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« Reply #180 on: May 02, 2018, 04:10:44 PM »
I did a couple of 24 hour fasts and a 48 hour fast a year or so ago and I found it had a long-term effect on reducing cravings for wanting to eat all the time.

I keep thinking of doing some more. I think it really helps your body manage blood sugar.

That is not based on any research, just the way I felt. And the motivation was simply that I found myself in a place where the food was crap, so I wondered if I would be better off just not eating. So nothing scientific, but it did make me want to do it some more.

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« Reply #181 on: May 02, 2018, 04:48:25 PM »
There's a great documentary on Netflix about fasting.

I'm switching to 5 days exercise now, Mon-Fri, 3/5 so far this week, just 20 mins on the treadmill at 8kph and 10 mins on rowing machine at 6 on the dial (goes up to 10).
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« Reply #182 on: May 02, 2018, 07:37:44 PM »
Been travelling for two months, put on 6kg, everything looks better apart from the waist.

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« Reply #183 on: May 03, 2018, 07:09:01 AM »
It would be nice to subdue cravings.  My main motivation though would be to induce some autophagy.

>everything looks better apart from the waist.

When I was at my very lightest I honestly could have lost another few pounds before I'd have good abs, but everyone was commenting on how my face was getting unflattering gaunt. 
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« Reply #184 on: May 03, 2018, 03:29:08 PM »
It would be nice to subdue cravings.  My main motivation though would be to induce some autophagy.

That would be my motivation for trying it more seriously. Tim Ferriss' interviews with Peter Attia, Dom d'Agostino and Rhonda Patrick have gotten me curious, I just haven't done it.

When I was around 20, one of my things to do was to take one emergency apple and a liter of water and go hiking Friday night to Sunday sometime. I was trying to see how little I could get by on, so sometimes I would leave the sleeping bag at home and spent some cold nights in basically a sweater and a raincoat (extra cold because of the lack of calories).

I toned it down one time after I got to my destination using an old guidebook, and realized the trail I was hiking had been abandoned many years ago (so no chance of someone finding me if something happened). More importantly, the water source at my campsite had dried up. So I was hungry and dehydrated. The first morning it was cold and so foggy, everything was getting wet, so I added cold to the list. I started having halucinations and hearing voices. The most disconcerting of all was that I didn't have a watch and because of the fog, I couldn't tell if it was 9am or 3pm.

So as I was spiraling down and trying to make the decision whether to wait it out or see if it got better, I was afraid to stay in case it was already getting late and I would have to hike the abandoned trail in the dark. So I pulled the plug and busted for the car. Of course, it was early still - I got there early afternoon on what was by then a bright sunny day.

Lesson learned. I always carried a watch a bit of emergency food after that.

The follies of youth. Of course, that "practice" served me well on the times later when I needed to make unplanned bivies with no food, water or camping gear. It's good to know what you can handle.

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« Reply #185 on: May 03, 2018, 04:23:40 PM »
4/5 so far this week, haven't smoked either since Sunday.

Switched to gin instead of beer so now i have a pint of lime cordial and soda with a shot of gin, my alcohol units intake has gone right down.

Feeling quite centered and calm, which is unusual but good :)

Visiting a pal tonight who likes to smoke and drink so this'll be another test.
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« Reply #186 on: May 03, 2018, 06:02:09 PM »
> at my very lightest I honestly could have lost another few pounds before I'd have good abs, but everyone was commenting on how my face was getting unflattering gaunt.

Same. I think I'm going to go with gaunt though, I feel better and... if you line them up in an old peoples home gaunt will always be the eldest. I need more muscle, it's that simple, not easy at this age but not easy is often the best way.

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« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2018, 05:14:59 PM »
4/4 last week

>When I was around 20

Impressive man, my early 20s were much more id.

>gin instead of beer

That's a very good strategy, bear is basically liquid bread.

>I need more muscle

Yeah, better to get it and hang on to is when you can than worry about not having enough when you get older.

This seems to be really a big deal for people in their 70s+.  I am watching the generation above me age, and it seems muscle mass tends to drop off if people don't do resistance work.

