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Adam C

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #330 on: December 01, 2023, 03:06:15 PM »
>Have you been reading all the articles about during-activity fueling by elites these days?

No, but sounds interesting.

I tend to ram down a 40/60g carb gel 5 minutes before a race as a precaution / last minute boost, but usually will try to eat well before hand.  Large breakfast (porridge or granola with fruit and toast) plus regular snacks (bananas, granola bars).

Could be more structured post-race.  Tend to eat whatever I can lay my hands on for the first hour.

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« Reply #331 on: December 09, 2023, 02:37:39 AM »
Craig, here's a nutty fitness challenge for you: Ultra Trail Cape Town.

Not as long or famous as Ultra Trail Mont Blanc (UTMB, the most famous trail race in the world), but it might have some of the hardest terrain of any race that is supposedly a running race.

https://semi-rad.com/2023/12/race-report-ultra-trail-cape-town-100k/

If you don't know Semi Rad or his book Chart Imitates Life, this race report will give you a good feel. Full disclosure: I read 10% of the words at most. I mostly just read pictures ;-)

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« Reply #332 on: December 09, 2023, 10:22:28 PM »
A few years ago, inspired by the book Wheat Belly, I cut way back on wheat products and gradually lost a hundred pounds. It took about four years. It was gradual enough that people who saw me often didn't recognize the changes. Who notices if one's plus-size friend lost a pound last month? The people who noticed were those who hadn't seen me in a while.

I have maintained that loss but hit a plateau that wouldn't budge. About a month ago I started aiming for full-on keto and have broken the plateau by a couple of pounds. At the moment my weight is the lowest in forty years. I'd love to someday reach pre-pregnancy weight but for now I'll just keep on keto-ing and see what happens.

I need to work on strength but don't have easy access to a gym. Advice welcome!

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« Reply #333 on: December 10, 2023, 12:07:59 AM »
Buckworks, congratulations on the achievement!  I did keto for years and it worked well for me, but it did cause some hormonal issues which have been outlined here over the years.  In short it: there is an inverse relationship with SHBG and insulin production in the liver.  My insulin was so low for so many years that my SHBG was pushed out of range and my testosterone was being gobbled up at higher numbers than it should have been.  Fast forward, I am injecting myself twice a week for the rest of my life.  I find the benefits very much worth it though.  There are reasons why I think this is less of a concern for women than for men, so I don't think you need to be very concern about a rise in SHBG messing with your hormonal balance.

I really encourage you to do resistance training when on Keto, preserving muscle mass is very important and also very advantageous to losing fat on the diet.   You don't need a gym, you could get tremendous benefit from just some simple equipment and working out at home.  I don't know your exact age, but I think  you are probably somewhere in your early 60s?  When dieting on the plus side of 50 we need to really think about sarcopenia.  Avoiding it has shown to extend life and extent the quality of life.

Here is what I advise for gear:
dumbbell set (I don't know how strong you are, but you may want to start as light as 2.5lbs or 1kilo)
a stable four leg chair height stool
a floor mat big enough to lie down on and with  cushioned enough to be comfortable to do floor work on
a step, as in stairs or the kind they sell for workouts

That's enough equipment to work your entire body.

I don't know if you have any nagging issues with rand of motion or curtain types of movements but I am going to outline some basics that when done together will work your entire body.  You don't have to do this in any particular order but I usually start with the larger movements first.

Pushups (shoulders, tricep, chest, core) 
If you are strong enough do regular push-up.  If those are too hard do bent knee push-ups (what they use to call girl push-ups when I was a child).  If those are too hard go to a wall and do a push-up against that.  A lot of people make a mistake when it comes to push-ups and have their elbows out too far, they should be close to your body,  It is harder that way, but better for your shoulder joints.  Your hands should be slightly turned outward too so that your thumbs are up.

Goblet squats or Lunges (quads, gluts, some core, balance and overall body strength)
Goblet squats are easier than lunges.  Hold a dumbbell at your chest and squat down.   If that is too hard you can do goblet squats on and off a stool, You can also do it with no weight at all and use a stool with no weights  too.

Lunges are great, you can do them with a dumbbell in each hand or without any weight at all.  If you don't know how to do them
  properly here is a video of the basic movement

Cave raises
If you have stairs with a sturdy railing use that for support.  If you don't have stairs get your step and put it next to a wall and use that for support.  Step on the step and stretch your calves then lift up on the balls of your feet, and repeat.  As you get stronger you can do this with weight in one hand and/or do one leg at a time. 

