 13, 2011, 05:53:21 PM by dogboy »

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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 05:42:37 PM »
I can't speak for Grnidone but I suspect its one of those situations where logic doesn't work. The client has said 'I'm not buying links" and you have explained the maths of the costs but they know Google says don't buy links so they're not doing it. In that situation you can prove competitors do it, suggest a micro site to do it on, show them free links that are 'worse' than paid ones in Googles eyes, threaten to sack them or bring in a hypnotist - you won't change their mind and your options are lie, sack them or do it their way.


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Re: How do you Convince the client they must BUY links?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 07:16:58 PM »
We do the following:

* given them a detailed report on what the competition are doing (as per DB's post), detailing the obvious paid links where they exist.
* explained the risk factor in buying links.
* explained that Google allows you to report them.
* explained that quite often nothing much happens if you do
* given them the choice:
    - let us buy links, or
    - pay us to analyse and then report the competition who are buying links, or
    - accept that you will need to pay us more to do it the hard way, or
    - set your sites lower

Most choose the to pay us more to do it the hard way - which is fine by us.