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« Reply #188 on: May 07, 2018, 09:00:50 PM »
>When I was around 20

Impressive man, my early 20s were much more id.

More like troubled youth.

On the one hand, I was motivated to be a stronger mountaineer. On the other hand, I was also very, deeply, darkly depressed sometimes with months of incessant suicidal ideation.

The former kept me from doing things that were terribly unhealthy (i.e. certain drugs - several friends from high school got in trouble with drugs; a couple died, a couple went to prison). The latter led to a lot of trying things, seeking pattern interrupts and some degree of self-medication by natural and less natural means. Some or those things were productive. Some absolutely were not.

The fasting and freezing in the mountains thing was one of the few things that served both causes and which, I would say, was productive on both fronts.

Then there was the going to bed at 9pm and sleeping until 1pm for almost two solid months during college that went into the "less productive"  and "less impressive" column. HHH
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« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2018, 09:09:11 PM »
Anyway... to the Core Commit topic, after a few weeks just wiped out from a flu-like illness, I've finally managed to get out hiking, climbing running.

I'm not counting days, but basically trying to have one day without soreness before doing something that causes soreness. My first run while still sleeping 10-12hrs/day recovering from the flu left me so sore I was moving like an old man for two days!

Feeling stronger already

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« Reply #190 on: May 09, 2018, 04:12:54 PM »
Glad to see you back at it ergo.

>one emergency apple
I have fasted a few times before but I don't think I could go out into the wilderness for more than an afternoon or morning without real food. Funny though, reminds me of Rich's emergency sandwich that he has have on hand in hotels or he can't feel safe going to sleep.

>if you line them up in an old peoples home gaunt will always be the eldest.
ah working that vietnam elder angle. The only place I know of where getting older is actually cool(ish).

3/3 for me last week, finally got back on track. Well, in the gym at least.

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« Reply #191 on: May 09, 2018, 05:11:35 PM »
I don't think I could go out into the wilderness for more than an afternoon or morning without real food.

Well, that's sort of the point. In fact, you could. You might not want to, but you could.

And it comes in handy to know that when this happens (photo). Me on the left. Friend's GF on the right. Out of food, low on water, no sleeping bags or down jackets, tired from a full day out, high in the Canadian Rockies with snow for a bed on a chilly night. I'm told that I slept for 5-6 solid hours and kept Tracy awake with my snoring. Fun times!

Before the GF showed up, Mark and I got pinned down in a storm on Robson. We ate a Clif Bar a day for two days and then ran out. On the second to last day we were out of food and had retreated to a cabin on a big shelf. I remember telling Mark "I was going to ask if you wanted to go for a scramble before dinner, but then realized I'm just going to ask if you want to go for a scramble, since there's no dinner." I think we saved one bar each to fuel up for the hike out on the last day.

It's like anything else in life - it's a lot less painful when it happens for real if you've practiced it under controlled the conditions.
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« Reply #192 on: May 09, 2018, 10:19:35 PM »
>after a few weeks just wiped out from a flu-like illness

Yes there's been a lot of that since last Autumn, and people catching it more than once.

Did 5/5 last week, skipped Monday this week but done every day since then.

Cardio is improving noticeably, the 20 mins on the treadmill are a lot easier now so i'll up to 25 next week.

The rowing machine is improving muscle-tone more quickly than i expected so i'm starting some Yoga tomorrow to stretch, starting to feel a bit tight.

Belly is going down slowly, gin is definitely a good move in a pint of soda water with some lime cordial, 1 unit instead of the over 2 units that a pint of beer is, yes it is basically bread, good point :)
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« Reply #193 on: May 09, 2018, 11:40:12 PM »
Did 5/5 last week, skipped Monday this week but done every day since then.

Wow! That's a lot. Good job. I need more rest days than that typically or I start to feel beat up.

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« Reply #194 on: May 10, 2018, 02:24:17 PM »
>Well, that's sort of the point. In fact, you could. You might not want to, but you could.

Looks like I left out the word, willfully. lol