Straight leg dead lifts (hamstrings, spinal erectors, lower back)
Hold the dumbbells in each hand and bend down at the waist while keeping your legs straight.  You want to go easy on this at first.  You can do it with no weight for this movement too.  Always do this movement slow and controlled.

Dumbbell shoulder press (Shoulder muscles, triceps, trapezius)
While standing have the weights in your hands at about your shoulder level, slowly raise them above your head and bring them back down.

Floor Ab work (core)
You could do planks, crunches or leg lifts.  Crunches are probably the easiest to start with.  Do them nice and controlled.  Make sure to have that mat underneath you.

One arm Bent over row (Upper back)
You will have to be bent over with one arm on that secure stool (you could use a chair too) and have one arm at your side hanging down.  You want to keep that elbow close to your body.  Bring the weight up to where your ribs are and then back down.  Concentrate on where your elbow is moving not on where the weight is.  Try to not round your back but keep it straight and parallel to the floor.  A lot of peolpe tend to do this one wrong and use their biceps to curl the weight up in the movement.  Your bicep should not be engaged at all and should be relaxed.  Obviously do a set on both sides.

Dumbbell curls (bicep, wrist strength, grip)
Move slowly, don't swing your arms around so that your elbows are moving,  They should stay at your side.  Bring the weight up it is approaching your shoulder and then bring it down.  You could alternate between the arms or do both arms at the same time.

Bent over side laterals (back of the shoulder mostly)
I am throwing this in there because people tend to get imbalanced in their shoulder development and that could lead to injuries or joint problems.  It is a simple movement.  You cold do it bent over with both arms at the same time, but I don't recommend that at first.  Use the stool instead and do each side separately.  The support of the stool will  help with form and keep you level.  You don't want your back twisting when you do this exercise.  Your back should be flat like when doing the bent over row.  In this movement you are pulling the weight outwards away from your body so that it aligns with your shoulder.  Your elbow should have a very sight bend in it the entire time.  Here is an example of someone doing it standing.

I don't think you need to do any tricep specific exercises because they are being worked in the shoulder press and the push-ups.  You can add them though if you want to.   

If you do all this you basically are working your entire body.  There are many exerciser you could swap in or out to target muscles in different ways.  Everything I outlined though are relatively easy on joints and can be done for years without issues if you are sensible about your movements and the weights you use.

I recommend doing just one set of each exercise per workout and do the workout at least three times a week.  You could get the whole thing done in about 30 minutes.  I know this is long, but you wanted advice and I seem to have a lot to say on the topic.  If anything is confusing, please ask questions.
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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #334 on: December 10, 2023, 12:44:22 AM »
Wow, thank you! That will give me some focus!

For the record, I'm 70. No joint problems at this point so I should be able to do everything you've outlined.

I think my triceps and biceps get well worked, playing my viola. :-)

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« Reply #335 on: December 10, 2023, 03:36:34 AM »
>viola

Wow, do you have any recordings available?

>That will give me some focus!

I feel like I left a bunch of stuff out.  One thing though is that eventually, not the first few workout but say after a couple of weeks at it, each set should be stopped at or withing a couple of reps of failure.  Higher reps are fine, you could go up to 30 if you want, but if you feel like you could do a movement for a long time then it is probably time to increase your weight. 

I might post more for you if something comes to mind.

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« Reply #336 on: December 12, 2023, 09:34:13 AM »
I'll stop your right there Ergo, I'm not a runner :) I hold my hand up high and wear that badge with pride  8) But I love hiking and Cape Town being set on a peninsula with the main plateau of the Table Mountain national park being well over 200million years old there are hundreds and hundreds of trails/hikes of all degrees of difficulty being catered for.

One of my favourite locations is where my in-laws live. A small and very quiet coastal town about 80 miles from Cape Town called Bettys Bay, the Harold Porter botanical gardens there have three or four hikes and mountain trails which are breath taking, on one of the moderate hikes (one or two challenging ladder climbs) you are rewarded with a secluded waterfall where you can swim and relax in the ancient caves before heading back down taking in the fynbos and being careful to avoid the baboon troops that live on the mountainside up there.

