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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 26, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
While we are talking, does anyone know anything about Wotbox.com?  It was a spidering engine I wonder if they are still active? 

Also Exalead?

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 26, 2018, 03:46:01 PM »
>mojeek.com

For a relatively small DB the results I got were pretty good.  Some of the warhorses were missing but everyone displays them because they are copying the Google serps as much as they can. mojeek is ranking for itself which brings up interesting stuff that are just as relevant as the warhorses.

This all makes me wonder if good metasearch engines might make a comeback?  Part of what killed metasearch was all the engines and directories died so it was just Google and Bing and engines using Bing, not very interesting.  But with Gigablast (open source) and mojeek, Yandex and others combined with Bing maybe it's time to revisit the viability of metasearch.  (DDG is really just a blended metasearch anyway.)

In this thread: http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/new-sighting-'duck-duck'-as-a-verb/  we talk about searx.me an open source meta search engine that is pretty good and hackable.  Something like that might be interesting.  I wish I had the knowledge to install and maintain the script because I'd put it on a server, I guess for no other reason than to say I was back into search again.   8)  Or maybe bribe littleman to put a searx instance up on th3core so we don't get tracked by The Man.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 26, 2018, 12:17:41 AM »
>mojeek.com

BoL thanks for posting that.  I had no idea Mojeek was still around.  I do have a dim memory of it from years ago, back when I was paying attention to search in general.  I think Chris Ridings might have interviewed the owner or he stopped into comment on a thread about early ver. 1 mojeek on SearchGuild forums.

Anyway, it is neat somebody else is out there spidering, respects privacy and is doing it from the UK.

I see they even have site search. Nice.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 25, 2018, 10:00:53 PM »
>Hotbot

Pure Bing feed.  Just looked side by side.  Except for some things which get inset on bing like photos, the organic results and the order, are the same.

That is not a bad thing.  It's a good clean serp with no advertising.  Win!

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 25, 2018, 08:17:28 PM »
littleman, that is a fantastic idea. Hat's off to you.  I've never registered at Reddit so i really don't pay attention to the vote stuff.

In addition to that, I've always thought there was value in a human reviewed directory of websites.  Curated.  I always thought that there needed to be a way to blend that in to the algo of a search engine along with other factors but the Reddit part never would have come to my mind.

>on-site data

This is the problem with dmoz and it's successors: the way we searched dmoz had only site name, short description, category for data. That is about like using meta tags to search a 3 million site DB. Not very useful.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 25, 2018, 06:16:47 PM »
I have no idea who bought HotBot. Was surprised by the clean search result set though, as typically crawling & indexing is expensive, and most the search engines that could license such data usually want you to eat their ads with the organics. Google even did away with offering a paid ad-free site search service.

Hotbot has to be using, Bing, Yandex or Gigablast or a blend, there is nobody else out there.  (They might be getting a feed from DDG but I can't imagine why.)  I haven't really compared the serps with Hotbot so I'm speculating.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 23, 2018, 02:20:16 PM »
aaron: thanks for your post.  So much new info and good observations.

>directories

They had their day and it is largely over.  I see two scenarios left for directories that would be run as hobbies not for profit. 1. local geo specific search, especially in secondary tourist markets. Use the owner's local knowledge to blow away anything an algo might try to do. Boots on the ground promotion, fliers in local restaurants sort of thing. Don't be dependent on Google.  2. Indieweb and blog subjects.   The Indieweb movement is not hostile to search engines but they aim to have discovery that does not depend on silos and gatekeepers. I don't think they really care about Google listings or rankings. It's about the fun and quality of words and thoughts and open source code that they care about.  You won't make a dime with either hobby only, but I still believe helping people navigate the web is worthwhile.

>Curilie

This is news to me.  I'm glad somebody is giving it a try if for no other reason than they would make a good starter crawl for new search engines.  Things that provide legit web navigation independent of Google are good.

>new search engine

I was musing about this last night.  http://bradfordenslen.com/2018/05/22/provided-that-i.html  If that reminds you of Duckduckgo, that's because it is what I suspect they are doing. It may only be a contingency plan like how Apple kept an Intel version of OSX secretly in dev for years just in case IBM abandoned chip making.  If I were DDG, I would not be spending all the time and money building a search site and brand upon something as ephemeral as Bing. (DDG is really a meta-search: mostly Bing, some Yandex, some their own small crawl with Amazon, Wikipedia, Wikihow and others rolled in.)  I'd have a plan B and C.  And I just have a suspicion that starting their own index, is either DDG's secret endgame or in their contingency plans.

>Hotbot

I was making notes about Inktomi the other day and I could not remember the name Hotbot.  It's kinda neat they are back. Nice clean SERP for now.  They toned down the color scheme.  hhh  The privacy search niche is growing. Any word on who owns them?

>Gigablast

I thought it was long dead.  I know the owner made the Gigablast script Open Source.




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Water Cooler / Re: Bacon, a## and a Cat
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:39:12 AM »
There's a cat?

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Marketing / Re: Adobe to buy Magento Commerce for $1.68 billion
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:38:17 AM »
aaron I had to read that several times before it came together. It wasn't you, it was my pre-morning coffee brain.  Thanks for explaining it.

The parts I found interesting is Amazon expanding their ad reach and both Amz and Adobe trying to compete in the online ad racket.  Competition is good.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 22, 2018, 07:58:35 PM »
If Marissa Meyer had been able to get Yahoo out of their contract with Bing and start their own spidering engine again I had hoped they would revive the AltaVista name.

Infoseek got borged by the Mouse, but the name has been out of circulation so long only us geezers remember it so you could reuse it and all the kids would think it is new and shiny.

Excite and Lycos are still trying to be portals.  To bad somebody does not try something new in search with them.

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Water Cooler / Re: Bacon, a## and a Cat
« on: May 22, 2018, 05:20:31 PM »
I think this nails it, ukgimp.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 22, 2018, 01:12:33 AM »
>wizard

Back then you were, LM.

That was a really cool setup.  And I bet it was fun, at least in retrospect.  I never was anywhere near that class. Strictly low tech.

I completely forgot about Direct Hit until you mentioned it.

This was the site I used in the early days to submit URL's.  http://www.selfpromotion.com/  I'm amazed even a static version is still around.  It got me started.

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Water Cooler / Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 22, 2018, 12:13:13 AM »
Oh and I miss Searchhippo.  hhh 

I actually used the HipRank API in one of my directories.  Sites were listed  in the categories by HipRank order.  Well use of the API was free.  It was my little joke on the Google Directory, but nobody understood it (plus it wasn't very good) so I eventually ditched it.  :D

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Water Cooler / I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« on: May 21, 2018, 11:11:49 PM »
I kinda miss submitting sites to 1,500 to 5000 "search engines".  My email inbox used to be jammed with spam asking me to submit my sites or buy some software that would submit for me.  It has been a long time since the last one of those emails.

I also miss directory optimization: where we would craft a title and description for Yahoo, dmoz and Looksmart that contained the keywords we needed without sounding or looking commercial or spammy and hope it got past the editors.

But I would kind of like to at least have the option to submit my URL's to a few (maybe 5, please) major search engines besides Google.  That would be rip snorting good fun. 

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Water Cooler / Re: Spherical-earth deniers!
« on: May 19, 2018, 05:29:33 PM »
Sorry gm66, but I'm overjoyed that isn't taking place in America.  We have a surplus of crackpots.

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