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Re: bedtime story
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2014, 10:50:11 PM »
lm I think along the same lines, it's just a matter of time.

I do feel the reality will be that the poor will more likely turn to crime/drugs and maybe organized crime at best. Homesteading is actual work, takes organization and planning and I don't think it will happen on a scale for it to work for the majority.

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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2014, 09:57:09 AM »
I'm not convinced that 40 acres and a mule will be enough to satisfy people.  These are modern minds and will require entertainments - bread and circuses to keep them quiet.

Markets can adjust.  Government regulations about employment, taxes, subsidies can all change.  But it might get ugly.

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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2014, 03:48:47 PM »
>the poor will more likely turn to crime/drugs

Lets be honest, we are already at that stage. Many parts of town we just ignore or don't drive through. We have already decided how we deal with the sick, lame and lazy.

The question is what we do when they are in the majority?

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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2014, 04:21:01 PM »
>The question is what we do when they are in the majority?
Exactly, that's the issue. That group is not going to change methods, but grow and continue on.

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Re: bedtime story
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2014, 03:40:49 PM »
This vid explains the problem pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2014, 09:15:23 PM »
>Lets be honest, we are already at that stage. Many parts of town we just ignore or don't drive through.

The above came to mind while I was reading this:

"Fort Lauderdale's ordinance took effect Friday, and the city passed a slew of laws addressing homelessness in recent months. They ban people from leaving their belongings unattended, outlaw panhandling at medians and strengthen defecation and urination laws, according to Michael Stoops, director of community organizing for the National Coalition for the Homeless.

"I've never seen a city pass so many laws in such a short period of time," said Stoops, who testified at a City Council hearing on the issue.

Other cities are conducting routine homeless sweeps while some have launched anti-panhandling campaigns, according to the coalition. And many laws continue to target public feedings.

In Houston, groups need written consent to feed the homeless in public, or they face a $2,000 fine. Organizations in Columbia, South Carolina, must pay $150 for a permit more than two weeks in advance to feed the homeless in city parks.

In Orlando, an ordinance requires groups to get a permit to feed 25 or more people in parks in a downtown district. Groups are limited to two permits per year for each park."

http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Feeding-the-homeless-Act-of-charity-or-a-crime-5875172.php

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Re: bedtime story
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2014, 09:36:17 PM »
Ft. lauderdale arrested a 90 year old man and two pastors for feeding the homeless.  For video.

http://youtu.be/qUeKlhpoF5o

That old man was arrested a number of years ago for feeding the homeless, the judge ruled the ordinance in place at that time unconstitutional.


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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2014, 07:33:29 AM »
seriously? things like that make me so angry.

Its a bit of a pity that some of those people gawking in the background didn't step in and carry on serving, to be honest.

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2014, 12:57:14 PM »
seriously? things like that make me so angry.

Its a bit of a pity that some of those people gawking in the background didn't step in and carry on serving, to be honest.


I hope more local clerics will and maybe even a bishop or two might get arrested for feeding the homeless in the next few weeks in an act of civil disobedience.


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Re: bedtime story
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2014, 01:09:43 PM »
We have tens of thousands of elementary school buildings standing empty for the evenng. Or churches --damn, in the South we have more Baptist churches than Maryland has liquor stores (that's a *LOT*, eurotrash).  We need to use them to help.

But I'm conflicted on the use of parks. Don't get me wrong, but it's sort of like feeding the pigeons. I know of one park that has essentially become a trash-filled hangout because the churches fed the homeless there.

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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2014, 05:04:45 PM »
agreed, these thngs should happen in an appropriate place, or even better, these people shouldn't be homeless.

But on the balance of all things, unless they are handing out things in wrappers, all that they're doing is moving the same amount of litter from somewhere else to the park (in itself, feeding people there doesn't make more litter, just changes where they drop it) so is it a better use of public money to pay for police to arrest people, or to pay for community workers to manage a community payback schemen to pick up the concentration of litter? Or divert a couple of the pavement cleaners to the park.

I know thats simplistic, but the solution to homelessness isn't laws to make people even less cared for :(

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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2014, 06:09:40 PM »
> laws to make people even less cared for

'Out of sight and out of mind' (and not out of my budget) is what these laws are trying to do.  But if this thread is on-target, as I believe it is, the problem is going to increase to the point where it won't stay hidden.

>simplification

What happens, though, is (to modify a term) "class flight" and the public area loses its intended users.

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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2014, 02:13:33 PM »
You guys keep focusing on the utopian stuff, as 'Debbie Downer' (who *ahem* was right about that 25% loss in home values, pre-bubble) I'm waving that off as feel-good bullshit.

>stressing

>>The only thing I can see (as an answer) is massive population loss.


Mother nature will take care of "massive population loss"
My guess is that volcanoes will do the trick as they have in the past.

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Re: bedtime story
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2018, 03:04:50 AM »
1st post this thread (2014):
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.”

Headline today:
JD, a Chinese e-commerce giant, has built a new fulfillment center in Shanghai that can organize, pack and ship 200,000 orders a day with 4 people — all of whom service the robots.

They forgot the dog.

https://www.axios.com/in-china-a-picture-of-how-warehouse-jobs-can-vanish-d19f5cf1-f35b-4024-8783-2ba79a573405.html
« Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 03:06:29 AM by rcjordan »