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ergophobe

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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2024, 02:48:57 AM »
Can the Great Enshittification be turned around?

It seems like the enshittification of the American car was genuinely turned around by competition from Japan and American cars generally have higher quality control than in the 1970s, at least in the basic mechanical systems.

Even the enshittification of Windows responded well to competition and Ballmer leaving. I think Windows is a very usable OS these days.

Absent a major existential threat, however, I can't think of a case where enshittification ever got turned around.

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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2024, 05:13:14 PM »
>Enshittification

Different space, but it is happening in Amazon too.  A growing percentage of AMZ is becoming an AliExpress mirror and at the same time they are tweaking the system to take ever more percentage of the seller's margins.  It won't be long until the mom&pop's selling their niches are gone all together and all that's left are 95% direct from China and 5% brand names.

I guess the question should be asked:  Can a mass market, for profit web space ever maintain quality?  I honestly can't think of one at the moment.  They all either go under or turn to sh## over time.

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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2024, 07:45:06 PM »
>>happening in Amazon too

It was in Cory's article about Amazon that he invented the term "enshittification." In his opinion, for the reasons you have mentioned here and elsewhere, Amazon is the canonical case of enshittification, though he thinks Apple is not far behind.

He has particular hatred for Amazon and Apple because they use their monopoly power to push prices up by forcing deals where people cannot charge less than they charge on those platforms and then enforcing roughly a 30% commission when it is all tallied up, that means that even a business that sells on their own site has to sell for 30% more.

I always wondered why Amazon didn't just let me buy a Kindle book on the iPhone app. Now I know: they would have to raise prices by at least 30% to people who want to buy through the app.

In addition, those commissions mean that any product that only has a 25% margin can't even be brought to market in the first place.

And, as you have highlighted, since you're stuck with the marketplace, most people who sell on Amazon are forced to advertise on Amazon.

Anyway, I could go on telling you things you already know, but yes, not only is it happening in Amazon too, Amazon is so bad it is responsible for the very idea of enshittification.

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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2024, 09:31:10 PM »
The Amazon website has become so filled with advertising garbage it's now a chore to shop there where it used to be a good experience.

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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2024, 11:19:16 PM »
>The Amazon website has become so filled with advertising garbage it's now a chore to shop there where it used to be a good experience.

Right!  And they do stuff like force people to spend PPC to get traffic and then place ads on the product landing page to grab secondary PPC traffic from another vendor. It's like an Inception of ads.


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Re: Reddit, the beginning of the end.
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2024, 12:58:09 AM »
We have a Firestick and for years, if you let it go to screensaver, you got beautiful photos from around the world. We used to get entranced sometimes just taking a photo tour of the world.

I noticed last night that it now shows ads. I haven't let it go to screensaver in a long time, so maybe it's been going on for a couple of years. But it blew me away how long it took them to enshittify the screen saver. As someone has said here before, any un-monetized flat space will eventually get filled with an ad.