>glucosamine
>chondroitin
I think the chondroitin is the joint pain stuff.
First of all, I do not believe in supplements in general. I'm convinced that 99.9% of them are scams. Secondly, I *hate* taking pills or meds and will avoid doing so at my peril. It's safe to say that I'm beyond skeptical regarding supplements. Also, if you're going to take them, get them from a source known to be honest about the content --we've had a large scandal here, some mfr putting ZERO % of the advertised ingredient in the bottle. I take Swanson brand.
I will experiment and only keep taking a supplement if I can prove to myself that there is an improvement. I typically do this by quitting, then see if I notice a difference. 3 times. That experiment was easy to do with the nightly leg cramps. Quit taking potassium/magnesium/calcium and be awakened by the dark angel of pain. Take them, cramps go away. The joint pain is more subjective, but I have quit glucosamine-chondroitin at least three times -probably more- and each time it eventually dawns on me after a few weeks that "Hey! I was doing better than this!" and I restart. It is not a cure, it just takes the edge off the soreness.
>takes time
Yes, it took about 3-4 weeks this last time.
Both of my supplement regimes are cheap.
I take no other pain killers, btw. I try to reserve NSAIDS for when I really need them.