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« Reply #337 on: December 12, 2023, 06:42:46 PM »
>Betty's Bay,

You made me look it up, looks stunning.

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« Reply #338 on: December 13, 2023, 08:02:21 AM »
Bettys Bay was my lock down COVID hide out - with such a small population and a beach that runs for 3miles and another 2miles long it meant I could walk freely with no mask and no one else around. The police might stop by and stand on a sand dune to check in but I think the idea of chasing one person across the dunes in 90F was a little off putting  8)

Some of my best drone and photography sessions have been in Bettys Bay - sunrise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH6KTNGG8Iw

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« Reply #339 on: December 16, 2023, 08:12:53 PM »
@littleman

I have acquired some small dumbbells and used your suggestions above to create a more concise list I can follow easily.

We've had a death in the family so my days have been too disrupted to get started yet. My last uncle died just a few ays after his 102nd birthday.

Next week, I promise!

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« Reply #340 on: December 19, 2023, 03:55:51 AM »
Bucky, that's wonderful! Your progress, I mean. Not your uncle obviously. I'm sorry about that.

But it is wonderful how far you've come and especially that you have made it last and that you did it without some crazy crash fasting diet. That's all great.

I've hesitated to add to what LM has said because the most important thing is to get started and he's already given you a lot to digest.

I think perhaps the most crucial parts are:

 1. Get started
 2. Don't get hurt
 3. Keep going

What actual exercises you do or what equipment you own is secondary, especially since you're starting fresh. Almost anything you do at this point will result in gains.

That said, another "rule" I have along those lines is "bias for fun." Not everyone wants to lift steel or run. For example:

I'll stop your right there Ergo, I'm not a runner :) I hold my hand up high and wear that badge with pride

The thing you like is the thing you will do. That will make it so much easier to be consistent.


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gear

I'm going to add a couple things to what LM suggested, but hopefully this does not add complexity or friction to getting going.

1. Something to hang from. If you have something sturdy to grab that you can reach with your feet still on the ground, great. If not, a chinup bar is a worthwhile investment (don't worry - I'm not suggesting you do chinups). My co-workers bought me this for my office door:
  - https://amzn.to/46WJ2bg


2. Maybe a set of bands. I personally have never been able to get into band work, but plenty of people far stronger than me love them. Theresa just ordered these:
 - https://amzn.to/3TwoG5z

Beyond that, get creative.

My first "gyms" at home and at work consisted of
 - stones I collected ranging from 10 to 200 pounds
 - jugs with handles (gallon milk jugs, detergent jugs). A gallon jug is about 8 pounds and works almost as well as a dumbbell.
 - various household implements of destruction: sledge hammer, splitting maul, 20-pound pry bar, wheelbarrow loaded with aforesaid rocks, old piece of pipe and so on.
  - an old backpack I could load up with jugs of water
  - the stairs to my house and a stump in the woods at work
 
The options are endless.

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I feel like I left a bunch of stuff out.... Higher reps are fine

That was the main thing that I was going to add and I think it's worth dwelling on a bit more.

If you start reading about  strength training, you will likely find advice to lift heavy weights that you can only lift 3-5 times before failure. That's great advice... if you are young and have a lot of experience.

If you are older or a beginner or in your case both, that is a recipe for injury, which violates principles 2 and 3 above. If you get hurt, you can't keep going.

The flip side to that, is that if you are working with loads that are too light, you won't really be building strength. Littleman said you could go up to 30 reps. I would call that an upper limit, but I think he's right that that will work for you initially since you do not currently have a strength training habit.

At the beginning, it is best to err on the side of going too light rather than too heavy. Add weight gradually. Ideally, you would like to get to the point where you are failing at somewhere around 12 reps. That's heavy enough to make good gains and light enough to still be reasonably safe.

Finally, people will often say that you have to work to failure.

[Aside: funny story that only you can appreciate since you're the only one here who has spent much time with Theresa... Before we were even dating, we went to the gym together and started with a warmup on the bench press. I did easy reps to warm up and Theresa, aghast, said: "Hey! You didn't work to failure!" I already knew I liked her, but after that... ;-) ]

Anyway, you do NOT have to work to failure. In fact, I would say as you're starting, that you should stop well short of failure. If you work to failure, you will likely end up sore and if you're super sore, it will violate principles 1 and 3, maybe 2 if you get really sore. Better to keep it easy and keep it frequent and build slowly.

