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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2020, 04:23:04 PM »
Bill Gates fan here.. sorry :)
In my humble opinion that video sucks on many levels.

There is no such thing as a Global Health monopoly.  And if there were thank god it's not with the US or any other governments.
I think The Gates Foundation is doing critical work that governments are failing to get done alone.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2020, 04:34:11 PM »
No need to be sorry, i don't apologise for disliking some of the things that the man has done.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2020, 09:08:16 PM »
I watched it, and it made want to dig up a little on the creator.  He seems to be a for profit Tin Foil Hat conspiracy pusher.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 03:27:33 AM »
Funny that this this world-changing philanthropy is framed as something bad. Almost everything that Corbett complains about here is something for which I admire Bill Gates and for doing something positive with his ill-gotten gains.

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Bill Gates has spent much of the past two decades transforming himself from software magnate into a benefactor of humanity through his own Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In fact, Gates has surpassed Rockefeller’s legacy with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation long having eclipsed The Rockefeller Foundation as the largest private foundation in the world, with $46.8 billion of assets on its books that it wields in its stated program areas of global health and development, global growth, and global policy advocacy.

That's a bad thing?

The near-eradication of polio has only happened because of the partnership between the Gates Foundation and Rotary International (I used to be in Rotary, for whom eliminating polio is a major priority, with Gates putting up more money than the combined efforts of Rotarians around the world). The Gates Foundation mandates an open access policy on all research they fund and they also make public all their donations, so you can see where all their money goes. Neither of those are true for many less open foundations.

Meanwhile, Corbett spends his energy and money denying climate change, railing about chemtrails and promoting "false flag" conspiracy theories about the Oklahoma City bombings.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 10:01:08 AM »
It's a multi-part series, so you have more to look forward to chaps ;+}

But seriously though, yes he has made massive donations, but he's made those donations to manoeuvre himself into a position to promote privatised health and privatised agriculture in Africa and India, while the farmers in those two countries want food and medicine independence (in Africa the farmers call it food sovereignty).

He pushes GM crops and even the privatisation of seed production, giving lots of money to Monsanto.

So he is doing some good things but his long-term effect is profit for the US and UK companies that he's in league with, who want to own the food and medicine markets in those countries, and the loss of independence for farmers, who eventually (i predict) won't even be able to save their own seeds. I predict this because this is the modern, corporate-agricultural model in the West.

In the UK farmers have to pay to use seeds they've saved from their own crops (section 9 of the plant varieties act 1997), in the US the situation is similar, but even worse if you use Monsanto seeds.

We all know about Microsoft's domestic and international tax-avoidance strategies so i won't go into that, and to be fair he's not alone there (Apple, Google, General Electric to name just 3), but why dodge taxes that would benefit your own country and those that you sell to?

Vaccination programmes, in the end it's all about pricing of course, and GAVI (the 'Vaccination Alliance') is dominated by corporate interests. They have something called Advance Market Commitment, a mechanism to ensure vaccines have a minimum fixed price once they are on the market. This acts as an incentive for the vaccine producers. This sounds good but it always results in overpriced vaccines, always. They've been heavily criticised by groups like Oxfam, who care about people rather than profit.

The IP rights for many vaccines are owned by a tiny minority of companies and this drives prices up even further, a few years ago Medecins sans Frontieres did a study which found that the cost of vaccinating a child had multiplied by 68 times over the previous 10 years, all due to privatisation and greed, to quote MSF :

“... mainly because a handful of big pharmaceutical companies are overcharging donors and developing countries for vaccines that already earn them billions of dollars in wealthy countries”.

There are many instances of Gates being dismissive when asked about overpricing of vaccines, even though the result is that the poor people he claims to want to help can't afford them.

I could go on and on, the food, medicine and water markets have intensely interested me for decades since they are so important, and to have so few in control of them is very dangerous, especially when they are profit-motivated and all in the same club.














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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2020, 10:31:23 AM »
Bill is a globalist.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2020, 01:55:02 PM »
Bill is a globalist.

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Yup. I've got nothing against a conscientious-capitalist globalism but there's no conscience in the current model, it's all about profit and control.
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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2020, 03:39:40 PM »
None of the info below is related to any of the crap conspiracy theories that are all over SM apparently.

Gates-supported polio vaccine causes more polio than wild polio :

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio?t=1596554059417

Details of Gates' support for the above : https://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Polio

A later report, showing that ~80% of polio cases are vaccine-derived :

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/12/19/what-is-vaccine-derived-polio

The later 2018 IJERP report that concludes nearly half a million people were paralysed due to oral polio vaccinations :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf











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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2020, 08:04:53 PM »
I was somehwat up on this at one point when I was a Rotary member, as Rotary's main initiative is polio eradication.

The problem with the live-virus oral polio vaccine (OPV) and vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) has been discussed for quite some time in public health circles. Contrary to what you seem to be implying, though, the number of polio victims, even accounting for the elevated risk, has been massively lower than the alternative.

However, there is an inflection point where risk of wild polio virus (WPV) cases does not justify the risk of the live-virus OPV and the super aggressive repeated vaccinations that are called for when facing a massive epidemic, and that is the problem that the paper you cite is addressing (and it is a real problem).

It's a risk/benefit calculation, not a verdict on whether live-virus OPV is harmful or helpful to humanity (immeasurably helpful on net) and does not apply to the IPV vaccine, which is not associated with these problems (to my knowledge).

