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 on: Today at 10:39:19 PM 
Started by ukgimp - Last post by littleman
Uber to buy 24,000 Volvo cars for driverless fleet

Uber has entered an agreement to buy thousands of cars from Volvo to prepare a fleet of fully driverless on-demand vehicles, in a significant acceleration of the ride-hailing company’s ambitions in the area.

The US company already has about 200 Volvo sport utility vehicles fitted with its self-driving systems taking part in tests in Pittsburgh, San Francisco and Tempe, Arizona.

The new deal will see Uber purchase up to 24,000 XC90 vehicles between 2019 and 2021 in a deal worth potentially $1.4bn for the Chinese-owned carmaker, according to Financial Times calculations.

Uber will buy the specialised vehicles from Volvo, then add its own sensor array to the roof of the car and operate them — potentially without the need for a human behind the wheel — as part of the Uber network.

The announcement comes just two weeks after Waymo, the self-driving unit of Google’s parent Alphabet, declared it was launching fully driverless cars in a pilot in Phoenix, Arizona — a milestone no one else has passed in the industry.

Uber and Volvo committed last year to invest $300m to develop an autonomous-ready vehicle, an agreement that included joint engineering work to develop the systems that would make Volvo’s cars ready for self-driving.

The flagship XC90 SUVs already being used for the technology group’s self-driving tests in the US cannot be driven without a human safety driver because they do not have redundant braking and steering systems, Uber said. The new vehicles will be designed with specialised back-up systems that will allow them to operate without a human.

“In a self-driving world there is no human, so you need redundant steering and braking and actuation systems, such that if there is an electrical or mechanical failure, the back-up system can kick in,” said Jeff Miller, Uber’s head of automotive partnerships.

He added that the figure of 24,000 was a “best guess” of how many cars Uber would need initially, with a “lot of variability” given regulations and the growth of Uber’s business.

A key question facing Uber is whether it would own and operate autonomous cars, which would mean high capital costs and upending its asset-light business model, or whether third parties would manage the autonomous cars through the Uber app.

The company is testing both business models, and has a partnership with Germany’s Daimler that will see autonomous cars owned by the automaker available through the Uber app.

The Volvo agreement opens a wholly new revenue stream for the carmaker as it positions itself to become a supplier to the robo ride-hailing industry as well as a traditional automaker.

“Our aim is to be the supplier of choice for autonomous drive, ride-sharing service providers globally,” said Hakan Samuelsson, Volvo Cars chief executive.

Several manufacturers have struck deals with ride-hailing services in the hope of securing future business and working together to develop self-driving technology. General Motors and Jaguar Land Rover have both invested in Uber’s US rival Lyft, while Volkswagen has backed European rival Gett.

Uber’s agreement with Volvo is non-exclusive, meaning it is free to choose other carmakers to supply vehicles and Volvo is allowed to sell its vehicles to other ride-hailing providers.

At least one other deal is being pursued by the carmaker, according to one person familiar with the matter.

 on: Today at 10:26:04 PM 
Started by ukgimp - Last post by Drastic
Paywall link. wtf is it?

 on: Today at 09:29:02 PM 
Started by ukgimp - Last post by littleman
24k!   Shocked  Going all in.

I am guessing that one driverless car is probably a bit more than two full time employees as they won't all be running 24 hours a day.

Prediction: Lyft signs a deal with Tesla in the near future.  Or, Tesla buys Lyft.

 on: Today at 09:19:14 PM 
Started by ukgimp - Last post by ukgimp

 on: Today at 07:09:10 PM 
Started by nffc - Last post by littleman
"bet on the innovators, not the forecasters"

-- Ramez Naam
(good lecture on the rise of alternative energy)

 on: Today at 06:59:57 PM 
Started by rcjordan - Last post by Rupert
Yes, to catch those driving without insurance

Driverless will just be taxis/uber/leased.  Insurance will be tied to the purchase rent imho.

They will take all the fun out of it.

 on: Today at 06:48:05 PM 
Started by Rupert - Last post by rcjordan
> Google got their sh## together with mapping

I'd say it kicked into high gear when they got crowdsourcing with Waze.  Waze 'royal' users (to use CaboWabo's terminology) can go in and directly edit maps and their editing is validated pretty quickly --stuff like moving off-ramps after DOT construction.

 on: Today at 06:43:50 PM 
Started by Rupert - Last post by ergophobe
It used to be that everyone was buying from the same two sources, including Google, and they were all equally bad. If people plugged in our address, it would deliver them to a massive retaining wall about a mile from our house.

At a certain point, Google had enough data (5-6 years ago??) that they decided to depend on their data. For a while it was *abysmal* Absolutely awful in our area. They were depending on things like where people tagged photos and a lot of people were tagging longitude and lattitude round to two decimal places, which for a lot of landmarks put them essentially at our house and 10-20 miles from their actual destination. When I would work in the yard, I would field questions all day long.

Finally, Google got their sh## together with mapping and is way better and way more up to date than Garmin sources. It tok another few *years* for Garmin to remap the addresses in our area so that they were actually within a reasonable margin of error.

 on: Today at 06:39:12 PM 
Started by ergophobe - Last post by ergophobe
I find it intreguing that bp232y  seems to have an autogen name.  His/her time at the company is so short and irrelevant, that someone cannot even be bothered to name them.

I was wondering about that. I also think there are other possibilities
 - so many that they need individual codes to avoid namespace collisions
 - protect privacy of employees who might be hunted down and assaulted if their privacy weren't protected.

 on: Today at 06:25:44 PM 
Started by rcjordan - Last post by ergophobe
I have resetplug installed on the power for the cable modem and also the router.

Ditto (though different model of Nighthawk). I used to have to futz with the routers after every power outage. We recently had the phone lines go down for a couple of days and I did have to reset the router and realized it's the first time I've gone into the storage area to look at it since I added the reset plug

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