Physiologist Andy Galpin says that while working to failure is tremendously helpful for hypertrophy, for building strength, getting within a rep or two is fine. So if you can do 15 and you stop at 13 or even 12, that's fine. If you can do 25 and stop at 13, you will not make much progress.

Which brings me to...

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I think my triceps and biceps get well worked, playing my viola. :-)

They might get tired, but you're building endurance more than strength. Ideally, your strength program will challenge the muscles in a very different way - more intensity, but less volume.

Whew! Like Littleman said, that's already really long and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. I'll throw out my current, albeit ever-changing list of "rules" that increasingly guide my approach.


1. Bias for joy/fun
2. Something is better than nothing
3. Start where you are
4. Goals determine strategy and strategy determines tactics.

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« Reply #341 on: December 19, 2023, 06:58:59 PM »
Sorry, my "computers off" time came before I realized that I never did say what, if not pullups, will you do with the pullup bar.

Ideally, put it in a place you pass frequently and a few times a day at a height that you can reach with your feet still on the floor.

Here's a quick mobility test: interlace your fingers with your index fingers pointing out (i.e. not interlaced). Now point as straight up as you can. Do your arms comfortably go back to your ears without having to arch your back? If no, start with Level 1. If yes, start with Level 2.

Level 1. This should be very gentle, more like a gentle stretch and not an intense one. Grab the bar and flex your knees until you feel a light stretch. Hold for at least 45 seconds (typically with stretches you'll feel a release around 40 seconds). Do this is often as you can. A couple times a day if possible.

Level 2. You have the mobility for a straight-arm hang, so now just bend your legs more and more. Put enough weight on your hands that in 30s to 60s it's starting to burn or your grip is weakening. Just keep adding weight.

Why?

1. Lots of people lose mobility in their arms and that limits their ability to do things like put their own bag in the overhead bins on an aircraft or reach something off a high shelf.

2. Grip strength is handy as you get unstable as you age. Being able to have a firm grip on a stair railing might extend your independence by many years.

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« Reply #342 on: December 20, 2023, 11:26:20 PM »
Well, I officially did my first workout using Littleman's suggestions. I kept having to stop and read the list. I expect it'll get faster as I get the routine memorized.

>> comfortably go back to your ears

Yes, I can do that.

>> Bias for joy/fun

For me that would be swimming. Good for the viola muscles!

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« Reply #343 on: December 21, 2023, 03:03:34 AM »
I am sorry for your loss, but congratulate you on the potential genetic lottery.  102 for a man is really outstanding!


> 1. Get started
> 2. Don't get hurt
> 3. Keep going

Absolutely!

>Well, I officially did my first workout using Littleman's suggestions.

That's great!!!

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« Reply #344 on: December 21, 2023, 06:09:31 PM »
Yay! Good work!

>>Yes I can do that

It sounds like you have very good joint health. It's not uncommon to read training advice that people over X (commonly as young as 50) shouldn't do exercises overhead because so many have poor shoulder mobility and put themselves at risk when they do things like the hangs I suggested or the dumbbell shoulder presses that LM suggested.

That's a huge plus and puts you in a way better place that most 70yos starting a training program. Sub-body-weight hangs wouldn't be a problem and they're definitely good for you and can easily be done at random times outside your main workout. And they feel good.

>>  swimming

Yeah, unfortunately that's like running for me. Running is so convenient (maybe that's not true for swimming) and I have beautiful, peaceful places to run, so I always want to just default to it. But in an overall fitness program, just running is not enough for my goals.

So there is a bit of forcing myself to lift weights. From 18-39, I lived or worked or both within 10-minutes walk from a gym and I really enjoyed working out in that setting, but I really have trouble working out in my own home. I've found moving that workout outdoors and sometimes doing weird things like throwing moderately heavy rocks makes it way more fun for me. So it's a *bias* *towards* fun. Sometimes it's not especially fun and you just have to keep your eyes on the prize, but anything you can find that makes it more fun is always helpful, even if it makes the workout itself maybe a bit less optimal.

That's just my opinion and I'm a very process-oriented person and not a very goal-oriented person. Maybe for a goal-oriented person it just matters that the goal is compelling and whether the means are pleasant or not is not very relevant.

In any case, the big news is that you've started. That's fantastic. Keep us posted on how it goes and how you feel.