Also, keep in mind, these are not 491,000 additional cases. The net is still massively lower with OPV vaccination than with no vaccination. The question is when you reach crossover for whether OPV is doing more good than IPV (not than no vaccine, which is not even up for debate, I'm sorry). For some years, people have been saying India has/had finally reached that point. But it asbolutely, definitely, was NOT there when Rotary and Gates began pouring money in to help bring the hyperepidemic under control.

This is much different from saying that the polio vaccine is bad or even that the OPV is bad.

 - the polio vaccine used in India during the period is the OPV, a live-virus, but attenuated, form of polio. It most certainly carries more risks, but is more effective, than the inactivated polio virus (IPV) that is used to maintain herd immunity in other places, like the US (and presumably the UK) since 2000. It's a question of risk/benefit. The mechanism is not certain, but it appears that the doses may be so high in India that even the attenuated form can colonise the gut and possibly then mutate and pass to others. It's a real public health issue, no question.

 - At least as early as 2013, the WHO called for beginning a transition away from the OPV to the IPV vaccine as worldwide incidence of polio decreases (as I mentioned, in the US and countries where polio was considered eradicated, this took place around 2000).

 - this study studies pulse vaccination where kids are getting 8-10 doses of live virus, compared to the 3 doses plus booster of inactivated virus that kids get in countries where polio is considered controlled or eradicated. After 2004, it was common in India to conduct 10 nationwide rounds of vaccination in a single year.

 - India was, at the time this started, "hyperepidemic" and accounted for 60% of all polio cases in the world.

 - Before this started, India saw 500-1000 cases of paralysis and death EVERY DAY due to polio.

For the 491,000 people who appear to have been afflicted in India due to the vaccine between 2000 and 2017, you have to stack that up against the 500-1000 cases daily in 1999. If you look at what the toll of that would have been, you get 3.3 million to 6.6 million cases. Also, you have to remember that those millions of cases are lower than might be since already before the all-out effort, a lot of Indians were being vaccinated, not just in the incredible numbers at the aggressive doses you see after 1999 (147,000,000 doses given out in a single day once).

The point of that paper is not that polio vaccination is bad, and definitely not a net ill, but that the hyper-aggressive pulse vaccination program with live virus is no longer warranted in India as the disease is no longer hyper-epidemic in India and that vaccine practices should transition to practices similar to in nations where polio is under control because, at a certain point, you hit crossover where the additional protection provided by live-virus is offset by the additional risks and the net number of polio cases is higher with OPV than with IPV vaccines.

Eradicating poliomyelitis: India's journey from hyperendemic to polio-free status (2013)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734678/

The conclusion in the abstract of the above paper gives a nice summary (WPV = wild polio virus)

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Elimination of WPVs with OPV is only phase 1 of polio eradication. India is poised to progress to phase 2, with introduction of inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV), switch from tOPV to bOPV and final elimination of all vaccine-related and vaccine-derived polioviruses. True polio eradication demands zero incidence of poliovirus infection, wild and vaccine.


Oral polio drops linked to paralysis in India
https://www.scidev.net/asia-pacific/disease/news/oral-polio-drops-linked-to-paralysis-in-india.html

Objective 2: Immunization systems strengthening and OPV withdrawal
http://polioeradication.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/PEESP_CH6_EN_US.pdf
http://polioeradication.org/who-we-are/strategic-plan-2013-2018/

Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis in India during 1999: decreased risk despite massive use of oral polio vaccine
https://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/en/80(3)210.pdf

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Objective Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) is a rare but serious consequence of the administration of oral polio vaccine (OPV). Intensified OPV administration has reduced wild poliovirus transmission in India but VAPP is becoming a matter of concern....

Data from the acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) surveillance system in Latin America showed an estimated VAPP risk of 1 case per 1.5–2.2 million doses administered in 1989–91 (6). These studies demonstrated that the risk was substantially increased following receipt of the first dose of OPV and that children with B-cell immunodeficiency disorders were at highest risk for VAPP


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_Polio
https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/polio-vaccine-ipv#1
https://web.archive.org/web/20070929090612/http://www.immunize.cpha.ca/english/consumer/consrese/pdf/Polio.pdf

And for another reference:

The Economist article you link to:
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The tally for 2018 shows a dramatic swing: 98 cases of vaccine-derived polio; 29 cases of the wild version. What is vaccine-derived polio?

Wikipedia
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At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_polio
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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2020, 01:41:43 AM »
Yes wild polio can also paralyse but what was detailed in those papers was the fact that they can prove whether the origin is wild or vaccine-derived.
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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 02:58:10 AM »
>> can prove whether the origin is wild or vaccine-derived.

That would be an interesting detail but we mustn't let it obscure the main thing that's critical here: how the total case count would compare, with vaccines versus without.

I was too young to know anyone who was killed by polio, but I know more than one person who survived it but was left with a lifelong limp or deformity.

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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 03:28:37 AM »
>> can prove whether the origin is wild or vaccine-derived.

That would be an interesting detail but we mustn't let it obscure the main thing that's critical here

I was under the impression, in the context of the OP, that being able to distinguish synthesised vs wild was a core part of the reasoning, not just an interesting detail, and it is also what actually constitutes the main thing you say we are potentially obscuring?
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Re: A Corbett report on Bill Gates.
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 05:33:30 AM »
>> it is also what actually constitutes the main thing you say we are potentially obscuring?

Please clarify that for me. I think I'm missing something here.