The Core
Why We Are Here => Traffic => Topic started by: Drastic on June 01, 2023, 09:11:52 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/13x9sy7/now_that_reddit_are_killing_3rd_party_apps_on/
3rd party api access now costs in the millions.
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You might be right. There was a great migration from digg to reddit when people got fed up with the changes at digg. I've read that their IPO is right around the corner.
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Fidelity cuts Reddit valuation by 41% | TechCrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/fidelity-reddit-valuation/
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Debbie says Desperation API is likely to fail at scale.
I built an alternative Reddit API to help devs save costs : Save3rdPartyApps
https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/141brdi/i_built_an_alternative_reddit_api_to_help_devs/
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*IF* big tech is using /r's massive data hoard to, say, train GPTs then I think reddit has a good reason to charge. Here's the 1st article I saw on the api fee back in April before everything hit the proverbial fan.
Reddit Wants to Get Paid for Helping to Teach Big A.I. Systems - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/technology/reddit-ai-openai-google.html
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I really don't care about the loss of Apollo and such because I roll my own rendering with TM.
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Twitter and Netflix were supposed to collapse due to their changes. Trouble is, their users are addicted.
Netflix's password sharing crackdown seems to be working | Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-seems-to-be-working-151023478.html
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Some subreddits are still shutting down but a run through my news, science, and medical subs found them to be diminished yet still usable.
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My curated subs (homepage feed) are mostly dead. The only thing running are small, special interest subs. Quite a boring read.
/all was pretty defaced this morning. Still so but not as bad, 4 of the top7 are about the blackout.
I'm surprised they haven't taken over control, so it appears admin plans to just wait this out.
There feels like a real opportunity here for the right tech at the right time.
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scroll down.
Indefinite Blackout: Next Steps, Polling Your Community, and Where We Go From Here : ModCoord
https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinite_blackout_next_steps_polling_your/
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And here we go...
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I lost about a dozen subs that I scan without login. Of those, about half turned their lights back on already.
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There is a little sub I moderate because I like the topic and the five other mods have largely abandoned it. The sub was getting a lot of spam and I didn't want to see it turn to sh##. Anyway, one of the inactive mods came in and closed it down without consulting anyone else. I let that stand for the initial protest, but I've since reopened the sub. I found it irritating because the mod hasn't done any housekeeping in years and just came in to brigade and leave,
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Reddit Goes Nuclear, Removes Moderators of Subreddits That Continued To Protest | PCMag
https://www.pcmag.com/news/reddit-goes-nuclear-removes-moderators-of-subreddits-that-continued-to
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Yeah, I'm very curious how this will all end up. The Reddit management should remember what happened to Digg.
Some are posting lemmy.world (https://lemmy.world/) as an alternative.
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Reddit Is Already on the Rebound | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/story/reddit-is-already-on-the-rebound/
Just like Twitter.
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>>Just like Twitter.
Sure, but what I really want to know is whether Steve Huffman is planning to fight the winner of the Musk-Zuck bout
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How Reddit crushed the biggest protest in its history - The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/23779477/reddit-protest-blackouts-crushed
Reddit Ramps Up Its Threats To Protesting Mods, As Ad Buyers Leave | Techdirt
https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/29/reddit-ramps-up-its-threats-to-protesting-mods-as-ad-buyers-leave/
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https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/14n9bsz/tomorrow_reddits_api_changes_come_into_effect_how/
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Re: twitter
>By Similarweb's count, Twitter saw a 7.7% traffic year-over-year drop in March alone. In addition, Twitter's unique visitor web count dropped 3.3% year over year in March. The Twitter Android app's average daily active users were down 9.8% in March, with monthly active users down 8% year over year. Within the US, monthly active users were down 14% on Android and 15% on iOS.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-seeing-record-user-engagement-the-data-tells-a-different-story/
Now you have to be logged in to see anything, I can't imagine that's going to make things better.
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Reddit Won’t Be the Same. Neither Will the Internet | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/story/reddit-api-changes-ai-labor/
Reading the title, I thought that the article would be about the hundreds of sites --from major news sites to individual blogs-- that use reddit as an "idea feed" or just plain lift/rewrite /r content. This practice is probably more visible on my high-volume article feed system, but I've seen it for a couple of years now. Usually, there's a one- or two-day lag.
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Reddit plays the NSFW card....
You Can't Look at Porn on Any Reddit Third-Party App Now
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvjmq/you-cant-look-at-porn-on-any-reddit-third-party-app-now
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It seems like most subs are back, with a few notables missing or changed like bestof. However, quality and volume seem to have tanked at least somewhat without 3rd party apps.
My feed is usually refreshed with new posts/content a couple times per day. Now it's maybe a day or more.
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> with a few notables missing or changed like bestof. However, quality and volume seem to have tanked
Debbie agrees.
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Still playing the NSFW card...
Reddit now explicitly allows AI-generated porn depicting fictional characters - The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/6/21525998/reddit-ai-porn-fictional-characters-carveout-sexual-images
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The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
https://gizmodo.com/reddit-news-blackout-protest-is-finally-over-reddit-won-1850707509
I follow a 3d printing subreddit that moved to kbin/lemmy. About 2 weeks after it moved, users started posting in the original /r while posts on kbin started to dwindle. Currently, **both** are barely active and not really worth a visit except once or twice a month. So the move was a lose-lose event.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/reddit-strikes-60-million-deal-allowing-google-train-107461612
Reddit strikes $60M deal allowing Google to train AI models on its posts, unveils IPO plans - ABC News
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Ahead of IPO, Reddit blends advertising into user posts
https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/16/reddit_promoted_posts/
The enshitification continues.
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>enshitification
...something, something "ad-infested flows"
I'm hoping Tmonkey will be able to salvage some of it. So far, so good when used along with old.reddit
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Saw this in the feeds lasst night;
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/reddit-reveals-ftc-inquiry-deals-licensing-users-data-108171386
Reddit reveals FTC inquiry into deals licensing its users' data for AI training - ABC News
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/20/facebook-twitter-reddit-rubbish-ipo
First it was Facebook, then Twitter. Is Reddit about to become rubbish too? | Hussein Kesvani | The Guardian
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Can the Great Enshittification be turned around?
It seems like the enshittification of the American car was genuinely turned around by competition from Japan and American cars generally have higher quality control than in the 1970s, at least in the basic mechanical systems.
Even the enshittification of Windows responded well to competition and Ballmer leaving. I think Windows is a very usable OS these days.
Absent a major existential threat, however, I can't think of a case where enshittification ever got turned around.
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>Enshittification
Different space, but it is happening in Amazon too. A growing percentage of AMZ is becoming an AliExpress mirror and at the same time they are tweaking the system to take ever more percentage of the seller's margins. It won't be long until the mom&pop's selling their niches are gone all together and all that's left are 95% direct from China and 5% brand names.
I guess the question should be asked: Can a mass market, for profit web space ever maintain quality? I honestly can't think of one at the moment. They all either go under or turn to sh## over time.
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>>happening in Amazon too
It was in Cory's article about Amazon that he invented the term "enshittification." In his opinion, for the reasons you have mentioned here and elsewhere, Amazon is the canonical case of enshittification, though he thinks Apple is not far behind.
He has particular hatred for Amazon and Apple because they use their monopoly power to push prices up by forcing deals where people cannot charge less than they charge on those platforms and then enforcing roughly a 30% commission when it is all tallied up, that means that even a business that sells on their own site has to sell for 30% more.
I always wondered why Amazon didn't just let me buy a Kindle book on the iPhone app. Now I know: they would have to raise prices by at least 30% to people who want to buy through the app.
In addition, those commissions mean that any product that only has a 25% margin can't even be brought to market in the first place.
And, as you have highlighted, since you're stuck with the marketplace, most people who sell on Amazon are forced to advertise on Amazon.
Anyway, I could go on telling you things you already know, but yes, not only is it happening in Amazon too, Amazon is so bad it is responsible for the very idea of enshittification.
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The Amazon website has become so filled with advertising garbage it's now a chore to shop there where it used to be a good experience.
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>The Amazon website has become so filled with advertising garbage it's now a chore to shop there where it used to be a good experience.
Right! And they do stuff like force people to spend PPC to get traffic and then place ads on the product landing page to grab secondary PPC traffic from another vendor. It's like an Inception of ads.
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We have a Firestick and for years, if you let it go to screensaver, you got beautiful photos from around the world. We used to get entranced sometimes just taking a photo tour of the world.
I noticed last night that it now shows ads. I haven't let it go to screensaver in a long time, so maybe it's been going on for a couple of years. But it blew me away how long it took them to enshittify the screen saver. As someone has said here before, any un-monetized flat space will eventually get filled with an ad.