Author Topic: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale  (Read 3050 times)

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 07:14:05 PM »
>>Fake meat and seafood

I tried one of the new fake burgers a while back just to see how it was. It looked a lot more like ground beef than the traditional veggie burgers, it was oddly juicy, and it had the texture that could somewhat remind you of ground beef. But it still tasted terrible until it was drowned in condiments and toppings. http://completecarnivore.com/beyond-meat-can-meatless-burger-actually-good/ is the review of it I wrote up.

That said it was much, much closer to real meat than most of the alternative burgers I have tasted.  I would never choose one in lieu of a real burger but if a vegan invited me over and this was what they served I could cover it in enough stuff to make it palatable.

I can see them doing a better job of replicating shrimp, fish, and other seafood than beef. Seems like the texture and flavor would be easier to replicate.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 11:54:18 AM »
>veggy since

Generation Z is creating a $5 billion market for fake meat and seafood

http://www.businessinsider.com/generation-z-is-eating-fake-meat-2017-10

They better watch it, 99% of all Soya is now GM. Quorn is good, just mycoprotein.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 03:41:24 PM »
Quorn is good, just mycoprotein.

I was just eating some last night and thinking I wanted to know more about it nutritionally (amino acid profile). Haven't looked into it yet, but I like the "cutlets."

Personally, I don't care if my fake "meat" tastes like meat (actually, I tend to prefer veggie burgers that are more "veggie" and less "burger"). So that's not one of my criteria. I really like Quorn. Whether it tastes like chicken, I couldn't say, since I haven't eaten chicken in 35 years and *never* liked it. I ate it when my mom made me.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 03:47:16 PM »
I like some of the Morning Star burgers, too bad they are full of sodium.

Never heard of Quorn.

I don't care if it comes from mycoprotein, but some do.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2017/09/quorn-agrees-to-change-labels-to-reveal-main-ingredient-is-mold/

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 04:32:27 PM »
>too bad they are full of sodium.

I am not sure if you are still doing keto, but sodium tends to be more of a friend when you are under 30 grams of carbs a day.  You're probably not eating them while low carbing, though it looks like it would be possible as they seem to be about 10 carbs each.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 05:36:49 PM »
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they thought “mycoprotein” was made from “mushrooms, truffles and morels.”

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Quorn’s packaging describes mycoprotein as “mushroom in origin” and a “small, unassuming member of the mushroom family,” when according to fungus experts, Quorn’s vat-grown fungus is only distantly related to mushrooms.

Which is slightly amusing (not the people going to the emergency room part) because I didn't look that closely at the package and I assume it was made from some vat-grown fungus that was not a mushroom, in part because I generally dislike mushrooms, but actually do like Quorn.

This does highlight a problem for all the fake meats though: there is a basic market problem
 - they are pricier now than real meat, so people on a budget are not going there
 - they aren't meat, so people who like meat and have no issue with eating it aren't going there
 - they are highly processed food, so people who want a more whole foods diet aren't going there (describes a very large number of vegetarians)

Who's left? The small set of vegans who eat Oreos and all manner of crap, but won't eat animal products. And in the case of Quorn, which has some egg in it, they lose even that market.

Which brings us back to local farmers raising pigs sustainably and butchering them in the public square (which would make meat super expensive, BTW, something not yet mentioned)

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2017, 06:23:36 PM »
>>which would make meat super expensive

Most of the time I still eat standard grocery store/butcher shop meat. It is fine and does the job. But if I want a really good steak or high quality brisket or ribs there is definitely a taste and quality difference if you buy from a good source. Snake River Farms and Crowd Cow are two of my favorites. Every piece of meat I have had from Snake River Farms has been amazing. Yeah, you will spend a LOT more than you would at the grocery store but you can definitely taste the quality. A nice, prime ribeye will run $40 where they are only $11 at my local butcher.

But places like Snake River and Crowd Cow are definitely much more sustainable than the huge factory farms and I can see meat production shifting back toward smaller operations like that. Those places aren't quite to the level of butchering in the public square but they are much smaller and much more sustainable operations. Yeah, it will require people to eat less meat overall but the meat they do eat will be much higher quality.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2017, 06:54:29 PM »
Yeah, you will spend a LOT more than you would at the grocery store

A friend grew up in a household where they had tight budgets and did some subsistence farming to stay afloat. They had cattle and every year would slaughter a steer. When he was 16, he was invited to a friend's house and they served some sort of meat. John asked "What kind of meat is this?"

His friend said, "Hello. That's steak." John thought they were pulling his leg. Store meat (factory farmed store meat) tasted so different from the beef he was raised on, he couldn't believe it was the same animal. In the years I've told that story, a few other people who were raised similarly confirmed that was their experience as well when they first had factory-raised, grain-fed beef.

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Re: 0/10 on the Snowflake Scale
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2017, 01:13:37 AM »
>> tasted so different from the beef he was raised on

My grandfather and my uncles raised Hereford cattle and it is a rare thing these days to encounter a cut of meat as flavourful as what they produced.

The beasts that were intended for family freezers would get special feeding for several weeks before slaughter. I don't remember what that consisted of, though.