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ukgimp

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List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« on: October 16, 2018, 09:48:15 AM »
Pages banned by Facebook. Whilst many are irksome it's not really fr## sp##ch is it :-(

https://www.westernjournal.com/facebook-purge-list-pages-deleted/

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2018, 11:57:51 AM »
fr## sp##ch - being free to speak your mind is one thing, but does it follow that others are obliged to help you say it?


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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2018, 01:09:01 PM »
I'm torn on this issue, but ultimately side with the site owner when making a business decision about their coverage.  BW is right in that the site, in this case FB, isn't stopping the speech itself but stopping the use of its reach --which it was hard-fought to establish and is ultimately its key asset.

We made this same decision as mods or admins when we nuked someone for violating the TOS.

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2018, 06:30:08 PM »
fr## sp##ch - being free to speak your mind is one thing, but does it follow that others are obliged to help you say it?

The question that is getting raised lately, is when you are in a monopoly/monopsony economy, do you have to change the rules a bit?

In other words, does a right to fr## sp##ch give you the right to put anything you want on The Core? Of course not.

When you have an utterly dominant platform that has eaten (Instagram) or destroyed (MySpace, G+, arguably Twitter) every other platform, are you more like AT&T than like the New York Times?

To some extent, the platforms have been saying they are like AT&T when it comes to responsibility for policing content on the platform, but like NYT when it comes to freedom from regulation by public utilities commissions.

By the way, I don't mean those as rhetorical questions (except the one about The Core). I am not very informed on the subject and don't have strong opinions. I'm just saying those are the types of questions I've seen out there.

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2018, 08:30:51 PM »
A lot if not all of those articles are written by people who don't have a grasp of SMO and they are incapable of understanding what is actually happening or reporting it accurately.

This is Not About Free Speech - It's About Spam

To compound the problem, the Alt Right is hijacking the discussion and inserting a false narrative.

What really happened is that these websites were taking advantage of Facebook's current algorithm that rewards engagement. If a post shows engagement signals like discussions and shares then the reach of that post is extended to friends, friends of friends and friends of friends of friends, etc.

I had a long running post from a year ago get resurrected and because of the engagement metrics, Facebook started showing it at the top of the news feed for everybody in my network and the discussion started all over again, lol. That's how the algo is working now.

Previously the SMO MO was to create an image/video that got shared and liked but did not engage. FB's new algo killed that business model.

These people who got banned were manipulating the algo by creating highly engaging political content. Stuff that gets people pissed off. 

Where it gets spammy is the hundreds of fake FB accounts and pages they created in order to manufacture Fake Engagement Signals. So when they make a post they begin creating fake engagement signals to push the post to the top of everyone's news feed. From there the natural algorithm takes over.

Facebook acknowledged that they were banning the spammers based on their behavior. It was the behavior patterns that gave their click farm scheme away.

The motive is to get thousands of people to click through to the web page and create ad impressions on their ad farms.

Facebook banning these spammers has nothing to do with Free Speech. It's everything to do with algorithm manipulation.

I wrote about this here:
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/facebook-spam/273823/
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 08:39:17 PM by martinibuster »

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 01:07:13 PM »
OK, I covered two points.

Agree FB can do what they want as can any platform.

Disagree with people going to jail for not much at all, for stuff that is not even illegal.

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 02:39:36 PM »
>jail

I *think* it started with the holocaust-denier laws in Germany. Then anti-Semitic hate-speech laws in the pro-Israel governments.  Once the precedent set in, it was easily applied to the developing civil rights anti-discrimination era.

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2018, 10:12:54 PM »

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Re: List of Banned Facebook Page - The Purge
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2018, 12:20:58 AM »
>false narrative.

We're still trying to catch up on this one.  For every agent of a lie there are countless believing them and spreading disinformation.  Tribalism and nihilism are also part of the problem as some are knowingly spreading false narratives just to hurt thew other side (see Pizzagate or QAnon).


>jail for not much at all

That UK trans issue points to a difference in UK/Canadian/EU law and the US.  We tend to think freedom of speech should be protected unless one could prove that a particular speech caused tangible harm -- like shouting fire in a theater or advocating violence.   For now at least, the First Amendment is protecting us from laws that criminalizing ideas.

A good read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions