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Title: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on January 25, 2020, 02:07:05 PM
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/new-coronavirus-spreading-between-humans-how-it-started/

I'm going to buy a serious air rifle and some masks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 25, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
You should have been paying attention during our prepper threads.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on January 25, 2020, 03:07:00 PM
Before you get a gun, stock up on groceries, meds and other supplies so you could get by for a few weeks without needing to go out.

And maybe some new board games.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 25, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
Country facing a grave situation, warns President Xi - HK News
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1504840-20200125.htm
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on January 25, 2020, 07:10:16 PM
5-6 day incubation time. This thing has potential.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 25, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
Where's Dustin Hoffman when we need him?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 25, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Coronavirus 2020 Heat Map
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on January 25, 2020, 08:11:34 PM
>5-6 day incubation

So, are people contagious during the incubation period?

>Before you get a gun, stock up on groceries, meds and other supplies so you could get by for a few weeks without needing to go out.

Yeah, might get to the point where it would be best to stay inside.  I can't see the virus causing a mad max scenario just yet.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 25, 2020, 08:21:13 PM
>inside

Outside SE Asia, I think that urban areas with diverse, transient international populations are the highest risk.  Airports, tourist areas, and -maybe- universities might be the first hot spots.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on January 25, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
Was thinking this too, the Bay Area is probably among the most likely to have an outbreak if it happens in North America.  My wife went to an Asian grocery store yesterday (to prep for Chinese New Year), she said a lot of people were wearing masks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on January 26, 2020, 02:57:31 AM
>5-6 day incubation
>So, are people contagious during the incubation period?

Latest info is up to 14 days incubation, unknown if contagious before symptomatic.
Humans in 2020 can cover a lot of ground over 14 days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on January 26, 2020, 05:27:13 AM
>> get to the point where it would be best to stay inside.

Disruptions to normal supply lines because of quarantines etc. could create many difficulties even if the disease never reached your area.

Stock up now while supply lines are functional and stores can replenish what you buy.

If the scare passes, you can just eat / use your supplies.

Also prudent: gather info and supplies for treating flu symptoms at home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on January 26, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
https://preparedneighbor.com/be-prepared-to-survive/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on January 26, 2020, 12:07:13 PM
Quote
A new coronavirus that has spread to almost 2,000 people is infectious in its incubation period - before symptoms show - making it harder to contain, Chinese officials say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523

That's bad.

>prepper threads

I still have a solar oven up in my attic from the last one.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on January 26, 2020, 06:16:36 PM
Flew Hanoi to Singapore today, never seen so many masks and they are pretty popular normally.

Had to fill in a form on hotel check-in, countries visited, symptoms etc THEN they took our temperature!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on January 26, 2020, 07:34:22 PM
You wearing a mask Mark?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on January 26, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
I read about the masks. Their main success is you not touching your boat.

Rectal thermometer?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on January 27, 2020, 12:07:13 AM
Mask (the good ones) prices are way high on Amazon.

 3M 8511 Respirator, N95, Cool Flow Valve  $74 for 2 packs of 10.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on January 27, 2020, 09:55:08 AM
Clever people are already on it :-)

https://twitter.com/SteHughes90/status/1221478741441945601
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on January 27, 2020, 11:51:15 PM
Here's a couple of links from the CDC, older articles that apply well to current concerns:

Get your workplace ready for pandemic flu

https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmaceutical-interventions/pdf/gr-pan-flu-work-set.pdf

Get your household ready for pandemic flu:

https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmaceutical-interventions/pdf/gr-pan-flu-ind-house.pdf
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 28, 2020, 03:57:42 AM
Death toll jumps to 106, nearly 1,300 new cases as Chinese citizens urged to reconsider overseas travel

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-death-toll-jumps-to-106-nearly-1300-new-cases-says-chinese-government
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on January 28, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
You wearing a mask Mark?

No.

All sold out in Singapore btw.

>rectal

By request only so you would have been happy.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on January 28, 2020, 10:38:58 PM
confirmed: 4,690 5,578

May be good news: the graph appears to be flattening.

2 in VN
5 US
5 AU
0 UK

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on January 29, 2020, 10:31:40 PM
Might have a case here in my county.  Person who returned from China was feeling ill has been hospitalized due to an excess of caution.  Still unconfirmed if it really is Corona Virus.   

And here I was patting myself on the back for living in the sticks, where nobody ever wants to go.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on January 31, 2020, 12:04:04 AM
Coronavirus declared global health emergency by WHO (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on January 31, 2020, 02:43:02 AM
And now there's the Coronita Virus to contend with too
https://i.redd.it/9q6x2nf6yyd41.jpg
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Chunkford on January 31, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
UK: 2 :(

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cmo-confirms-cases-of-coronavirus-in-england
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on January 31, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
The common flu seems to be more deadly than the corona virus - if you get treatment in time.

I thought I saw that cases had been reported in India.  That might be hard to contain.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on January 31, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
>> The common flu seems to be more deadly than the corona virus - if you get treatment in time.

That depends on whose stats / speculations you read. It also depends on hospitals not being overwhelmed.

This thing spreads easily so there will be many cases in many places as the story unfolds. Even if the overall fatality percentages turned out to be no worse than flu (a big if), sheer numbers will make it deadly.

At this point there's no cure, only supportive treatment. If you catch this it will be your own immune system that gets you through.

So take care of yourself in every way you know how.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on January 31, 2020, 02:32:50 PM
smile
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on January 31, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
At this point there's no cure, only supportive treatment. If you catch this it will be your own immune system that gets you through.

Your whole note reads like a telegram from the future... sent 10 years ago. In other words, there was a spate of books about "the coming pandemic" around then. The big thing is if we saw a repeat of the 1918 event. The huge advantage we have is data. The huge disadvantage we have is air travel.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on January 31, 2020, 05:04:56 PM
>>I think that urban areas with diverse, transient international populations are the highest risk

So you are saying my trip to Vegas earlier this week could be problematic?

Definitely saw a lot more people than normal wearing masks there and in the airports.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 01, 2020, 03:03:01 AM
We tend to keep quite a full pantry as a normal matter, primarily with winter storms in mind. We've topped things up and filled some gaps so that if need be our household could go for several weeks without going out. It's all stuff we'd use eventually in any case, from canned goods and baking supplies to an extra canister for the SodaStream.

Having done that, I feel able to relax and go about life more or less normally ... albeit with an eye on the news.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 01, 2020, 03:33:43 AM
>saying my trip to Vegas earlier this week could be problematic?

"Health District said that the adult patient had spent time in the area of Wuhan before flying into McCarran International Airport on Jan. 14. "

UPDATE: Local patient possibly with coronavirus in isolation at home
https://www.ktnv.com/news/potential-case-of-coronavirus-in-las-vegas-valley
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 01, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
Modeling suggests up to 75,000 people in Wuhan may have contracted coronavirus per Lancet.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/01/31/More-than-75K-in-Wuhan-may-have-coronavirus-analysis-suggests/5261580483013/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 01, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Coronavirus breakthrough built on monkey kidneys and old-school science
https://www.theage.com.au/national/monkey-kidneys-and-old-school-science-inside-melbourne-s-coronavirus-breakthrough-20200129-p53vuy.html


259/12,024

6 in VN
8 US
12 AU
2 UK
4 CA
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 01, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
We're all safe now!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fashion-magazines-influencers-weigh-coronavirus-outbreak-n1127236

https://www.tatler.com/article/how-to-style-an-epidemic

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 02, 2020, 05:54:16 PM
I'm seeing many pictures of people with masks but not gloves.

That's a big gap in their defences!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPskz-pUYAAgLQx.jpg)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 02, 2020, 06:44:29 PM
Flew from Hanoi yesterday, everyone and I mean everyone had a mask on. Even the whiteys.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 02, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
The VN number infected has held at 6.  Given the geo proximity, I'd say that's a decent firewall.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 02, 2020, 09:49:39 PM
Chart: 2019-CoV vs Sars

https://preview.redd.it/43ywwqgxlke41.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0845c0035572aadb8dd12857c5526ce15b40e2fb
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 02, 2020, 10:06:34 PM
> I'd say that's a decent firewall

If the numbers are legitimate.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 02, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
> If the numbers are legitimate

Good point.  Governments lie.

Seems like VN and CN have some tensions over trade, military, and S. China Sea. Maybe that's helped by reducing mobility between them.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 02, 2020, 11:14:35 PM
lopinavir and ritonavir, in combination with flu drug oseltamivir 

Cocktail of flu, HIV drugs appears to help fight coronavirus: Thai doctors - Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-thailand/cocktail-of-flu-hiv-drugs-appears-to-help-fight-coronavirus-thai-doctors-idUSKBN1ZW0GQ
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 02, 2020, 11:41:37 PM
What a time to be 3m.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 03, 2020, 02:08:36 AM
Uh-oh.  This from a US-based manager of pharm shipments.

"The problem is a lot of the drugs come from China, and there are no flights out of China right now."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 03, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
>Seems like VN and CN have some tensions

More towards hate than tension.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/05/01/402572349/ask-the-vietnamese-about-war-and-they-think-china-not-the-u-s?t=1580719683300

"On the morning of the attack, February 17th, we were sleeping when the Chinese artillery started, then we all ran to our posts," he says. "Some were dressed, others didn't even have time to put their pants on, they just ran to their posts to fight."

Never step to the Vietnamese.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 03, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
University of Hong Kong :

"the number of infections would likely double every six days, peaking in April and May for those places currently dealing with an outbreak, although effective public health measures could bring that rate down."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 03, 2020, 10:29:37 PM
American teacher documents life in Wuhan, center of coronavirus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cLmOibP49o)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on February 04, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Macau has ordered all casinos to close for the next two weeks as coronavirus confirmed cases and deaths increase in mainland China, according to Bloomberg.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 06, 2020, 12:45:20 AM
>doubles every six days

That's now appearing to be too conservative.

China says death toll hits 563 as confirmed cases top 28,000
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 06, 2020, 02:34:19 AM
No matter how this turns out, we'll need to eat.

I'm continuing to pick up extra groceries and other supplies. I'm going to need some new recipes, too!

I'm also working to get tasks done from my to-do list that would require going out. Get 'em done soon so I can stay in later if need be.

I think of it as practical paranoia.  8)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 06, 2020, 12:26:35 PM
>eat

I saw news photos of grocery stores in Wuhan with empty shelves.

I still have my winter cache of supplies.  I stock up every Fall with canned goods including SPAM.  Plus a freezer full of food.

It has to be rough on those cruise ships that are quarantined.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on February 06, 2020, 04:35:34 PM
"Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths"

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

"On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), the Tencent webpage showed confirmed cases of the Wuhan virus in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.
The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.
Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics."

Plausible IMO.

//Added

Coronavirus 'kills Chinese whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795

"Dr Li, 34, had noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003.

On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours"
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 06, 2020, 05:27:05 PM
>Plausible IMO.

Agreed.  If the Tencent figures are used, we're looking at a 16% kill rate.  Most pandemics have been in the 2-3% range.  MERS was the exception at around 35%.

<+>
SARS was around 10%
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 06, 2020, 07:03:07 PM
>kill rate

I think its going to be a while until we really know how fatal CV is.  Looks like the virus generally doesn't hit kids as hard (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/health/coronavirus-children.html).

I don't have much faith in the current leaderships of the world to handle the outbreak properly, so I'm betting it is going to spread through every country eventually.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 06, 2020, 09:39:37 PM
My big worry is if it hits the under developed world like Africa and elsewhere, that just does not have enough medical infrastructure and personnel to handle a pandemic.  It would be terrible for them. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 06, 2020, 11:24:36 PM
Confirmed Cases by Country/Region

28,094 Mainland China
45 Japan
28 Singapore
25 Thailand
24 Hong Kong
23 South Korea
16 Taiwan
14 Australia
12 Germany
12 US
12 Malaysia
10 Vietnam
10 Macau
6 France
5 Canada
5 United Arab Emirates
3 India
2 Italy
2 Russia
2 Philippines
2 UK
1 Nepal
1 Cambodia
1 Belgium
1 Spain
1 Finland
1 Sweden
1 Sri Lanka
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 06, 2020, 11:51:52 PM
U.K. is 3. The news did a 50% increase piece. I laughed
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 06, 2020, 11:57:04 PM
Yeah, and I think the US has an additional one.  The web page updates late, IIRC.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 07, 2020, 12:54:58 AM
Coronavirus China: Wuhan told to round up infected for quarantine camps  ...as death roll rises to 634

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/china-pays-tribute-to-exhausted-coronavirus-staff-as-hospitals-scramble-for-supplies/news-story/95bb3b067270228d1b34f7fb2754070f


Wuhan is ordering all 11 million residents to report their body temperature every day to combat the coronavirus

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-reporting-body-temperature-daily-to-combat-coronavirus-2020-2
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 07, 2020, 03:11:08 AM
Another 41 catch coronavirus onboard cruise ship off Japan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51409800
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 07, 2020, 01:44:03 PM
Fashion weighs in ...

https://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/professional/everything-fashion-brands-need-to-know-about-the-coronavirus-crisis-management-luxury

https://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/market-pulse/luxury-feels-the-impact-of-coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 07, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Boston:

'It's Completely Empty': Coronavirus Fears Take Toll On Chinatown Businesses
https://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/2020/02/07/new-coronavirus-slows-chinatown-business
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 07, 2020, 02:44:39 PM
Is this a luxury product?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7963665/New-Zealand-sex-workers-say-discriminated-against-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 07, 2020, 02:59:00 PM
CDC begins shipping coronavirus tests to state and local health departments

TL;DR
"About 400 test kits will be distributed domestically and internationally. Each kit can test about 700-800 patient samples. More kits will be produced and shipped in the future, the CDC said."

"the test can provide results in four hours. "

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/481944-cdc-begins-shipping-coronavirus-tests-to-state-and-local-health-departments
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 12:05:31 AM
Now officially bigger than SARS, which they say is a very similar virus (80%).    ...And the SARS vaccine never got out the gate anyway.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 09, 2020, 02:50:57 AM
Long life span.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 09, 2020, 03:00:13 AM
Huge potential BS on this but the thread has some interesting ideas.

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 09, 2020, 03:07:05 AM
Interesting article on surveillance

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-surveillance-idUSKBN2011HO
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 03:17:59 AM
> surveillance

'In other places, drones are being used to patrol villages and urban roads to check for any behavior that might contribute to the spread of the virus, such as people not wearing masks in public.

"Grandma, do not go out without wearing a protective mask, and you better stay at home to be safe," an operator said via a drone flying over the head of an elderly woman in a village in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia'


Drones take to the air to combat virus - Chinadaily.com.cn
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202002/08/WS5e3df0b5a310128217275ee5.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 09, 2020, 04:04:22 AM
Of all the info I've seen in recent days, the image of the gas bloom over Wuhan is the first one to make me weep.

The pain it represents is beyond imagining.

God help the people of China. God help us all.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 09, 2020, 04:41:03 AM
>gas bloom over Wuhan

I didn't see that, do you have a link?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 05:04:33 AM
>gas

Quote
Huge potential BS on this but the thread has some interesting ideas.

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1226267582740811777?s=21

SO2

<+>
Possibly adds some credibility of the Tencent data posted by Travoli
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 09, 2020, 05:35:02 AM
‘No Glitches’ in Early Effort for Coronavirus Vaccine, NIH Says. Moderna Stock Is Flying.

"Two weeks ago, on Jan. 21, Fauci said that it would take around three months for a Moderna vaccine for the virus to enter a first-in-human Phase 1 study. Now, the forecast remains the same."

https://www.barrons.com/articles/moderna-gilead-stock-coronavirus-vaccine-51581109485
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 09, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
The 2.1% reported almost every day is clearly bollocks.

It’s mad looking out there. Welding apartment doors shut etc.

https://twitter.com/ncovnews/status/1226370459341426688?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 10, 2020, 12:18:56 AM
SO2

China virus funeral order fuels upset as death toll rises | Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-virus-funeral-order-fuels-upset-death-toll-exceeds-sars-200209010139644.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 10, 2020, 02:22:31 AM
Food for thought ... someone on Peak Prosperity posted this list of supplies:

Quote

whatever you normally buy when you are sick, but consider you may be sick for  3- 4 weeks…  Big bottles of Advil, lozenges, elderberry syrup, Vitamin C and D, masks, disposable gloves, Robitussin flu/cough, Vick’s vapor cream, bleach, Lysol wipes and sprays, hand soap and sanitizer, laundry detergent and sanitizing bleach, toilet paper, canned soups, peanut butter, coffee, honey, pet food, tissues, toilet paper. Whatever else you do not want to be out of if you can’t shop or shelves are bare.  A good thermometer and oximeter. Prescriptions.  If you have a health savings account, check out the HSA store.  Some things can even be purchased with your HSA account.  Plastic sheeting or plastic party tablecloths for covering things. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 10, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Coronavirus Lurking in Feces May Reveal Hidden Risk of Spread

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-01/coronavirus-lurking-in-feces-may-reveal-hidden-risk-of-spread
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 10, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
It’s mad looking out there. Welding apartment doors shut etc.

Is this verified? Anyone can take a video of some folks standing around with welders.

And the comments on that are absurd: "the Chinese Holocaust."

The closest thing to a Chinese Holocaust would be Great Chinese Famine - roughly 20 to 40 million deaths in a population less than half of today's. That's about the same number of deaths as from the flu pandemic if 1918 (20-40 million) and all in one country, though the numbers are disputed with official government estimates being lower and some scholars putting the numbers higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Extent

When we had hantavirus "plague" of 2012 in Yosemite, there were three deaths and nine confirmed cases out of 4,000,000 visitors. It was absolute panic and pandemonium. Park visitation plummeted. People from AZ and NM were cancelling their trips, even though HV is endemic in those states.

At one point, someone from the CDC said 10,000 people had been exposed. Other reporting said the death rate was 30%. It was getting reported in the UK that 3,000 people might die. One of our UK guests said he almost cancelled his trip, but then did a little digging and realized that 30% the death rate is among those hospitalized with HV. It is thought that most people just think they have the flu and gut it out. Meanwhile, the count of "exposed" meant that 10,000 people had been in or near the buildings that were linked to the cases.

Anyway, I realize that Corona virus is serious and that public health officials need to be sure it doesn't become a pandemic. But it drives me crazy how easily scared we are and how people let the need of cable news to keep a story alive pump up their fears.

When this is all said and done, more Americans will die in car accidents this winter than from CV. Maybe more will die from the regular flu.

Again, I applaud the intelligent, prudent and reasonable efforts by public health officials to contain the outbreak. Without those efforts, it could indeed be terrible. But the hysteria is just ridiculous. The only thing that is worse is reporting on plane crashes. Those should not be reported at all, generally speaking.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 10, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
>Is this verified

NPR was interviewing a man who reported that if six people are sick in an apartment they will not let anyone leave it.  He said that they are not being given any food.

Could you imagine the lawlessness as the virus spreads in those buildings and food runs out?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 10, 2020, 05:34:24 PM
It’s all a bit crazy.

Emergency UK law activated today to be able to force 14 day quarantine after one of the People tried to leave.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 10, 2020, 06:03:40 PM
Yeah, but I don't see the UK going full on Lord of the Flies without providing provisions the way they are in Wuhan.  Latest data I've read it looks like 2-3% fatality rates but its 4.9% in Wuhan.


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Front the analysis of death cases, it emerged that the demographic profile was mainly male, accounting for 2/3, females accounting for 1/3, and is mainly elderly, more than 80% are elderly over 60 years old, and more than 75% had underlying diseases present such as cardiovascular and cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and, in some cases, tumor.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#nhc



Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 10, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
>> hysteria is just ridiculous

I consider it hysteria when people speculate that this thing is a bioweapon escaped from the lab or some such.

I don't consider it hysteria when people have sober, practical discussions about ways to prepare our households for uncertain developments.

At this point, both the complication rate and the kill rate look to be worse than the flu. I don't trust the official numbers coming out of China very much, and I suspect that the story they tell is more likely to be sugarcoated than exaggerated.

My own response, as I've mentioned, is to stock up on groceries etc. so we could stay in for an extended period if that seemed wise. I figure it's important to take such action early so that stores can restock the things I buy.

If no trouble comes our way we can just eat our supplies.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 10, 2020, 06:17:16 PM
>Is this verified?

There are several videos floating around that are purported to be authentic, as-it-happened apartment lockdowns.  I suspect they are fabricated as it seems very 'liberal' and out of character for the CN gov to allow recording and distribution.  Reddit says some are coming out of HK and may be part of the on-going protests.  Debbie says /r is probably correct.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 10, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
NPR was interviewing a man who reported that if six people are sick in an apartment they will not let anyone leave it.  He said that they are not being given any food.

Wow! I can imagine in the US or Europe not letting people leave, but I can't imagine it happening without a small army of people in hazmat suits delivering supplies. There is still an aspect of collectivism to China that is just so strange to me.

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I don't consider it hysteria when people have sober, practical discussions about ways to prepare our households for uncertain developments.

Totally agree. As I said, I think that is prudent and responsible and I am very grateful that public health officials are acting decisively and working to stop this. Failure there *could* lead to a devastating pandemic.

I was not labeling that as hysteria, but rather the Twitter comments... which upon reflection are probably trolls.

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stock up on groceries

The roads around here have been closed since yesterday morning because high winds knocked down so many trees. Just reopened. So much stuff happens around here, we feel nervous if we have anything less than 10 days of food on hand and some basic first aid stuff (in the very best of times, it's a one-hour response time).

So I think that's just good advice, Corona virus or not.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 10, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
My own response, as I've mentioned, is to stock up on groceries etc. so we could stay in for an extended period if that seemed wise. I figure it's important to take such action early so that stores can restock the things I buy.

If no trouble comes our way we can just eat our supplies.

Absolutely rational and prudent. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 10, 2020, 09:24:17 PM
"Prepping is not about fear and panic -  it is the opposite of that. It is about being calm and ready." -- Selco Begovic
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 11, 2020, 01:59:14 AM
*IF* we can believe that the CN numbers are right, the new cases curve has flattened a bit for the last 3 days running.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 11, 2020, 03:51:47 AM
>> *IF* we can believe

China changes counting scheme to lower Wuhan virus numbers

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — The daily reports of Wuhan virus infections in Communist China will likely begin to drop as the government has decided to stop counting patients who test positive for the disease but do not exhibit symptoms as “confirmed cases.”

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874490
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 11, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
My daughter (UK) is under house quarantine. Got back from japan 27th, got a bit of a cold, she dialled 111 (UK helpline) and they told her not to leave the house until they say so.

99.99999999999% its just a cold. Reassuring to see that they on it though.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 11, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
Press release from Visit California (for whom the Asian market in general is big, though less so PRC).

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Dear Industry Colleague,
 
Visit California continues to closely monitor the coronavirus outbreak. Our offices throughout China and across Asia, as well as our Sacramento team, are working closely with industry partners and Gov. Newsom’s senior administration officials to ensure we have the most accurate and timely information. Visit California is encouraging a measured response as the outbreak develops and information continues to emerge.
 
Travel Impacts
•   The U.S. government has temporarily banned entry of foreign nationals who have traveled to China within the last 14 days.
•   Air service to and from China has been suspended by all U.S. and most Chinese carriers, with the exception of a few flights per week. These cancelations account for 87% of total seats. Most suspensions will run through March.
 
Visit California’s Response
•   All China programs, including travel trade, public relations and consumer advertising, are paused.
•   Visit California’s April 6-10 China Sales and Media Mission is postponed, as are all FAMs involving travel from China.
•   Visit California is keeping followers updated on Chinese social media, including Weibo and WeChat.
•   Visit California has delayed its spring consumer campaign for approximately two weeks. It is now scheduled to roll out on April 6.

Industry Implications
•   Tourism Economics is now projecting a 27% decline in visits and spend to California from China in 2020. Even with this downgrade, overall visitor spending — from U.S. and international markets combined — is still projected to increase 2.9% in California this year.
•   Industry experts expect a rebound in Chinese tourism to begin in April and rise throughout 2020.
 
Visit California’s efforts over the past decade have given California a dominant share of the Chinese travel market. We are confident that Chinese travel to California will rebound once the outbreak is contained, and California’s high brand awareness positions the state to recover more quickly than our competitors. Although it is too early to predict specifics, China will remain California’s top overseas visitor market and a priority for Visit California’s marketing efforts.
 
For additional resources, please reference this comprehensive brief. The U.S. Travel Association has also provided a helpful toolkit. It includes a guide to communicating healthy travel practices and media talking points.

I look forward to seeing you next week at Visit California’s 2020 Outlook Forum and the Winter Board Meeting, where the outbreak and plans for the Chinese market will be discussed in greater detail.

Sincerely,
Caroline Beteta
President & CEO

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 14, 2020, 01:57:20 AM
My daughter (UK) is under house quarantine. Got back from japan 27th, got a bit of a cold, she dialled 111 (UK helpline) and they told her not to leave the house until they say so.

99.99999999999% its just a cold. Reassuring to see that they on it though.

She doing alright Mark?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on February 14, 2020, 10:08:26 AM
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My daughter (UK) is under house quarantine. Got back from japan 27th, got a bit of a cold,

Concerned myself about her. She should know by now?  Has she been tested?

We are a bit concerned as Lucy is in Brighton Uni, People with Hazmat outfits have been there, the GP surgery is closed for a deep clean, and she says only half the students are in for lectures... but so far it seems to have settled down
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 14, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
CDC: Coronavirus expected to make a foothold in US or other countries

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/cdc-prepares-for-coronavirus-to-take-a-foothold-in-the-us.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 15, 2020, 02:13:02 AM
How COVID-19 Kills: The New Coronavirus Disease Can Take A Deadly Turn
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/14/805289669/how-covid-19-kills-the-new-coronavirus-disease-can-take-a-deadly-turn?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=nprnews
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 15, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
>She doing alright Mark?

Yes, out of "quarantine" on Thursday. No tests which I can understand.

>Lucy is in Brighton Uni

Ouch, that made me feel old!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 15, 2020, 08:29:41 PM
>Yes, out of "quarantine" on Thursday

That's great news. 

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 15, 2020, 09:26:34 PM
Yes, out of "quarantine" on Thursday.

Glad to hear it! Even though you reckoned it at 0.00000000001%, I'm sure it's a relief nevertheless.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 17, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
I said prepping included toilet roll to someone :-)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51527043
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 17, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
I said prepping included toilet roll to someone :-)



Me too.  :-)

A friend said she was stockpiling food in case she and he husband had to self isolate themselves for 14 days and I mentioned toilet rolls.  Also, kitty litter, pet food and baby diapers if appropriate.  All of our Core prepper threads are paying off!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 17, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
Just got some decent LED lamps.

I'm not fearing we will be dead from CV, but I am doing some of the things I should have in place.

Then as you say, if 14 days self isolation, I don't need to go out.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 17, 2020, 02:39:15 PM
>LED lamps

+1

Those little things are great.  I really should get an extra one.

I like buckworks suggestion of new board games, especially if you have kids.  I'd add to that a couple of new pen and paper RPG games.  I mean there is nothing like killing off your spouse's player character when you have to be locked up with them for two or three weeks.   :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 20, 2020, 01:48:41 AM
I just read this book: "The Wuhan Coronavirus Survival Manual: How to Prepare for Pandemics and Quarantines" by Cat Ellis, February 2020.  117 pages.  I found it at Amazon.

Book has 3 major sections: 1. What is known about the Coronavirus so far. 2. Pandemic/Coronavirus Preparedness  3. Knowing when to go into lockdown, self isolation, self quarantine - whatever you want to call it.

The book was just good advise. Not overly paranoid.  There are some good medical and anti contamination tips that we have not discussed here at Th3 Core but preppers here, could get by without reading it.  However, if you've never given it much thought before this book would be worth getting.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on February 20, 2020, 06:51:21 AM
A new pack of cards....  Even Canasta.... ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 20, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
Interesting list / article

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/emergency_preparedness/planning/Pages/emergency-pantry-list.aspx
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 20, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
ukgimp, that's a good list.

After reading that book (above) is I would plan to extend the time period of self isolation in a pandemic to 21 to 29 days.  If the pandemic is bad enough that you have lost power for a long time during your initial 14 days, it's going to take some more days to restore essential services and reopen and restock grocery stores etc.

So if I were preparing now, I'd stock up for 14 days first.  Once that is done I'd lay in enough supplies for another week.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 20, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Good news: 
I have a daughter who is admin at a 100-patient nursing home. She has also been selected to be on the state's emergency preparedness board (after shepherding her patients & staff through the eye of the last hurricane).  Anyway, based on this thread, I tipped her to stock up on masks & toilet paper.  She received one extra shipment of masks before the vendors started back-ordering and future shipments will be subject to rationing.  Staff will be ordering extra toilet paper today.

The bad news is that the CDC told nursing home admins to move to "pandemic preparedness" mode.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 20, 2020, 11:24:17 PM
SKorea city locks down after coronavirus spread
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-idUSKBN20E0AM



>CDC

That does not sound good.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2020, 02:39:04 AM
You heard it here first.

US hospitals brace for coronavirus outbreak to become global pandemic
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/19/hospitals-across-the-us-prepare-for-coronavirus-outbreak-to-become-global-pandemic.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on February 21, 2020, 10:09:20 AM
WE do not have it YET
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 21, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
Reports of banks struggling

https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/1230776826726879232?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
DrCool, you have cv-19 patients arriving in Spokane.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on February 21, 2020, 04:33:44 PM
>>you have cv-19 patients arriving in Spokane

Yep, at the big hospital here. I have a lot of friends who are doctors and nurses at that hospital. They have a pretty cool airborne diseases ward in the hospital there and is one of only 10 in the country with that sort of ward.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2020, 04:48:52 PM
The other treatment centers are located in
Boston
New York City
Baltimore
Atlanta
Minneapolis
Galveston
Omaha
Denver
Los Angeles.

<+>
Wuhan to build 19 more makeshift hospitals as China struggles to contain epidemic

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-wuhan-to-activate-one-more-temporary-hospital-with-3690-beds
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 21, 2020, 07:07:04 PM
The data looking  like children don't get hit very hard by the virus, maybe up to 80% show little or no symptoms.

https://www.livescience.com/why-kids-missing-coronavirus-cases.html

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Youth can certainly contract the virus. Among the infected are at least two newborns, according to Chinese health officials. But few children are among those sick enough to be diagnosed with the coronavirus, according to an article published Feb. 5 in the Journal of the American Medical Association. According to the data analyzed in that article — and numbers are changing quickly as the outbreak evolves — the median age of patients skews older, between 49 and 56 years old.

So, this is good and bad, that means that kids could be passing it among each other and then bring it home without showing symptoms. In North America (and probably the UK & EU to) schools spread communicable diseases like the flu and common colds.

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
AGEDEATH RATE
80+ years old  14.8%
70-79 years old  8.0%
60-69 years old   3.6%
50-59 years old   1.3%
40-49 years old   0.4%
30-39 years old   0.2%
20-29 years old   0.2%
10-19 years old   0.2%
0-9 years old      no fatalities


Also, having a pre-existing condition increases the fatality rate.

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by COMORBIDITY:
PRE-EXISTING CONDITION DEATH RATE
Cardiovascular disease  10.5%
Diabetes  7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease  6.3%
Hypertension 6.0%
Cancer 5.6%
no pre-existing conditions 0.9%

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Families with seniors and people with compromised health need to be particularly careful.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
They're still scrambling to figure out transmission paths.

"Two of those passengers without symptoms tested positive, and were transferred to the hospital for further evaluation and monitoring. Although one developed a faint rash and a mild sore throat, both remained well and fever-free seven days after hospital admission"

Coronavirus infection may be spread by people without symptoms, mounting evidence suggests
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus-transmission-asymptommatic-nejm-german-report-20200218.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 21, 2020, 10:44:33 PM
>without symptoms

This makes it hard to contain the spread and explains why governments are quietly raising their alert status.

I read somewhere that the US has significantly fewer hospital beds than we did in the 1970's. And it doesn't help that many hospitals are chronically understaffed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 21, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
BBC roundup re Iran etc and it’s unusual transmission.

https://apple.news/A5a-y4ZtDTGaeJXokUErHbg
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 21, 2020, 11:14:13 PM
Yep. Just like the Flu. We build hospitals like this every year.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180377.shtml
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2020, 11:29:14 PM
>US has significantly fewer hospital beds than we did in the 1970

Rural/suburban hospitals have been closing at a pretty good pace.  Others that remain have been bought out by chains and down-sized to be 'gateway' or feeder hospitals for the primary --hub & spokes style.

Medicare is slated to further gut rural hospital funding soon, and many administrators say they will be forced to close.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 22, 2020, 01:15:50 AM
10 Italian towns in lockdown.
https://news.yahoo.com/10-italian-towns-lockdown-over-coronavirus-fears-220635548.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on February 23, 2020, 02:24:55 PM

iMask? Companies Race To Build Next-Gen Facewear To Block Germs


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/no-silly-not-imask-companies-race-build-next-generation-facewear-block-germs

Some costing $400+
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 23, 2020, 02:37:03 PM
Concern over coronavirus spread grows with cases jumping in South Korea, Italy and Iran - Reuters


South Korea: 600+
Italy: 132
Iran:43


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/concern-over-coronavirus-spread-grows-with-cases-jumping-in-south-korea-italy-and-iran-idUSKCN20H03U
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 23, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
From my reading, transmission paths and times are still not adding up.  I'm seeing some reports saying that it now appears that the incubation/asymptomatic transmission period is 24 days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 23, 2020, 04:16:12 PM
The other thing is how long the virus can live outside the human body.  I'm seeing reports that it can live up to 5 days, with one report of 9 days.  The problem is the data set is so small right now, nobody really knows.  But I did see news reports that China is sanitizing some currency notes and burning those that are heavily infected.

Other variables: how long the virus can live on what type of surfaces, effects of direct sunlight on it and airborne vectors.

I'm following this blog from one of the infected cities in China:

Quote
Been a tough weekend.

Now into our 5th week of self-isolation.

It’s normal now, not going out but L and I are finding it difficult having no time to ourselves now that our eldest refuses to sleep.

Source:  http://chotoye.com/blog/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 23, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
I've read 9 days several times now --no telling if they're emanating from a single or multiple reports.  Debbie says the transmission within the cruise ship feels like it survives on surfaces for prolonged periods.  ...Though cruise ships are almost perfect petri dishes.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 23, 2020, 05:13:12 PM
>surfaces

Star san is a no rinse sanitizer I use for home brewing beer.  This is the greatest stuff.  When I'm brewing I mix up a big bucket of this stuff and sanitize all my equipment.  I also fill a spray bottle and spray down all my counters.  I can plunge my hands in it to dig stuff out of the bucket. 

I also use it at bottling and kegging time to Sanitize the bottles and kegs.  The Star san foam residue just breaks down to water and oxygen.  Safer for surfaces than bleach.  Just follow the directions. 

https://www.amazon.com/Star-San-4C-YKNL-FWNT-San-16oz/dp/B0064O7Y64/

Best stuff ever.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 24, 2020, 02:01:10 AM
BTW:

China state newspaper says coronavirus originated outside wildlife market

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml

A) Wuhan is home to China's most advanced virus research laboratory, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

B) CV-19 is a coronavirus that’s escaping zoological classification and whose novel spike-protein region shares more in common with a commercial genetic vector than any of its wild relatives, and has other unnatural characteristics

Pretty Good Conspiracy Theory:

Report: Chinese Scientists Find "Killer Coronavirus Probably Originated From A Laboratory In Wuhan" (UNC Researchers Possibly Involved)
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/asia/2020/02/16/report-chinese-scientist-who-worked-at-unc-finds-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-from-a-laboratory-in-wuhan/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 24, 2020, 06:23:20 AM
If it is a runaway lab created virus we're all lucky it isn't more deadly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on February 24, 2020, 02:27:53 PM
February 17 2019 04:34 PM EST weather.com

Flu Season: Up to 19,000 People Have Died; Vaccine Protecting About Half Who Get It

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2019-02-15-flu-season-vaccine-illnesses-deaths
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 24, 2020, 02:42:10 PM
833 South Korea
230 Italy
159 Japan
89 Singapore
79 Hong Kong
61 Iran
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 24, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
Too late for containment probably.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 24, 2020, 03:46:28 PM
>> Too late for containment probably.

I'm afraid you're right.

My mindset is shifting from being ready "if" this comes to my neighbourhood to "when".
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 24, 2020, 04:03:19 PM
>833 South Korea

Huge deal for Koreans living/working in Asia, all flights suspended from my end.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 24, 2020, 04:45:22 PM
I heard that Vietnam is switching a factory from making garments to making face masks.  That seems wise.  Do we still have garment factories in the US?

Radio this morning said Afghanistan has reported their first case.  Somebody returning from Iran.  Afghans have closed their border with Iran.  Same with Turkey.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 24, 2020, 06:27:16 PM
The figures are not stacking up in incubation period. Maybe more like 28 days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 24, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
> more like 28 days.

Yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 24, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
'On Monday Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain reported their first cases, all involving people who had come from Iran. Officials in Bahrain said the patient infected there was a school bus driver'

Coronavirus: World should prepare for pandemic, says WHO - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51611422
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 24, 2020, 11:23:49 PM
How Britain became a nation of stockpilers: 'It just feels like something is going to give'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/zombie-apocalypse-coronavirus-stockpilers-emergency-food?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on February 24, 2020, 11:41:03 PM
>> stockpilers

I've been stocking up but I'm not sure I agree with buying high-priced "emergency" foods.

Many ordinary groceries have a shelf life of months to years so I'll settle for normal stuff.

Just more of it and better organized than usual!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 25, 2020, 01:04:10 AM
Vaccine
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccine-human-clinical-trial-ff89108d-87b0-4948-a299-59ee3369eb83.html

It will be at least a year, if it works.

The problem is this is an RNA virus and RNA viruses mutate rather quickly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 25, 2020, 01:05:35 AM
>high-priced "emergency" foods.

Yeah, no need, beans/rice/oatmeal and canned foods have are dirt cheap and last for a very long time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 25, 2020, 01:10:40 AM
There is one freeze dried bulk canned food I would consider: a big 3 lbs. can of powdered eggs.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on February 25, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
The full video with swine flu added

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU
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Post by: Mackin USA on February 25, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
VERY GOOD READ

https://gulfnews.com/world/spanish-flu-1918-vs-covid-19-1.1582445160581?slide=21
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Post by: rcjordan on February 25, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
Moderna Surges After Shipping Coronavirus Vaccine For Study - TheStreet
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/moderna-surges-after-shipping-coronavirus-vaccine-for-study
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Post by: ergophobe on February 25, 2020, 07:44:58 PM
How the Coronavirus Revealed Authoritarianism’s Fatal Flaw
China’s use of surveillance and censorship makes it harder for Xi Jinping to know what’s going on in his own country.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922

An interesting read. It reminds me of how the East Germans collected minutiae on citizen and failed to see that the Soviet Union was collapsing.

To a lesser but more pertinent extent, it reminds me of a president who hollows out his cabinet to get rid of any and all dissenting voices, and the problems that arise from that.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 25, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
The CDC is changing the narrative from "if" to "when":
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-pompeo-idUSKBN20J1Y4
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Post by: littleman on February 25, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
>To a lesser but more pertinent extent, it reminds me of a president who hollows out his cabinet to get rid of any and all dissenting voices, and the problems that arise from that.

Let's not beat around the bush.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/10/29/20936921/usaid-predict-pandemic-preparedness
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Post by: ukgimp on February 26, 2020, 05:24:47 AM
Written by an MD

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
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Post by: rcjordan on February 26, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Linked to Italy

Coronavirus reaches South America as Brazil confirms first case - The National
https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/coronavirus-reaches-south-america-as-brazil-confirms-first-case-1.985033
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Post by: ergophobe on February 26, 2020, 05:21:25 PM
Quote
Last week he said that the process of vaccine development was proving “very difficult and very frustrating.”

I have friends who work in vaccine development. Basically, if you want to find one of the most frustrating jobs in the world, choose vaccine dev or nuclear fusion.


CDC: Not "If" but "When"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us-american-cases/index.html

Just heard an interview with a WHO person from Geneva who says the world has to be ready. She underscored that countries with strong public health systems have generally been able to contain the virus. It remains to be seen whether the US is one of those countries. More troubling, it has hit Africa and throughout Africa there was only one test center, but they are ramping up there.
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Post by: rcjordan on February 26, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
I cannot find the article, but I recently read that only two self-isolated communities in the US escaped the Spanish Flu.  One was a military base ordered to go into 100% lockdown and the other was a rancher community.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 26, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
<+>
European countries, including Greece, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia, and mainland Spain, have reported their first confirmed cases of the virus, all of which have been traced back to travelers from Italy.

US isn't 'remotely prepared' to test for coronavirus, experts say | Live Science
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-coronovirus-test.html
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Post by: Rupert on February 26, 2020, 08:13:39 PM
Just as an over view am I right in saying this is really a flu, but with a roughly x2 to x4 higher death rate per infection.  well I dont know anyone who died of flu. 

So as Mark says, why is it such a big deal?  (except it is new).

And the fact that only 1 in 7 get infected with flu, (1 billion each year)  and they seem to be saying it will be 3 in 5 (60%) (So 4 billion people ish..)

So I guess at worst it could kill 16 times more people than flu...  but I am not sure that's something to really worry about.

I know its not good, but....

Is my maths about there?  Not seen anyone put it like that, but its how I am reading it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 26, 2020, 08:43:18 PM
Though I've already changed some travel plans, I'm not wildly concerned/paranoid ...BUT that's because of where I live.  If I, say, commuted to work on the Tube daily then I'd be a lot more worried.

Your math looks as good as any, as it's still really a crapshoot --and will be until it's over and we assess the toll.  I do, however, think that the numbers given out by CN are likely to be off by a factor of 10.

IMO, CV-19 differs from the flu in the length of transmission times.  If it does turn out to be 24+ days and can be carried by asymptomatic hosts, then....
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 26, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
>why is it such a big deal?

Five things:
no vaccine yet
long incubation period
people are contagious before symptoms
looks like it is airborne transmissible (maybe)
death rate of 10-14% for the sick and elderly

The flu is deadly.  Not too long ago it killed 56,000 people the US alone during 2012-2013 season, but the flu is typically only contagious for up to a week before symptoms and we have an active vaccine program.

If you add that all up the globe is going to have a lot of dead grandparents, potentially tens of millions world wide. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 26, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
The person from the WHO said 10% to 20% are severe and need medical care. That's much higher than the flu.

>>death rate of 10-14% for the sick and elderly

And this is one difference compared to the 1918 flu - that particularly hit younger people of child-bearing age, so it had huge demographic ripples.

>>because of where I live

That's the one that worries me - small, rural community, with 4,000,000 visitors a year from all over the globe. I kind of wish I was still a 100% remote-working scholar with no contact with the outside world except when my wife returned home from the lab.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 26, 2020, 09:24:37 PM
>4,000,000

Yep, tourism is going to be a big conduit, I'm afraid.  Look at the quick jumps once it hit N. Italy, for example.  Spain's island resorts too a hit before the mainland.

At Spanish Hotel Under Coronavirus Lockdown, Meals With Masks - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/world/europe/spain-coronavirus.html
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Post by: littleman on February 27, 2020, 01:37:38 AM
Its here.

Quote
A new case of novel coronavirus has been confirmed in Northern California, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday, adding the case is not tied to the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/new-case-of-novel-coronavirus-in-northern-california-cdc/2242792/

Edit:
Just to be clear, this person (now known to be in the Bay Area) has no known path to infection.  So, its out and about here somewhere.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 27, 2020, 09:20:12 PM
Vice President Mike Pence will be put in charge of the U.S. response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak, President Donald Trump announced Wednesday in an address from the White House. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/trump-says-coronavirus-risk-to-the-american-people-remains-very-low.html)

Apparently all CDC news has to be prescreened by Pence before it goes public.  (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/484989-pence-office-to-handle-media-on-coronavirus)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 27, 2020, 09:49:10 PM
Trump is setting up Pence as the fall guy.  Trump seems more worried about the business fallout than he is about public health. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on February 27, 2020, 09:52:42 PM
Just flew in to New York. You ain't ready for this, trust me.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 27, 2020, 10:26:33 PM
>Trump is setting up Pence as the fall guy.

Was thinking the same thing.

>You ain't ready for this

Yeah, that's pretty clear from the press conference yesterday.


California monitoring 8,400 people for coronavirus (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/485000-california-monitoring-8400-people-for-coronavirus-as-33-test-positive)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 27, 2020, 10:40:23 PM
>ain't ready

I'm just going to go to McD's drive-through. WCGW?

States ask people potentially exposed to COVID-19 to self-quarantine - UPI.com
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/02/27/States-ask-people-potentially-exposed-to-COVID-19-to-self-quarantine/6101582835877/
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Post by: Travoli on February 28, 2020, 01:01:38 AM
>Just to be clear, this person (now known to be in the Bay Area) has no known path to infection.

Some of the repatriated cruise ship patients landed at Travis AFB. First Caronavirus case is in Solano, adjacent to Travis AFB.

Also, a whistleblower is now seeking federal protection after complaining that more than a dozen workers who received the first Americans lacked proper training or protective gear for coronavirus infection control.

SHRUG
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Post by: Travoli on February 28, 2020, 01:40:28 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8052775/White-House-GAGS-government-health-experts-speaking-coronavirus.html

"White House GAGS government health experts from speaking about coronavirus saying they must have Mike Pence's approval for EVERYTHING they say about mounting crisis - despite VP having zero medical qualifications"
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 28, 2020, 02:16:02 AM
We bought a bunch of butter, potatoes, squash and unions today.  If supplies run out we're not stuck eating beans and rice for a month.

Re Pence:  Its about the spin, not about keeping people safe.  Trump is seeing the stock market crash and is worried about his chances in the election.  I just hope the state/local level governments will be able to compensate for the lack of leadership on top.
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Post by: Travoli on February 28, 2020, 02:41:20 AM
>beans and rice

Delicious with both:
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 28, 2020, 02:59:02 AM
Jen is actually a pretty great cook, but there are times when I cook for myself and I'm to lazy to do all the chopping.  I'll give those guys a try.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on February 28, 2020, 03:58:22 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8052775/White-House-GAGS-government-health-experts-speaking-coronavirus.html

"White House GAGS government health experts from speaking about coronavirus saying they must have Mike Pence's approval for EVERYTHING they say about mounting crisis - despite VP having zero medical qualifications"

Well, as you know, I am not a fan of Trump and the way his administration falsifies and buries information, but I'm sympathetic here. When we had a hantavirus outbreak, the idiot from the CDC made completely ill-advised and misleading comments that panicked people and led to a lot of misinformation. Letting the medical people speak directly without vetting their comments is like letting the engineers speak directly when there's a software problem.

In my experience, people who do not have media training tend to speculate a lot. They also get their egos stroked by the attention and want to please the media by giving out information and that pushes them to speculate even further which feeds their sense of self-importance.

During the hantavirus thing, I sat at a phone bank fielding calls and some of the sh## I heard people say even though we had clear and detailed sheets of what we knew and even a list of things we did not, at the time, know and therefore should not speculate about. I heard people speculate on those things all day long.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 28, 2020, 11:32:04 AM
Exclusive: U.S. mulls using sweeping powers to ramp up production of coronavirus protective gear

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-production-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-mulls-using-sweeping-powers-to-ramp-up-production-of-coronavirus-protective-gear-idUSKCN20L2S0

> state and local

Maybe in the states that have major ports of entry they are better equipped.  But the fly-over states are just not used to dealing with with this kind of stuff.  And frankly, most of the states have become complacent over the decades and have abdicated their role to the CDC and the feds.   We used to have local active Civil Defense units which would give boots on the ground assistance.  Those have been replaced with State "Departments of 'Hopeless' Security" which are generally centralized paper pushers in the State's capitals.  County health departments, chronically underfunded, are more about testing well water and tracing outbreaks of the clap not highly contagious pandemics.  I mean, only seven cities in the US even have test kits for coronavirus right now.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on February 28, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
Explainer: Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients, raising questions in containment fight

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer/explainer-coronavirus-reappears-in-discharged-patients-raising-questions-in-containment-fight-idUSKCN20M124
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Post by: rcjordan on February 28, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
A second case of coronavirus found through spread in California - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/a-second-case-of-coronavirus-found-through-spread-in-california/2020/02/28/ae53c93a-5a77-11ea-9b35-def5a027d470_story.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 01:10:56 AM
Looks like I'm in Ground Zero USA.  I've been urging my older relatives to take it seriously.  My stepmom said "I'm 80 years old.  If I die, I die".  She has this routine where she likes to take daily walks to the store and buy a couple of items and she's not planning on stopping.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 02:23:07 AM
My wife went to grocery stores today.  At Trader Joe's it was business as usual, but at 99 Ranch (an Asian grocery chain) customers were noticably stocking up dry goods.   I suspect most Americans without ties to Asia are going to get caught unprepared. 
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Post by: rcjordan on February 29, 2020, 03:36:20 AM
Coronavirus passed on in UK for first time as new case in Surrey takes total to 20 | London Evening Standard
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-passed-on-in-uk-for-first-time-as-cases-reach-20-a4374706.html
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Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 04:04:19 AM

https://patch.com/oregon/portland/coronavirus-oregon-officials-announce-first-presumptive-case

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PORTLAND, OR — Oregon health officials have determined what they say is the "first presumptive case" of the new coronavirus in the state, and the Lake Oswego School District, where the person works, said Friday students and staff may have been infected
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Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 07:00:31 AM
2 New Coronavirus Cases Confirmed In Washington (https://patch.com/washington/seattle/2-new-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-washington)

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At Friday's media briefing, health officials said a Snohomish County high school student tested positive for the virus but had no recent travels, nor an immediately apparent source for his illness. According to the state Department of Health, the teen visited the Seattle Children's North Clinic on Monday and is currently in home isolation.

...

In King County, public health officials said a woman in her 50s tested positive after returning from travel in Daegu, South Korea. She went to work in Seattle on Tuesday and began to notice symptoms by the end of the workday. King County Public Health said the woman had a "mild illness" and was being monitored in isolation at home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on February 29, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
Our daughter went to school in the Lake Oswego School District one year.

Great area, at the time.

ADDED: Our granddaughter returned from Bangkok via LAX last night.

the likely end-point of this outbreak will see it settle down as an endemic disease — one of the suite of respiratory viruses like influenza and the common cold that travel around the world year after year, with most of us regarding them as little more than a nuisance.
David Fickling
Bloomberg
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Post by: rcjordan on February 29, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
WHO confirms that a dog in HK has cv19.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on February 29, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
>not ready

WHO raises global coronavirus alert as US faceplants | Ars Technica
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/who-data-shows-coronavirus-is-containable-us-fails-to-contain/
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Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 07:37:03 PM
Washington state confirms first US death from coronavirus (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/washington-state-confirms-first-us-death-from-coronavirus.html)

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on February 29, 2020, 07:47:07 PM
>granddaughter

She's lovely and I see you are taking precautions.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 01, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
>>taking precautions.

That is my son and the mask was meant as a JOKE
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Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2020, 04:24:58 PM
Is Britain prepared for a possible pandemic? The signs aren’t all that good…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/01/is-britain-prepared-for-a-possible-coronavirus-pandemic-the-signs-are-not-good

----------

Gunnison, Colorado: the town that dodged the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/gunnison-colorado-the-town-that-dodged-the-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic
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Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2020, 05:00:19 PM
Someone outside th3core wanted to know what Debbie thinks.  FWIW:

>>COVID-19 -  50,000 in the US? It will just be the new normal until we get
> a vaccine?
>
Yeah, new normal in the US.  50k might be low for the first 5 years,
up that to 100k for starters. Add on top of the flu.

"Flu killed and hospitalized more people in the United States last
winter than any seasonal influenza in decades, according to new data
released Thursday...

Influenza killed about 80,000 people in the 2017-2018 season,
according to figures released by the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. The previous high for a regular flu season, based on
analyses dating back more than three decades, was 56,000 deaths."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html


> But do you think it will break Trumps economy  before November?
>
yeah
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 01, 2020, 07:48:50 PM
Interesting.  I think at least another zero is needed on that 50k number.  No prediction needed for the economy, it was being held together with spit and glue before COVID-19, I kinda surprised that question needed to be asked.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2020, 08:01:36 PM
>another zero

He called my hand on that one, too.

> But the flu has something like 0.1%  lethality and COVID-19 is closer to 3%
> so far.
>

Good point.  It's all a crap-shoot at this point.  Maybe 100k is wishful.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2020, 08:13:36 PM
<+>
>spit and glue before COVID-19, I kinda surprised that question needed to be asked.

I don't think many in the general public were that concerned about the US economy.  Now they are.

But this guy was actually questioning the *when* time range rather than the *if*.  November ain't that far away and he's modifying his finances to get ready.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2020, 10:21:13 PM
'"This strongly suggests that there has been cryptic transmission in Washington state for the past six weeks," he wrote. "I believe we're facing an already substantial outbreak in Washington State that was not detected until now due to narrow case definition requiring direct travel to China."'

US: Coronavirus has been spreading for six weeks in Washington
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12313041

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Post by: Mackin USA on March 02, 2020, 10:27:02 AM
THIS...
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 02, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
I’ve just seen the costs associated with getting tested and the peripheral costs in the US.

Oh dear. That won’t help you out there.

Why would people bother getting tested.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 02, 2020, 03:26:59 PM
I’ve just seen the costs associated with getting tested and the peripheral costs in the US.

The cost of American health care could help coronavirus spread in the US
https://qz.com/1809382/us-health-care-costs-could-help-coronavirus-spread/

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At least one American has already incurred hefty bills for seeking treatment for what he feared might be a coronavirus infection. When he developed flu-like symptoms after returning to Miami from a work trip to China, Osmel Martinez Azcue took himself to Jackson Memorial Hospital for testing. He asked for a flu test instead of the CT scan hospital staff wanted to conduct.

The flu test came back positive. Two weeks later, Azcue received an insurance claim for $3,270. His portion: $1,400.

“One of the disadvantages the US has in trying to tackle Covid-19 is that many people avoid going to see a health care provider because they are worried about the cost,” said Gavin Yamey, professor of global health and public policy at Duke University.

Look at the graphic - despite the common lack of access to health care in the US and the high costs to individuals, we actually spend more government money per capita than Canada, France, the UK. Only Germany and Norway spend more.
p. 3 of https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/2020-01/Tikkanen_US_hlt_care_global_perspective_2019_OECD_db_v2.pdf
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 02, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
BA cancelling more flights

https://twitter.com/darreneuronews/status/1234522840231223298?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 05:23:00 PM
>despite the common lack of access to health care in the US and the high costs to individuals, we actually spend more government money per capita

When I was a kid, they literally queued us down the blocks outside the schools to get polio (twice; 1st was shot, 2nd was sugar cube) and small pox (shot) vaccines.

<+>
They queued us up in the mid-60s to get tuberculosis screening. (That's how I avoided Vietnam, but that's a looooong story.)

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 02, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
>THIS...

I don't think anybody here is claiming CV is going to kill us all.  However, CV is highly contagious, has a long latency period and is killing the elderly and people with compromised health.  I think we are being pretty rational weighing the evidence so far.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 02, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
Quote
However, CV is highly contagious,

I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the care home mentioned here:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12313041

Old folks all clustered together.

Quote
Officials in the Seattle area announced two cases related to a possible outbreak at a long-term nursing home, Life Care Center in Kirkland. The elderly are considered to be especially vulnerable to infection.

One patient is a health-care worker in her 40s who was in satisfactory condition, according to state health officials. The other, a resident in her 70s, is in serious condition.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 08:24:51 PM
>care home mentioned

My care home admin daughter & I are watching that one, too.  So far, there's been no feedback to her via the gov channels.  If the stats so far are correct, expect 10-20 deaths.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 02, 2020, 09:11:53 PM
I did see this kind of made me snigger.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
We're doomed. hhh
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 10:43:45 PM
>care home

TL;DR: 3 4 dead, Rupert

A male in his 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The man had underlying health conditions, and died 3/1/20
A female in her 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The woman had underlying health conditions, and died 3/1/20
In addition, a woman in her 80s, who was already reported as in critical condition at Evergreen, has died. She died on 3/1/20
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 03, 2020, 05:57:22 AM
>snigger

Apparently those sheets were being held up for privacy.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 03, 2020, 06:10:26 AM
Quote
A male in his 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The man had underlying health conditions, and died 3/1/20
A female in her 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The woman had underlying health conditions, and died 3/1/20
In addition, a woman in her 80s, who was already reported as in critical condition at Evergreen, has died. She died on 3/1/20

Nearly misread that as Jan, not 2 days ago. Expect more then. also I see its a hospital, not a care home as I assumed.

I think this is the one:
https://www.evergreenhealth.com/coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 03, 2020, 09:10:48 AM
Quite a measured roundup. Doesn’t mean I’m not preparing a little.

https://www.julianagrant.com/blog/2020/2/29/coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 03, 2020, 09:42:14 AM
Blimey, that is more severe than my view...  so  do you think I should go to Austria Skiing at the end of March?

Never mind plans going forward.... Talking to a mate last night who is going to Costa Rica for a few weeks in Aug....

All that is covered by this in his opinion:

Quote
Canceling non-essential travel

So why are so many airlines still flying?  If it was that serious we should be reducing the number of travellers at a Govt level.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 03, 2020, 10:40:36 AM
>so  do you think I should go to Austria Skiing at the end of March?

No.

>So why are so many airlines still flying?  If it was that serious we should be reducing the number of travellers at a Govt level.

At a Govt level many flights are banned from certain countries already. In general the number of flights have been drastically reduced purely from a demand perspective.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 03, 2020, 01:13:34 PM
Coronavirus: a globalisation inflection point?

https://nextconf.eu/2020/03/coronavirus-a-globalisation-inflection-point/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 03, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
>so  do you think I should go to Austria Skiing at the end of March?

No.

We have put two trips on indefinite hold.  The airlines and resorts involved didn't refund, but did allow the $$$ to be held on account.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 03, 2020, 03:18:26 PM
Worth knowing.

Making your own hand sanitizer is a cinch

https://boingboing.net/2020/03/03/making-your-own-hand-sanitizer.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 03, 2020, 09:48:49 PM
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235972-coronavirus-may-have-been-circulating-undetected-in-the-us-for-6-weeks/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 03, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html

.1% flu

If borne out by further testing, this would make Covid-19 about 30+ times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally. Or 8,700,000 to 19,500,000.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 04, 2020, 12:03:31 AM
Hmm... we were still planning on a domestic flight - Fresno to Denver and back, no stops - next week. Hadn't considered cancelling until the Google annoucement
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 04, 2020, 12:06:33 AM
Google and Amazon ban all company travel
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/amazon-halts-all-employee-travel-google-adds-new-restrictions-due-to-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 04, 2020, 12:48:22 AM
1st case in NC, Wake Co. (Raleigh area).
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 04, 2020, 09:08:14 AM
Vietnamese corona video, catchy tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDzvR_lFgVQ&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 04, 2020, 09:51:47 AM
1:08 What is she doing?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 04, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
Blimey, that is more severe than my view...  so  do you think I should go to Austria Skiing at the end of March?

Just got back from a weekend snowboarding in Austria.  Got a cold, but think I'll survive.  Also got a trip planned at the end of March, to Switzerland.  No intention of cancelling.  Will see how things look in 3 weeks time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 05, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
John Hopkins take on it

https://twitter.com/technologic916/status/1234982966075375616?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 05, 2020, 04:29:29 PM
Quote
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told The Wall Street Journal that "it's likely we'll see a global pandemic" of coronavirus, with 40 to 70 percent of the world's population likely to be infected this year.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/482794-officials-say-the-cdc-is-preparing-for

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Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, says if the transmission estimate of 2.5 additional people for each infected rate is accurate, that would result in an "attack rate" that would affect 60 to 80 percent of the world's population.
  -- same as above

Live interactive map with Johns Hopkins data
https://www.paypervids.com/coronavirus-live-interactive-map/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 05, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
So many countries are having failure of leadership issues with testing for and containing COVID-19 .  I guess they figure if they don't test and report the economic impact will be diminished.  Our own CDC took down the tally off of their website, then put it back under-inflated stats.  Trump is telling people to go to work with Coronavirus (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-coronavirus-work-reaction_n_5e60c482c5b6bd126b761e42).
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 05, 2020, 09:38:34 PM
We just bought some hand sanitizer from these guys.  They have a formula that they claim is good for killing germs for up to four hours after applied.

https://aprbiotech.com/

Quote
my-shield™ Hand Sanitizer is a fast-acting, alcohol- free formula product that kills germs, bacteria and viruses once applied. in addition to eliminating germs that are present on the skin, our proprietary nano-protective barrier Zetrisil offers long-lasting protection while aloe Vera gently moisturizes your skin. Protective barrier lasts up to 4 hours or 4-6 hand-washings at 100 percent effectiveness.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 05, 2020, 11:16:19 PM
Coronavirus News Feed
https://app.cronycle.com/feeds/82671

>my-shield

That's a good find littleman.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 06, 2020, 05:51:48 AM
>Coronavirus News Feed
>https://app.cronycle.com/feeds/82671

Reddit has one too:
https://www.reddit.com/live/14d816ty1ylvo/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 06, 2020, 05:54:18 AM
https://twitter.com/julialindau/status/1235714275752267776

Quote
I just landed at JFK after reporting on #coronavirus in Milan and Lombardy —the epicenter of Italy’s  outbreak— for @vicenews
. I walked right through US customs. They didn’t ask me where in Italy I went or if I came into contact with sick people. They didn’t ask me anything.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 06, 2020, 05:49:21 PM
It’s not sounding great over there.

Is this sounding right?

https://twitter.com/dkthomp/status/1235977164895531009?s=21

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-06/chaos-at-hospitals-due-to-shortage-of-coronavirus-tests

Is this your Katrina FEMA moment? I hope not.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 06, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
>Is this your Katrina FEMA moment? I hope not.

I'm fully expecting it to be.  I am seeing very little pro-active actions/policies happening here.  We just passed 200 official cases -- that's what S. Korea was at two weeks ago, but unlike S. Korea we're not implementing wide spread testing, we're not closing schools, we're not wearing masks, we're getting contradictory messages about the risks of public interaction.  The government here seem to be more concern with optics, the stock market and inconveniencing people than doing what needs to be done to get it under control.  The average person on the streets still thinks its a problem somewhere else.

We had time to prep and the death tolls and the economic impact are going to be much worse than they could have been.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 06, 2020, 06:57:34 PM
>It’s not sounding great over there.

It's not.  We haven't quite lost the containment battle yet but my read is that we are losing it.  We are reacting instead of being proactive. Everything that should have been stockpiled is in short supply and mostly not made here anymore.  And bureaucracy is slowing things down, like we have to use the rationed CDC test not the WHO tests.

Worse, our hyper-expensive medical system is totally unprepared for what comes next.

And nobody really knows what to do, airports have no screening, it's apparent that there are a lot more un-diagnosed people running around spreading the virus than anyone wants to admit, our protective reactions are too slow and Bozo the Clown is in charge.

So basically, it's an epic cluster f--k.

Also:

Indiana gets first confirmed case
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/03/06/coronavirus-indiana-cases/4973737002/

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 06, 2020, 07:39:11 PM
Quote
I just landed at JFK after reporting on #coronavirus in Milan and Lombardy —the epicenter of Italy’s  outbreak— for @vicenews
. I walked right through US customs. They didn’t ask me where in Italy I went or if I came into contact with sick people. They didn’t ask me anything.

Vietnam would have put you in automatic quarantine for 14 days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 06, 2020, 10:22:47 PM
If you have friends/relatives who aren't taking this seriously this clip could help persuade them.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1235994748005085186
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Post by: ukgimp on March 06, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
Does it repeat? Plus he is picked up on the vaccine revenues?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 07, 2020, 12:15:26 AM
This site confounds me in that every informed but sarcastic comment that could be made, has already been made.

Both of our governments (US and UK) are already on public record for testing various germs back in the day, why should they stop now just because of The Law - it didn't stop them then, though, if you look at the publically (?) available docs there wasn't a strict law against emotional torture back then but they were certainly overstepping the boundaries.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 07, 2020, 05:02:29 AM
This is the danger.

https://twitter.com/momentsau/status/1236099432673718273?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 07, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
Quite big news.

Stanford cancel in person classes for this Q.

https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 07, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
Numbers: this Twitter thread is worth a read.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 07, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
If you have friends/relatives who aren't taking this seriously this clip could help persuade them.

What would you consider "taking it seriously?" Handwashing and avoiding large public gatherings? No travel?

Looking at what the latest from the Harvard and Johns Hopkins epidemiologists say has me both more and less worried.

On the one hand...

 - 20% to 60% will get infected in the next year (revised down from 40% to 70%). So there's a strong chance you're going to get it one way or the other.

 - final death rate will settle around .1% to .5%, so between equal and 5X the seasonal flu. Right now it's biased up because there have been a lot of cases that were treated as normal flu and went undetected. Some people appear to be infected but asymptomatic.

 - mostly people who are very old or very young or otherwise compromised will have responses requiring medical attention. That said, I see on graphs a big uptick in infection among the 50-60 age cohort and then a really big uptick in the 60-70 cohort. But I also know a lot of those people are not particularly healthy, especially respiratory fitness.


On the other hand...

 - it now appears that even people without serious symptoms can pass the disease. So you could get it from anyone.

 - the response in the US has been terrible. According a recent article in the Atlantic, the US has tested 2,000 people and South Korea has tested 140,000 (adjusted for population size, that's roughly like testing one million people in the US). Not to mention the person who came home from Italy and walked right through customs. This is turning very much into Trump's Katrina (i.e. public statements about what a good job Brownie/Pencie are doing while a major debacle unfolds).

All that said, I am living my normal life - going to work, hopping on a plane next week - but taking a few extra precautions in terms of giving people more space when possible, not shaking hands, washing more often, etc. And trusting that as a reasonably healthy person who is not very young or very old, my immune system will do okay.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 07, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Numbers: this Twitter thread is worth a read.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

It is worth a read, but I find that when dealing with exponential growth, people typically make one of two assumptions, both of which are usually faulty.

The first is the unconscious one of not doing the math and not realizing at first, say, the Trouble with Tribbles. It's hard for people watching the early doublings to appreciate what a doubling means down the road. Think the famous pennies on a chessboard story.

The second is assuming that the exponential increase goes on indefinitely, but in fact an epidemic usually follows some sort of S-curve. The question is, when will we hit the inflection point? Will it before or after we run out of hospital beds?

Quote
Predicting the trend of an epidemic from limited data during early stages of the epidemic is often futile and sometimes misleading (3). Nevertheless, early prediction of the magnitude of an epidemic outbreak is immeasurably more important than retrospective studies. But how early is too early? Intuitively, the cumulative case curve will always be S-shaped and well-described by a logistic-type model. The essential factor is the time when the inflection of the cumulative case curve occurs, i.e., the moment when a rapid increase in case numbers is replaced by a slower increase. Since the inflection point, approximated by tm (1), dictates the point in time when the rate of increase of cumulative case numbers reaches its maximum, the moment marks the key turning point when the spread of the disease starts to decline. As long as the data include this inflection point and a time interval shortly after, the curve fitting and predicting future case number will be reasonably accurate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323156/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 07, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
I'm dealing with a situation here where my mother inlaw and (to a lesser extent) my step mother are not modifying their lifestyles or taking minimum precautions. They are both in the high risk categories and they both have spouses that are also high risk.  I'm sure you are likely to be fine Ergo if you get CV, but imagine how you would alter your decisions if you were in direct contact with high risk people.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 07, 2020, 06:57:44 PM
Pubcon postponed

https://www.pubcon.com/pubcon-florida-2020-postponed
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 08, 2020, 12:48:45 AM
Adjusted age-specific case fatality ratio during the covid-19 epidemic  in Hubei, China, January and February 2020 (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.04.20031104v1.full.pdf)

Death rates range from less than 0.01% to 18%, depending on age.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 08, 2020, 01:07:52 AM
13 dead in that Washington nursing home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 08, 2020, 04:14:48 AM
Mike Pence on Twitter: The risk to the American public of contracting the Coronavirus remains low. (https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1236490272948846592)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 08, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
I keep seeing stuff about lack of testing.

https://twitter.com/mom101/status/1236340167411195911?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 08, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
Death rates range from less than 0.01% to 18%, depending on age.

Thanks for that. Numbers always help me see things more clearly.

That said, I wonder how it will play out in other countries.

On the one hand, China has some of the highest smoking rates in the world. Over half of all men smoke, which can't be good for respiratory diseases, especially in the older population with 30 or 40 years of smoking under their belts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546632/

On the other hand, 36% of the US is obese compared to 6% in China and 20% in Italy. I know from friends who are hospital docs, that obesity dramatically complicates acute care (medication levels, respiratory care, anesthesia).
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html

I'm sure you are likely to be fine Ergo if you get CV, but imagine how you would alter your decisions if you were in direct contact with high risk people.

Being in a major tourist destination, I may be in direct contact (though not frequent contact) with high-risk people. And we have some friends who are neither young nor fit, so I do need to take basic precautions for their sakes.

But yes, given my overall health, I'm not worried that I personally will die. Maybe have a really unpleasant week, but not die. I see that at my age, a lot of people are already compromised - COPD, obese, history of smoking - and I think that accounts for a lot of the rise in mortality as people get older. I would say my underlying health is more typical of people in their 40s, where the death rate is quite low based on your chart.

I'm mostly trying to keep my immune system healthy - plenty of sleep, decent eating, a bit of supplemental zinc - and paying more attention to touching my face after going out in public and not sharing things as much.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 08, 2020, 02:51:47 PM
I keep seeing stuff about lack of testing.

I was looking for the Atlantic article about test availability in the US and came across this

The Coronavirus Is No 1918 Pandemic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/were-not-facing-second-spanish-flu/607354/

It's a really interesting read - in 1918, they did not know there was such a thing as a virus and they did not even know at first it was a contagious disease. An early theory was that it was tainted Russian oats or misaligned planets. There were no antibiotics at the time, which are key for treating secondary infections in patients weakened by the virus. And in the 1916 flu outbreak, British physicians were still bloodletting soliders and hypothesizing that it hadn't worked because they hadn't bled them early enough.

Some years ago, I read a book about mosquitoes and as late as US takeover of the building of the Panama Canal (1904), most people did not believe that mosquitos could pass disease. Many volunteered to be bitten by mosquitoes that had bitten a Yellow Fever victim, stating that they were too strong and hardy to be taken down by a mere mosquito.

That was the state of medical knowledge just over 100 years ago.

------------

This is *an* article on test availability, but I keep seeing references to an Atlantic article that estimate that as of a few days ago, only 2,000 Americans had been tested, while 140,000 South Koreans had. This article, from March 3, says that 500 Americans had been tested and S. Korea is testing 10,000/day

The Official Coronavirus Numbers Are Wrong, and Everyone Knows It
Because the U.S. data on coronavirus infections are so deeply flawed, the quantification of the outbreak obscures more than it illuminates.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-really-have-coronavirus/607348/

-----------

In other news from the Misuse of Statistic Department, an article on the viral poll saying 38% of Americans are afraid to drink Corona beer.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/about-corona-poll/607240/

Spoiler alert: beer drinkers were asked what brands they would drink and 38% said they would never drink Corona. The question has no link to the virus, but was about taste preference. This has not kept the poll result from going viral as evidence of how stupid people are. As if we need additional evidence.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 08, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Pence sounds quite presidential in that video.

Meanwhile, the actual president says that he understands the virus so well because "I have a natural ability" and goes on to say that maybe he should have been a doctor instead of running for president. If only I could go back in time and make that so.

https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/1236117874458136576?s=20
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 08, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
How's this for a soundbite for your elders, LM?

Dr. Peter Hotez, during a Congressional hearing said the coronavirus
“is like the angel of death for older individuals.

'On Friday, the CDC quietly updated its website to tell older adults and people with severe medical conditions such as heart, lung or kidney disease to “stay home as much as possible” and avoid crowds. It urges those people to “take actions to reduce your risk of exposure,”'

https://time.com/5799117/white-house-coronavirus-seniors-flying/

CDC: People at Risk for Serious Illness from COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 08, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
16 dead in that Washington nursing home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 08, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
>soundbite

That's a pretty good one.

With frustration over the federal government hording tests Stanford, UCSF and Harvard are developing their own.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 08, 2020, 09:31:46 PM
>soundbite

For your relatives, I wonder... are they reticent to accept how high the risk is for the old and frail or to accept that THEY are old and frail? Depending on which one it is, it would require very different approaches.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 08, 2020, 10:06:35 PM
Honestly, I think it is a bit of both.  I went out to get some rubbing alcohol and I came back to see my in-law standing in my living room.  My first thought was "why are you here putting yourself at risk", then I found out that she went to church today.  I talked to my mother on the phone; her and her best friend were planning on going to their weekly mahjong game.  My wife's dad is still going to the gym, my dad's wife still goes to the store daily.  I am getting very frustrated.  ALL of these people have health issues and their age range is between 72 & 80.  I am about ready to pull my hair out.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 08, 2020, 10:29:18 PM
But if you do, we'll dump you in California --a sanctuary state.

State Department warns U.S. citizens not to go on cruises | Miami Herald
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article241013416.html#storylink=rss
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 09, 2020, 02:11:56 AM
WHO Report from China attached.

Summary on Reddit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/

Two key points, one petrifying, the other encouraging.

The encouraging one
Quote
Since the end of January, the number of new coronavirus diagnoses in China has been steadily declining (shown here as a graph) with now only 329 new diagnoses within the last day - one month ago it was around 3,000 a day. "This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real," the report says.

The scary part
Quote
5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over.

Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to treat 0.4% of the population at the same time - other developed countries have between 0.1% and 1.3% and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 02:22:49 AM
https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/new/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 09, 2020, 09:06:17 AM
Quote
20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks.

Those are very scarey statistics.  This is all getting very depressing.  Can I inject a bit of humour?  :o
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/09/coronavirus-prevention.aspx

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 09, 2020, 10:45:37 AM
https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 09, 2020, 03:43:01 PM
Wow. Just WOW!

A cousin of mine and his wife had planned a cruise to top off a winter holiday and celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary. About a month ago Ken got cold feet about the cruise and they decided to cancel and come home early. Much to the amusement of the gossips in our community. "Living in fear" yada yada yada.

I talked to his wife this morning, and she said that the boat they were supposed to be on, boarding yesterday, was the now-quarantined Grand Princess which has some confirmed cases of covid-19.

File that under YIKES!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 09, 2020, 04:34:56 PM
I'm getting colder and colder feet about our upcoming trip, though we will not have a lot of exposure - single hop flight and then mostly spending time outdoors or alone indoors. But it's all sobering.

OT
A childhood friend of my father's was telling him how sad he was that his daughter was not going to make it home for the holidays. Her business meeting had run long and she had missed her flight home and other flights were booked. The flight was Pan Am 103.

One positive bit of CV news...

Air pollution map of China
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161324/coronavirus-quarantine-china-maps-air-pollution
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 09, 2020, 04:38:02 PM
Quote
Since the virus is already out there, should I avoid plane travel just to be safe? After all, when you fly aren't you breathing in recycled air?

"The air's actually pretty clean. It gets recirculated through these HEPA filters that really are very good at clearing stuff out," says Vicki Hertzberg, a biostatistician at Emory University, who co-led a study on flights and disease transmission with scientists at Boeing. "So in some aspects, the air on a plane is cleaner than what's going on in your new office buildings."

Moreover, Dr. Mark Gendreau, chief medical officer at Beverly Hospital in Massachusetts, says that airlines have a high incentive to keep their ventilation systems well-maintained: "If the HEPA filter is not changed regularly, if the system is not maintained well, it puts a lot of drag on the engines, which will increase the fuel consumption, which is quite an expensive proposition."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/06/812650868/coronavirus-travel-tips-to-fly-or-not-to-fly-what-happens-if-you-cancel
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 09, 2020, 05:09:05 PM
Little update on my elders:

I wrote a message to them going all in on the "you are likely to die if you are not careful" yesterday and haven't heard a peep yet.  My guess is that they are angry at me, but hopefully acting more sensibly now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 09, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
Quote
"The air's actually pretty clean. It gets recirculated through these HEPA filters that really are very good at clearing stuff out," says Vicki Hertzberg, a biostatistician at Emory University, who co-led a study on flights and disease transmission with scientists at Boeing. "So in some aspects, the air on a plane is cleaner than what's going on in your new office buildings."

Vietnams first case in a while, number 17, flew in from London. 12 other people on the same flight have tested positive already. Business class with just 21 passengers. I'm not flying anywhere except in an emergency and with a full hazmat.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 09, 2020, 05:52:18 PM
Here's what I wrote to my sons back on Feb 8:

Quote

I've been watching the coronavirus story with grave and growing concern.

In a nutshell, this thing spreads easily and hits hard. It's growing exponentially, and the story is certain to get worse before it gets better.

Our corner of the world seems normal for now but we need to be concerned.

I urge you to take practical actions NOW to be better prepared if trouble does come our way. Don't settle for "wait and see". The time to prepare for trouble is before it comes.

I urge you to get organized and supplied so your household could cope for an extended period if it became necessary to stay in. Stock up on groceries, meds and practical supplies so you could manage for several weeks without fresh supplies. Planning ahead is especially important for those with prescriptions or special dietary concerns.

Take action now while supply lines are still normal and stores can restock what you buy.

Some practical paranoia NOW might make a big difference to how well our families could weather the storm if it comes.

There's no downside to preparing. If the concern passes we can just eat our supplies.

"By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household." Hebrews 11:7

"The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it." Proverbs 22:3

My daughters-in-law have been heeding the "stock up early" advice but I don't know about actual behaviour changes. My brother is the one still in "no worse than the flu, why should I worry" denial. I wish I had an answer for that...
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 09, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
Buckworks, how old is your brother & does he have any health concerns?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 09, 2020, 06:04:32 PM
He's sixty and a former-smoker-turned-vaper.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 06:06:21 PM
LM,  Louise just got her elder sister to cancel attending a big bridge tournament in St. Augustine.  Here's what Louise sent her yesterday:

Dr. Peter Hotez, during a Congressional hearing said the coronavirus
“is like the angel of death for older individuals.”

https://time.com/5799117/white-house-coronavirus-seniors-flying/

CDC: People at Risk for Serious Illness from COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 09, 2020, 06:11:15 PM
Buckworks, oof, I hope he gets sensible.

RC, I used that quote too, thanks for the suggestion.  You could tell Louise to use NFFC's tidbit below if she needs more ammunition.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 09, 2020, 06:15:10 PM
Vietnams first case in a while, number 17, flew in from London. 12 other people on the same flight have tested positive already. Business class with just 21 passengers.

Holy crap!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
Or tell them this....

Georgia preparing park for isolating patients exposed to coronavirus

https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/georgia-preparing-park-for-isolating-patients-exposed-coronavirus/qtEDELBUm8Xo0TqlCRhPgI/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 09, 2020, 07:17:48 PM
I called my 88 yr old mother on Sunday and told her The Plan for coronavirus:

1. If it looks like it's spreading locally or lockdown imminent I will come and get her and we will ride it out with my stacks of canned goods.

2. If she starts getting sick I will come and get her.  She can't cope with this on her own.  We'll ride it out as best we can.

3. If I get sick first, then she's on her own and she should stay isolated as best she can.  I'll self isolate on my own.

I didn't want to scare her but I wanted her to know how dangerous this is and take extra precautions.  Mentally, she's tough, so I think it went well.  And also: that she's not alone unless we hit #3.

She has a heart condition but she's always had an amazing immune system against flu and the common cold.  She's also had her flu shot and the full course of pneumonia vaccines which will help against secondary infections if nothing else.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 07:45:47 PM
Lousy Coronavirus Prep in US Is Making It Worse for Canada

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xmnj/lousy-coronavirus-prep-in-us-is-making-it-worse-for-canada
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 09, 2020, 08:09:53 PM
A local lady just died, she was 60.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-09/woman-in-her-60s-is-first-coronavirus-death-in-santa-clara-county-a-tragic-development
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 08:10:14 PM
Israel orders all arrivals from abroad into two-week quarantine | The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-orders-all-arrivals-from-abroad-into-two-week-quarantine/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 08:35:23 PM
2 positive, 5 presumed positive cases of Coronavirus in South Carolina, officials confirm


https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-south-carolina-current-cases/101-adcbb7ba-6d19-40a0-9f95-f251d0d682d7
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 09, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Snapshot:  I went to Aldi today.  There was no hand sanitizer on the shelves.  Liquid hand soap was down to maybe 20 assorted pump bottles but it was actually marked down on sale!  Looks like Aldi is quietly doing a civic thing because their regular price is real good already.

Toilet roll was in stock.  It looked like the display got hit hard but they still had plenty.

Most of the rest of the store seemed well stocked.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 09, 2020, 09:06:24 PM
All of Italy to be placed under lockdown.  The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/09/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-italy-lockdown-quarantine-uk-usa-america-australia-recession-fears-update-latest-news?page=with:block-5e66a9ee8f085f0b8d945352#block-5e66a9ee8f085f0b8d945352
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 09, 2020, 09:32:45 PM
Vietnamese man cheats, sending staff to be quarantined in his stead - VnExpress International
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnamese-man-cheats-sending-staff-to-be-quarantined-in-his-stead-4066725.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 09, 2020, 11:51:25 PM
'Real' U.S. Coronavirus Cases May Have Topped 9,000, Scientists Say (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-09/real-us-coronavirus-cases-may-have-topped-9-000-scientists-say)

Quote
The investigators said they chose "very conservative" methods to estimate the number of coronavirus cases. "This makes our current estimation [of more than 9,000] likely to be an underestimation of the true number of infected individuals in the U.S.," they wrote in a medical center news release.

Their paper has not been peer-reviewed and should be considered preliminary until that time. It's posted online on a forum where physicians and researchers share information.

"We are making the results public before peer review as it will be important for timely and informed public health decision-making. We are also making the model available to the research community so that others can build upon it,"
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 10, 2020, 01:06:02 AM
Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds | South China Morning Post
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 10, 2020, 01:25:37 AM
Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds | South China Morning Post
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay

This:

Quote
The researchers also found that none of those passengers in the two buses who wore face masks were infected.
They said it vindicated the decision to ask people to wear a face mask in public.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 10, 2020, 04:48:53 AM
Looks like we're at a special level of hubris and incompetence.
Quote
CDC data now confirms that to date there have only been ~4000 persons tested in the entire United States total. By comparison, South Korea - a much smaller country - had tested over 65,000 people in the first week after their first case was detected.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 10, 2020, 06:06:14 AM
Still people are suggesting it’s not that serious.

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 10, 2020, 09:48:21 AM
Iran looks good atm :-/

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/human-rights/27516-iran-coronavirus-death-toll-exceeds-2-000
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 10, 2020, 06:11:50 PM
' masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness. The efficacy against proven viral infection and between P2 masks and surgical masks was non-significant.'

The First Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial of Mask Use in Households to Prevent Respiratory Virus Transmission - International Journal of Infectious Diseases

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712%2808%2901008-4/fulltext
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 10, 2020, 07:21:02 PM
I went P3 and eye protection.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 10, 2020, 07:28:35 PM
I went P3 and eye protection.

I have two masks for spraying lacquer. They stop VOCs. That's a lot to wear around though. I was spraying lacquer yesterday and was walking around outdoors with it and wondered if the people driving by thought I was crazy or doing construction
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 10, 2020, 07:51:24 PM
> lacquer

Spray lacquer without the mask and you won't know or care if you have a virus.  (One large section of my house is paneled in lacquered tongue & groove juniper, I was high for days.)

OT:
All I have is surgical masks. I was glad to see them listed as effective ...though I never did subscribe to the idea that they wouldn't help.  That just didn't make sense.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 10, 2020, 07:59:08 PM
The whole “they don’t work” is hog sh##.

This is confirmed when the authorities say they need to be kept for medical staff.

Which is it?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 10, 2020, 08:05:54 PM
>The whole “they don’t work” is hog sh##.

I agree. I suspect the hog sh## was part of a plan to keep the panic level down when the shelves went bare.

BTW, I saw in my headlines that masks were proven to be effective by the Chinese during the SARS outbreak.  So the above study is not just a one-off.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 11, 2020, 09:13:25 AM
Why are there so few cases in Russia (rhetorical). 
Interesting though. I had only just spotted it.

Aeroflot is not the airline it used to be.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 11, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
so  do you think I should go to Austria Skiing at the end of March?

Rupert, what's your current thinking?

I have a ski trip booked at the same time in Switzerland and am keeping a close eye on things.

All the Northern Italian ski resorts have shut for the season this week.

In Austria:  Ischgl has shut all apres ski bars - though restaurants and the lifts remain open.  I see St Anton seems to be shutting some apres ski bars - not 100% confirmed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 11, 2020, 11:50:53 AM
How it messes you up

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-08/coronavirus-nears-fatal-tipping-point-when-lungs-are-inflamed
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 11, 2020, 11:52:16 AM
Just been speaking with someone who has a relative relative is drawing up plans for what the NHS will do. As in a real Dr.

They are looking at all sorts of stuff eg

1. Hierarchy of beds. eg if all things the same between two people, if you have kids you get first dibs.

2. The way it attacks the lungs if you get it sleep upright, and perform lung physio. Who involves whacking your chest.

3. You can't afford  this, but if you are struggling you need and ECMO bed
https://www.thoracic.org/patients/patient-resources/resources/what-is-ecmo.pdf

4. Some light reading
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-08/coronavirus-nears-fatal-tipping-point-when-lungs-are-inflamed
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 11, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
Good read
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 11, 2020, 02:31:08 PM
Adam,
There is a group of 10 of us, 3 families. We are booked to leave on 30th for 5 days.

I think that the flights will have been cancelled before we get to that date, and I am not cancelling, as then my insurance will not pay out.....

If I can fly, we "might" still go, but it really depends on what is happening on the ground, but I think it is getting to be unlikely. dont you?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 11, 2020, 02:36:51 PM
Important
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
> as then my insurance will not pay out....

Rupert, I'm reading that without “Cancel For Any Reason” (CFAR) coverage add-on, standard travel insurances are not paying out using the 'infectious disease' fine print.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 11, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
Map tracking coronavirus outbreak worldwide, hourly.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
<+>

Hundreds of Virus Patients Allowed to Try Gilead’s Ebola Drug
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/pharma-and-life-sciences/hundreds-of-corona-patients-allowed-to-try-gileads-ebola-drug
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 03:31:28 PM
>Map tracking coronavirus outbreak worldwide, hourly.

Been using it for weeks now. It lags. Good for previous day numbers, though.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 11, 2020, 03:40:23 PM
Quote
Map tracking coronavirus outbreak worldwide, hourly.

Just realied I have been looking at the same one wrapped in a paypervids URL :) 
https://www.paypervids.com/coronavirus-live-interactive-map/

muppet.  only just looked at the source code!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 11, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
>I am not cancelling, as then my insurance will not pay out.....

Pandemic, they not paying out for anything. Cancel last moment if need be, lots of airlines bringing in a "if you already booked or about to book you can change flights free" stuff.

But mostly cancel.

Worth a gander https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on March 11, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
lots of airlines bringing in a "if you already booked or about to book you can change flights free" stuff.

In the US, that's mostly just for new bookings at this point. For United it's for bookings made after Mar 3. For Frontier it's for bookings made after Mar 10.

>>travel insurance

That depends on when you booked. EVery company has a different cutoff date.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/travel-insurance/coronavirus-questions/

Also, travel insurance is actually ridiculously hard to collect on. So many of the most common reasons for cancellation are not covered. I always advise people to either get no insurance and be comfortable with Sunk Costs or get "cancel for any reason" insurance, which is expensive, must be purchased within 14 days of first payment for your trip and almost never pays out 100%. But if you want insurance, get "cancel for any cause/reason" or no insurance at all.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 06:08:54 PM
Southwest let me cancel the trip to TX but would only issue a credit to my account for future use.

Disney World canceled the hotel rooms but the tickets were put on ''future use" status --no credit issued.

This was done first week of Feb, so policies might have changed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 06:34:12 PM
viable virus could be detected up to...

3 hours later in the air
4 hours on copper
24 hours on cardboard
2-3 DAYS on plastic and stainless steel.


https://apnews.com/fe0239e95b8ad1037639ed833b990e48
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 11, 2020, 06:52:24 PM
How do I plan a wedding during the coronavirus outbreak?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/10/coronavirus-how-plan-wedding-amid-covid-19-outbreak/4950647002/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 11, 2020, 07:21:56 PM
My insurance company cover me if I am advised not to travel by the Govt, or if the flight is cancelled.

I am not covered for unwillingness.

I have checked with them.  I do have to talk to the airline first of course. Its likely to be protracted for example I have Only just got £500 from Norwegian after a 6 hour delay last Autumn.

also, useful info: 

Quote
The airline I’m due to travel with has cancelled flights because it’s to an area where the FCO/DFA are advising against travel to and I can no longer travel am I covered?

    Under EU Law your airline must let you choose between either a refund or an alternative flight.

As for Weddings, a friend rents out a big house for weddings....  he is worried that people will start to cancel....

We had our first cancellation on the holiday property. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 11, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
>Southwest

That's always been their policy. If you fly semi-regularly, it's easy to use the (full) credit.

>copper

Saw a tweet about copper tape on door knobs as a cheap mitigation strategy for retirement homes / at-risk folks. Lots available on Amazon.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 11, 2020, 08:13:04 PM
This is Jen's prep list:

Quote
-frozen fruits and veggies, frozen meats, frozen protein sources for Maddie
-canned veggies, beans, lots of canned tomatoes
-chicken stock, veggie stock
-dried fruits and nuts
-canned fish
-rice, dried beans, pasta/pasta sauce
-produce that won't go bad for a while like squash, onions, potatoes, cabbage, daikon and citrus fruit
-cheese (can put some in the freezer)
-butter, flour, yeast, sugar
-water (I didn't buy, but just filled up empty milk containers and rotate through them to water plants so they will be relatively fresh)
-toilet paper, paper towels, pads, tampons
-over the counter medications (allergy, pain)
-hand sanitizer, alcohol, wipes
 
There are quality of life items like:

-coffee/tea/favorite drinks
-chocolate
-favorite snacks/crackers, etc.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 11, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Going viral right now: https://staythefuckhome.com/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 11, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
>prep list

-Get 'scripts filled as soon as available
-RC's mail sanitation solution seems smart (especially if you start ordering replenishment online)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Torben on March 11, 2020, 08:40:35 PM
Denmark is shutting down for 2 weeks. All schools and non-critical instutions will be closed for the next 2 weeks. We only have 500 confirmed cases but it is rising fast, so the government has decided to action so we don't end up like Italy
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2020, 10:05:17 PM
>like Italy

Or worse,  the US bumblefucks.

Research finds huge impact of interventions on spread of Covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/research-finds-huge-impact-of-interventions-on-spread-of-covid-19
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 11, 2020, 10:08:29 PM
US Govt orders all health deliberations as being classified

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive-idUSKBN20Y2LM
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 11, 2020, 10:23:22 PM
North Portland’s Shine Distillery Is Giving Away House-Made, 80-Percent-Alcohol Hand ‘Cleaner’

https://pdx.eater.com/2020/3/11/21174997/shine-distillery-hand-cleaning-solution
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 01:54:43 AM
NO Eurotrash!

Trump Announces 30-Day Ban On All Travel From Europe With UK Exception To Combat Wuhan Virus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 12, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
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Trump Announces 30-Day Ban On All Travel From Europe With UK Exception To Combat Wuhan Virus

BREXIT!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 12, 2020, 10:06:30 AM
sh## plan. All will come to UK / Ireland to fly home.

So we get the traffic.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 12, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
My Amazon Supply Pipeline: Stuff ordered but not yet delivered.

1. DAK 6 X 16 oz. canned hams
2. Pedialyte Electrolyte Powder
3. 3M Personal Protective Equipment Large Half Facepiece Reusable Respirator
4. 3M 2097 P100 Particulate Filter with Organic Vapor Relief, 2 Pairs (4 Filters)
5. NOW Foods - Zinc Picolinate 50 mg, 120 capsules
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 12, 2020, 12:48:33 PM
Adam,
There is a group of 10 of us, 3 families. We are booked to leave on 30th for 5 days.

I think that the flights will have been cancelled before we get to that date, and I am not cancelling, as then my insurance will not pay out.....

If I can fly, we "might" still go, but it really depends on what is happening on the ground, but I think it is getting to be unlikely. dont you?

Less and less likely by the day.

Similar boat.  At least we haven't paid up front for the hotel, just the flights.  My biggest fear about taking the trip (if its even possible) is ports closing whilst we're away or some enforced quarantine that delays us getting home.  Time for a back up plan.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 12, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
Quote
is ports closing whilst we're away or some enforced quarantine that delays us getting home.


There is always a plus.... extra skiing.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 12, 2020, 05:01:36 PM
>sh## plan
It is no plan at all, we are void of leadership.  I think we are very likely to be similar to Italy here.  People can't even get tested.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 06:44:24 PM
Iran: Coronavirus burial pits so vast they’re visible from space

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: BoL on March 12, 2020, 08:53:34 PM
Keeping kids off school in the UK seems inevitable. Not sure why the Scotland vs Wales game as the Millenium Stadium is still happening.

Just worried about the older folks in my family, one of my nieces works at the local hospital.

The financial indices have taken some pounding. Was almost tempted on a spread bet but abstaining from gambling.

If there's an upshot, this reduced consumption will be good for global warming. Contentious I know!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
>Contentious

Not as much as THIS guy;

Telegraph journalist says coronavirus ‘cull’ of elderly could benefit economy
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/telegraph-journalist-says-coronavirus-cull-elderly-benefit-economy-12383907/

That's right, of course.  Clear the unproductive dead wood and pensioners. Free up loads of resources.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on March 12, 2020, 09:30:08 PM
Will be interesting to see the updated sales projections for us with the NCAA tournament cancelled, NBA and NHL on hold for now, MLB delayed a couple weeks, soccer games cancelled and postponed, etc. Guessing it will be quite a substantial number. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 09:36:15 PM
Canceling March Madness will kill more North Carolinians than CV19. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 12, 2020, 10:26:16 PM
Indiana Governor today:
https://calendar.in.gov/site/gov/event/gov-holcomb-announces-new-steps-to-protect-public-from-covid-19/

It looks like the States have quit waiting around for guidance from the Feds.  CA, WA, NY have already taken the lead. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
Ohio & NC governors just went rogue.  Crowd limits set at 100.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 12, 2020, 11:13:50 PM
They are allowed to do that I presume.

Haven’t understood the limit numbers. 1000 or 100 that’s still a lot of people.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 12, 2020, 11:15:49 PM
>100 that’s still a lot of people

That's the number in California too.  The idea is to slow down the spread.  We're not even trying to stop it, just keep it from overwhelming the health care system.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 12, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
>They are allowed to do that I presume.

Yeah. Once they declare a state of emergency, the gov is in the catbird seat.  NC gov said it wasn't mandatory, but if ignored he would make it so.

Your gov just issued an order that says CA can commandeer hotels to use as hospitals.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 12, 2020, 11:38:22 PM
>CA can commandeer hotels to use as hospitals

They just took over a hotel in San Carlos (10 minutes from here) to house the Grand Princess cruise ship people.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 01:29:15 AM
USA: CDC tested only 77 people this week; coronavirus testing slow around the nation (https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tested-only-77-people-this-week-coronavirus-testing-slow-around-the-nation-153646616.html)

We're going to make Italy look good in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 01:36:51 AM
We're still a Republic.  Let's hope most of our governors have the balls to do what they need to do. Our governor said today that the CDC didn't deliver what they'd promised and he wasn't going to wait for them any more.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 01:45:34 AM
Coronavirus can live in your body for up to 37 days, according to new study - CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-can-live-in-your-body-for-up-to-37-days-according-to-new-study/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 02:01:54 AM
Indiana set the limit at 250 which is too high, but I reckon he didn't want pushback from the churches.  I expect they will tighten that number down in the future.

>They are allowed to do that I presume.

For those not in the US:  States and their Governors have a lot of power almost the power of a sovereign.  They can declare a state of emergency or even martial law.  These are rarely used, so rarely that we often forget they have those powers, but they are there.

>Republic

This is a perfect example of why we are a Federal Republic: when the Fed's refuse to act or for whatever reason cannot act, the States can act, if they have the balls.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 13, 2020, 02:20:52 AM
Canada's First Lady, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, has tested positive:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/sophie-gregoire-trudeau-tests-positive-for-covid-19-pm-begins-14-day-isolation-1.4850159
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 03:02:46 AM
I was rather proud of our POA (HOA) at the meeting tonight.  They are organizing volunteers that will do the marketing for people in the neighborhood that have to self-isolate due to the coronavirus.  POA's get a lot of sh## on social networks but mine has always risen to the occasion to help neighbors in a crisis.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 03:52:55 AM
What Governors Are Doing To Tackle Spreading Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/815200313/what-governors-are-doing-to-tackle-spreading-coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 13, 2020, 07:37:18 AM
>but I reckon he didn't want pushback from the churches.

If live streaming is good enough for the Pope...

Could be a problem here in Cyprus. Easter is a huge time for church and celebrations, entire villages get together. 12th April this year, off to have a word with the Mayor!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 13, 2020, 08:43:20 AM
LM.. the skiing comment was just a bad attempt to lighten the mood.

Looks like the place is shutting down now:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-austrian-resorts-stem-virus.html

Someone said to me last night, had I noticed how many famous folk had tested positive, and that it seemed out of proportion to all the other figures available...

Ties in with the theory its out there.... and most get mild symptoms.

I am off work today (Staying at home) with a cough. First positive in my home town too, Ashbourne. Pop less than 10,000.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 13, 2020, 09:05:27 AM
RC did you ever work out the number of residence at that Seattle nursing home?

Quote
“The mortality rate is shocking,” said Mark Parkinson, president and chief executive of the American Health Care Association. He said the death rate might well exceed the 15 percent that had been reported in China for people aged 80 and older.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 13, 2020, 10:24:37 AM
>> famous folk

They are people with extensive social networks who are probably out and about more than we ordinary mortals.

It's similar to how diseases spread fastest along transportation routes. Lots of contacts!

------

On a different note, I saw a coronavirus graphic on Facebook, red with spiky things, and at first my brain thought it was a crocheted wool hat with bobbles. A slightly macabre craft idea!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 13, 2020, 12:31:52 PM
>Someone said to me last night, had I noticed how many famous folk had tested positive

What we need, and forgive me, is one of them to die. A Rock Hudson moment.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 13, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
Tom Hanks is solid. Aids and shipwreck survivor.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Drastic on March 13, 2020, 01:29:31 PM
Welp, our SC gov seems to think everything is just fine and no need to cancel anything, from wed:

https://www.wistv.com/2020/03/11/sc-governor-says-schools-should-not-close-events-should-not-cancel-wake-coronavirus/

At this point, I am figuring we're going to get this. It is just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 13, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
My Hotel has refunded... The whole of the Tyrol is shutting down this weekend. Just Easyjet to tackle.

The UK govt seem to have announced they want 60% of the population to get it.... get some herd defences up.  Meanwhile the old and other costly people die. feeling a tad cynical.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 02:19:45 PM
>RC did you ever work out the number of residence at that Seattle nursing home?

The last I saw was 19 and still on a rampage. CV is also now in 10+ elder care facilities in that state. But I had to quit following that story and shift my focus to North Carolina nursing home policy research to help my daughter.  I fine-tuned my newsfeed firehose and sent her dozens of articles supporting total lock-down of visitation to support her pressuring corporate.  Late yesterday, corporate did agree and she went to a visitation ban.

Now I'm working on a travel ban for dumb-a## nursing home staff who insist on traveling to impacted areas for vacations, family reunions, etc.

===========

Though Louise & I thought we had enough household supplies for 2 weeks isolation, we decided to would increase it for a longer stay.  Currently, the closest cases are an hour away, so we were expecting the grocery store to be in better shape than those pictured in the news.  We waited until 11 pm so that there wouldn't be many shoppers, donned our dorky surgical masks, and went.  As expected, the shelves were stocked pretty well, plenty of food & produce. Only the bread and toilet paper aisles were hard hit -90% empty- but we were able to find some, just not the usual brands.  Hand sanitizer, peroxide, and iso alcohol were out-of-stock. We bought the last 2 large jugs of liquid soap.

Nobody pointed and hooted at us for wearing masks, so I didn't have to kill anyone.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 03:25:38 PM
<+>

Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces for *NINE* days - nih.gov
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/32035997/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on March 13, 2020, 04:23:13 PM
>>grocery store to be in better shape than those pictured in the news

I went last night. Most of the store was still fine. There were no bags of rice left and only a few bags of flour. Plenty of pasta, canned goods, cereal, frozen food, and other shelf stable food. The TP aisle was hit hard. Didn't check the soap or sanitizer aisle.

Pretty sure we are stocked up enough to get us through about a month if needed. A freezer full of meat, a shed full of charcoal, and a backyard full of grills should keep us eating for a while. And a pantry full of beans, rice, pasta, canned fruit, etc. Milk and eggs might be a problem after a couple weeks. There are a couple big jugs of soap in the closet too.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 13, 2020, 04:39:12 PM
We could likely last three months without resupply but menus would be getting weird if it went on too long.  8)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 04:59:57 PM
>Milk and eggs might be a problem after a couple weeks.

Milk is huge in this house.  We're still planning on getting it 2-3 gallons at a time while we are able too.  It would be nice if we had available pasteurized milk like the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 05:03:58 PM
I just got back from the store.  They are not out of most shelf stable items, but the shelves have been hit pretty hard (ie you can get pasta but maybe not the shape or brand you like.)  Canned fruit, oatmeal and peanut butter also hit hard.  Plenty of liquid hand soap but the shelves are not full.  No hand sanitzer.

The run has begun.

The big difference between now and less than a week ago: Trump's speech.  The man  punctured everybody's confidence.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
>milk

3 days ago Amazon still had powdered milk.

#10 cans of powdered eggs will be available in 1 - 3 months.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
>Amazon

I'm just seeing small (pricy) packs of powdered milk now.  You have a link?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 13, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
This week, the CDC has tested 77 people for coronavirus & the Utah Jazz have tested 58.

https://twitter.com/jesselehrich/status/1238253019176873985?s=21

I don't think you realise how bad this is going to.

We saw it coming and sent Meghan over the water to help steady the ship, alas not enough.

If you ask very nicely and say sorry about the tea thing we will send: Her Britannic Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her Other Realms and Territories Beyond the Seas, Queen, Defender of the Faith, Head of the Commonwealth.

She will sort the mess out for you.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 05:37:55 PM
>Amazon

I'm just seeing small (pricy) packs of powdered milk now.  You have a link?

That was quick.  All the big cans are gone.  Sorry. 

Dollar store?  Costco?  Camping supply?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 05:39:52 PM
>the CDC has tested 77

This is not an accident.  When you have a moron for president people get to die.  Trump reportedly rejected aggressive coronavirus testing in hopes it would help his re-election (https://theweek.com/speedreads/902009/trump-reportedly-rejected-aggressive-coronavirus-testing-hopes-help-reelection)

Added:

Thanks Brad, it is not essential for us, we are well stocked otherwise.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
>milk

Look in the baking aisle for Rice Dream. It is easy to like, has a long shelf life boxed.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GPG6BE/

Also the almond milks are tolerable. Louise says it is also becoming available in un-refrigerated box form now.

>copper

I had some copper tape and just put a copper cover on the handle to the mailbox. Good thinking, Trav.

>produce

Get some heads of cabbage.  You can leave it on your porch, balcony, or anywhere that'll keep it out of reach of vermin.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2020, 06:08:42 PM
Some of my Amazon packages have gone AWOL.  No tracking just "if it does not arrive by X date we'll talk."  I think they just put these on a pack mule, slapped it on the butt and hoped it would find it's way here.

Specifically the canned hams and pedialyte have gone missing.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 06:25:56 PM
Ouch, sorry Brad. 

We have some milk substitutes here from TJs, almond milk, coconut milk, and some rice milk.  Its just nice to have the real thing for the kids.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 06:32:42 PM
>AWOL

I'm hoping my ozone generators get here tomorrow.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 06:37:18 PM
Italy to suspend mortgage payments amid outbreak (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51814481)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 06:55:48 PM
>mortgage

PG&E says it will stop cutting off power in Cali for overdue payments.

==========

New York Gov. Cuomo says state has the most coronavirus cases in the US as new cases jump 30% overnight to 421
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/new-york-state-now-has-the-most-coronavirus-cases-in-the-us-as-new-cases-jump-30percent-overnight-to-421.html

National Guard activated to combat coronavirus spread in six states, more to follow
https://www.armytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/03/13/national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-spread-in-six-states-more-to-follow/

Fauci answers: What's The Latest On The Coronavirus Vaccine?
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/whats-the-latest-on-the-coronavirus-vaccine/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 13, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
"In the last hour, the Cypriot government has announced that only its citizens, along with other Europeans working on the island and people with special permits will be allowed into the country for a 15-day period beginning on Sunday."

Not the only ones either.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 09:08:49 PM
Link (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/johnson-s-u-k-virus-strategy-needs-people-to-catch-the-disease)
Quote
Boris Johnson’s government hasn’t quite said it, but its plan for tackling coronavirus is clear: Slow the disease’s spread, but don’t stop it. Most people will get the disease, a lot of them will feel very ill, but almost all of them will recover.

The goal is “herd immunity” -- the point where a high enough proportion of the population has had an illness, and gained immunity to it, that it won’t be transmitted to those who haven’t had it. The aim is to achieve this over the summer months, before the next winter sets in.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 13, 2020, 09:24:24 PM
"In the last hour, the Cypriot government has announced that only its citizens, along with other Europeans working on the island and people with special permits will be allowed into the country for a 15-day period beginning on Sunday."

Not the only ones either.

I assume you fall into one of those categories?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 13, 2020, 11:11:13 PM
> I assume you fall into one of those categories?

Residency permit so yes.

Plus I'm here and not leaving.

5 year visa the other end so I can go back home if need be. No point until they open the schools and they won't open the schools until it's safe. Schools have been closed since 22nd Jan btw, they don't play in Vietnam.

School work all online. Never realised how much work the kids have to do and how advanced it is.

Also never realised how much I love touching my face ;)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2020, 11:32:00 PM
Cyprus reporting 19.  Got a yacht moored at the dock?

>Also never realised how much I love touching my face

We did.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 13, 2020, 11:40:52 PM
>> we did

Today’s winning comment 😂
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 14, 2020, 01:42:38 AM
Judging from how people are acting, I think the average American woke up yesterday/today and went from ignoring to near panic.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 14, 2020, 08:42:50 AM
My Hotel has refunded... The whole of the Tyrol is shutting down this weekend. Just Easyjet to tackle.


Switzerland a little later to react but have now decided to close all ski areas from Sunday.

Free cancellation on our hotel with Booking and for the flights a voucher we can use within a year with BA to any destination, so not really out of pocket.

Glad I got 2 trips in before this kicked off. Mrs C (who didn't) isn't so sanguine.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 14, 2020, 08:57:39 AM
This is a good roundup in the U.K. approach which many think is insane.

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 14, 2020, 11:22:27 AM
Boarders do matter.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 14, 2020, 01:30:28 PM
Funny and sad both at once!

"Honest government ad"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 03:51:33 PM
Newborn baby tests positive for coronavirus in London
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/newborn-baby-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-london
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 14, 2020, 04:06:07 PM
Rumour has it laptops are hard to find in some parts of the UK, as everyone wants to work from home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
>work from home

My ISP, Spectrum, slowed considerably starting about 2 days ago.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 08:05:46 PM
Coronavirus: Donald Trump extends US travel ban to UK and Ireland - The National
https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/coronavirus-donald-trump-extends-us-travel-ban-to-uk-and-ireland-1.992507
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 14, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
From Twitter:  Civicscience started it, Mark Cuban picked it up for the Mavs and his companies:  They are going to reimburse their working from home employees for lunch and coffee/tea if bought at a small local shop no big corp chains.

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1238866595382013953?s=20

Also my reusable respirator half mask from 3M came in as well as the filters.  (Hat Tip to RC and ukgimp who gave me the idea when they were talking about P2 and P3 masks)

Also, 2 recipes for hand sanitizers (one a spray) from Wired:

https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-make-hand-sanitizer/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 14, 2020, 08:34:27 PM
>travel ban

As we all know this basically near pointless at this point, it is here spreading domestically across the country.  What needs to happen is mass temperature screening for all domestic and international flights and any other situation where people collect together.   Mexico is talking about closing the border with the United States.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 14, 2020, 08:53:00 PM
Interactive data, good for lots of visuals on growth curves and such -- getting a little hammered right now.

https://www.gohkokhan.com/corona-virus-interactive-dashboard-tweaked/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
New governator not cutting any slack.

Governor Roy Cooper
@NC_Governor
Today, I’m issuing an Executive Order to stop mass gatherings of more than 100 people across the state. We issued this as guidance on Thursday, however, despite this guidance, several venues continued their events, so today’s order makes it mandatory.
4:31 PM · Mar 14, 2020
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 09:51:23 PM
'The cobas test aims to provide results in three-and-a-half hours, with a total of 1,440 samples tested per day on the 6800 system and 4,128  per day on the larger 8800. It can also be run simultaneously with other disease assays.

FDA grants Roche coronavirus test emergency green light within 24 hours

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/fda-grants-roche-coronavirus-test-emergency-green-light-within-24-hours
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
'The Pentagon will soon impose an almost complete lockdown on travel for its military and **CIVILIAN** workforce as part of its effort to stem the spread of coronavirus, officials said Friday night.'

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2020/03/dod-imposes-near-total-domestic-travel-ban-for-its-personnel/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 14, 2020, 10:10:51 PM
Re milk:

I just came back from having tea with my 90-year-old neighbour. Our conversation included quarantine prep, and she dropped a comment that caught my attention after some of the comments in this thread.

She mentioned that she had some cartons of regular fresh milk in one of her freezers (!), and intended to get some more. She said frozen milk isn't quite like fresh when it thaws, but even if someone didn't enjoy drinking it straight it would be good for cocoa, smoothies, baking, puddings, etc.

i told her I'd mention this to some of my internet friends and she was pleased to think it might be a helpful thought even though she wasn't quite sure what a forum is!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 14, 2020, 10:19:55 PM
Thank you Buckworks and please thank your neighbor for me.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2020, 11:34:50 PM
Currently, the death rate in Washington state is 6.2%
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 14, 2020, 11:37:32 PM
I’ve been freezing milk for years?

You US folk are a little odd.

Word of warning, it can go a funny colour when frozen. Goes back to normal.

100% ok.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 15, 2020, 12:08:41 AM
I’ve been freezing milk for years?

You US folk are a little odd.

Never had a reason to freeze milk before, maybe its because we've haven't had scarcity since WWII.  Is this something done a lot over there?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Drastic on March 15, 2020, 12:27:19 AM
>You US folk are a little odd.

Your emergency sammich would like to have a word. hhhh
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 15, 2020, 01:52:47 AM
New governator not cutting any slack.

Governor Roy Cooper
@NC_Governor
Today, I’m issuing an Executive Order to stop mass gatherings of more than 100 people across the state. We issued this as guidance on Thursday, however, despite this guidance, several venues continued their events, so today’s order makes it mandatory.
4:31 PM · Mar 14, 2020

We've had the 100 people prohibition for a few days now.  The local mandate just went up.

Quote
On order of the health officer, gatherings of more than 50 individuals are prohibited in San Mateo County effective 12:01 a.m. Sunday, March 15, 2020. Gatherings between 10 and 50 individuals are prohibited unless specific mitigation measures are taken:


The space in which the gathering is held must accommodate social distancing by allowing all attendees to stand or sit at least six feet from any other attendee;
   
Proper hand hygiene and sanitation material must be readily available to all persons at all times, including soap and waste receptacles. If soap and water are not available, alcohol-based hand sanitizer can be used.
   
Persons hosting gatherings must alert prospective attendees at least 24 hours prior to the gathering that gatherings pose a heightened risk of COVID-19 transmission, and that older adults and individuals with existing health conditions are at particularly serious risk if they contract COVID-19 and should not attend;
   
Persons hosting gatherings must clean surfaces with disinfecting wipes or other standard cleaners before, during, and after the event

10 to 50 exemptions:
hospitals
hotels
offices
airport
regular religious services
grocery stores
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 02:22:18 AM
High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID-19 by Jingyuan Wang, Ke Tang, Kai Feng, Weifeng Lv
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 02:47:42 AM
Not yet credible, IMO, but I'm seeing the headline spread.

UK Elderly to be quarantined 'for four months' in 'war-time' style coronavirus plan | Metro News
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/14/elderly-quarantined-four-months-war-time-style-plans-battle-coronavirus-12399289/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 15, 2020, 04:23:36 AM
Metro. Not even bothered to click the link. :-)

Drastic. The emergency Sandwhich will save you. Well it will stop you being hungry. But that’s a start :-)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 15, 2020, 07:11:12 AM
>frozen milk

Get some protein powder instead/as well

>You US folk are a little odd.

Pot, kettle.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 15, 2020, 09:10:17 AM
We also have been freezing milk for years. Its fine.
Defrost in a bowl of water and it's quick and better controlled.

Don't trust the Metro. Rich is right. If a little odd these days 😂😂
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 15, 2020, 11:50:57 AM
Mexico Mulls Shutting Northern Border Over Virus Spread Threat

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mexico-mulls-shutting-northern-border-over-virus-spread-threat

ADDED:
TROOPS ON THE STREETS Army brought in to guard hospitals and supermarkets in UK
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11175682/army-brought-into-guard-hospitals-supermarkets-coronavirus/

SEE ICU BEDS BELOW

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 15, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
ICU beds Mike.

Who is going to pay for that. You're quite expensive over there.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
All U.S. Travelers Now Under A Level 2 Travel Advisory

Level 2 also means that ALL travelers should monitor their health and limit interactions with others for a period of 14 days after returning from travel **WITHIN** the U.S.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/03/14/the-us-is-now-under-a-level-2-travel-advisory/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 15, 2020, 03:04:40 PM
Seen and Heard:  One guy on the Internets, in self isolation, said he was drinking "quarantinis"  which are just regular martinis but you drink them alone.  hhh
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 03:31:14 PM
 "quarantinis" 

New recipe per /r is Everclear spiked with 1000mg of vitamin C.  Drink 2 of those and you're guaranteed to self-quarantine for a day.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Torben on March 15, 2020, 05:59:13 PM
Simulation of quaratine and social distancing https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 06:54:40 PM
>Metro

UK Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks' - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51895873
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 15, 2020, 07:47:57 PM
From Monday, 16 March from 6 am for four weeks, the closure of the following businesses is mandatory:

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/03/15/coronavirus-cafes-department-stores-to-close-full-list-of-businesses-to-close/

Luckily I got a tip off, supermarket raided, we set.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 08:10:49 PM
Someone emailed me saying how they'd been tracking cv for a long time -- since March 1st.  Pfffftt! This thread was started  25-01-2020.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 08:22:15 PM
US man tested and in quarantine since Feb 4th is still testing positive after 6 weeks.
https://www.hometownstation.com/santa-clarita-news/coronavirus/carl-goldman-tests-positive-once-again-for-coronavirus-in-covid-19-quarantine-part-28-317645

==============

Gov DeWine Closes Restaurants And Bars In Ohio
https://radio.wosu.org/post/coronavirus-ohio-dewine-closes-restaurants-and-bars-ohio
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 15, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
Norwegian university tells students in US to return home due to ‘poorly developed health services.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/norwegian-university-tells-students-in-us-to-return-home-due-to-poorly-developed-health-services-report/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
California Gov. Newsom orders home isolation for ALL SENIORS, bars to close, restaurants to limit capacity
https://www.ktvu.com/news/california-gov-newsom-orders-home-isolation-for-all-seniors-bars-to-close-restaurants-to-limit-capacity
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 15, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
CDC recommends that for the next 8 weeks, organizers cancel or postpone in-person events that consist of 50 people or more throughout the U.S..
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Drastic on March 16, 2020, 02:55:45 AM
Schools are closed statewide here through end of the month. Finally someone is waking up.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 16, 2020, 03:35:43 AM
The Mexican government telling everyone COVID-19 no big deal...
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 16, 2020, 09:18:57 AM
https://wcti12.com/news/offbeat/oregon-police-department-asks-public-to-avoid-calling-911-if-they-run-out-of-toilet-paper
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 16, 2020, 02:27:36 PM
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2020, 02:59:44 PM
A report from a neighbor:  all the local Big Box appliance stores have sold out of freezers.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 03:20:27 PM
Welp, AFAIK, Walmart is the only local grocery store that has online ordering -pickup only. Louise thought she'd give it a trial run to fill in a few thin spots in the pantry.  Nope, the available pickup times are full for the next 2 days (which is the limit in their cart).  She's going to try after midnight to get in the queue.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2020, 03:27:32 PM
And Russia....

Claim 90 cases, 8 recovered Zero deaths.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 03:31:47 PM
>Russia

West Virginia is reporting zero ...but they haven't tested anyone.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on March 16, 2020, 04:14:34 PM
Schools closed here until April 24th. The governor closed all bars and restaurants last night. They can still do take out and delivery but no dine in. That is going to kill a lot of local restaurants and bars. The big chains should be OK but running a restaurant is already a tough road.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 16, 2020, 06:03:07 PM
The Mexican government telling everyone COVID-19 no big deal...

Here is what that says in English:

Quote
CORONAVIRUS COVID 19

IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

There is no need of cancelling massive events, working nor educational activities

There is also no need of panic buying.

Follow your normal activities but strengthen your prevention measures.

REMEMBER: The illness caused by the coronavirus COVID-19 is no big deal.

IF YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, WE'RE ALL TAKEN CARE OF!

Over the weekend they had a standing concert (Vive Latino) in Mexico City with 70 thousand attendance.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 16, 2020, 06:14:41 PM
Meanwhile: "'Do not call 911 just because you ran out of toilet paper', Oregon police say"

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/do-not-call-911-just-because-you-ran-out-of-toilet-paper-oregon-police-say
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 06:17:29 PM
>Here is what that says in English:

Looks like Darwin is going to take care of our immigration issues.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 06:40:57 PM
Canada closes borders to noncitizens, Americans exempt
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/canada-closes-borders-to-noncitizens-amid-pandemic
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
>70 thousand

Maybe Mexico has determined there is no way their medical system can cope and they just decided to get it over with, take their losses and go for herd immunity.   (I know nothing about Mexico's health care system.)

>Americans exempt

Decent of Canada, at least Americans can go buy life saving meds there at a sane price at Canadian pharmacies.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 07:34:18 PM
San Francisco orders residents to stay inside, except for essential needs
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/san-francisco-orders-residents-to-stay-inside-except-for-essential-needs.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 16, 2020, 08:34:06 PM
That's the whole SF Bay Area now 7.7 million people.  It is about time. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 16, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
 EPA spreadsheet: Amount of time the surface should remain wet with different disinfectants

List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2 | Pesticide Registration | US EPA
https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2020, 09:52:18 PM
Today is the day the world shut down
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
Roche Begins Delivery of COVID-19 Test Kits

https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/41901972/roche-begins-delivery-of-covid19-test-kits

Quote
The company says the delivery of the initial 400,000 test kits will be completed this week to laboratory testing sites throughout the country with many more on the way.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2020, 10:17:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoj2L2LpNA

Had a mate point me towards this.

TLTR  Zinc supplements and a malaria drug called chloroquine
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2020, 10:23:20 PM
That 400,000 will be the "a lot" that Trump was thinking of :)   He can be a bit special at times, especially when it comes to big numbers .
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 12:02:00 AM
th3core knew that already

Code: [Select]
These undocumented infections are about half as contagious as documented infections because people are not coughing and sneezing.

Yet they were found to be responsible for about two-thirds of documented infections – because they are so abundant.

People with mild symptoms can transmit a disease that creates major disease in others

Coronavirus: People without symptoms are driving disease's fast spread
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-infected-people-without-symptoms-are-driving-epidemics-fast-spread-says-new-study/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 12:19:57 AM
Transmission through eyes

Quote
Qin and colleagues dropped a solution containing the virus into two
monkeys’ eyes.
To their surprise, the researchers did not find the virus on the
surface of the monkeys’ eyes the next day. But several days later,
both animals tested positive.


Hopes for coronavirus vaccine rise after Chinese scientists find infected monkeys developed immunity | South China Morning Post
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3075438/hopes-coronavirus-vaccine-rise-after-chinese-scientists-find
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 17, 2020, 11:15:09 AM
Denmark Passes Law Enabling Forced Coronavirus Vaccinations

Citizens who refuse to be tested for the coronavirus will face fines and potential prison time, and will be prevented from entering shops, grocery stores, public institutions and hospitals while also being restricted from using public transport.

    “As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus,”

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 17, 2020, 12:05:08 PM
Here's What's Been Flying Off Store Shelves

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/16/816404689/spiking-demand-for-sanitizer-canned-goods-leaves-stores-struggling-to-keep-up?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr

Interesting list in that they give the percentage increase in demand.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom escalates coronavirus effort, asks all California restaurants and theaters to close - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-16/gavin-newsom-california-restaurants-theaters-closures-coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 02:02:01 PM
Panic buying prompts grocery stores to offer 'elderly hours' to help older shoppers - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/business/coronavirus-grocery-elder-hours-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 17, 2020, 02:02:18 PM
Testing the efficacy of homemade masks: would they protect in an influenza pandemic?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24229526
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 02:05:55 PM
Why isn’t the U.S. ready for a pandemic? For politicians, investing in prevention doesn’t pay off. - paywallWashington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/why-isnt-us-ready-pandemic-politicians-investing-prevention-doesnt-pay-off/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 17, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Nobody wants to pay for something that might happen.

This might change that.

I’m hoping this will have far reaching positive impacts on humanity. Let’s face it, it’s a bit f###ed up right now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 17, 2020, 02:36:10 PM
On a lighter note ... some of these made me laugh out loud:

https://www.boredpanda.com/quarantine-coronavirus-jokes/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
North Carolina to Close all Restaurants and Bars for Dine-in Business at 5pm, today.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 17, 2020, 03:15:51 PM
A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down Coronavirus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 17, 2020, 03:42:46 PM
Countdown to armed robbery is 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html

Added
He is donating it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 03:52:33 PM
Florida bars and nightclubs in the state are suspended for 30 days, beginning at 5 p.m.  Restaurants will have to limit their occupancy to 50%
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 04:06:13 PM
From UK:

Quote
Mr Trump said of the pandemic team that “some of the people we’ve cut they haven’t been used for many, many years and if we ever need them we can get them very quickly and rather then spending the money”.

“I’m a business person, I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them,” he added.

Video emerges showing Trump talking about cutting pandemic team in 2018, despite saying last week 'I didn't know about it' | The Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html

=========

Majority of Americans ‘don’t trust Trump to handle crisis’ as he asks for $850bn to fix pandemic he originally called a hoax

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-us-news-live-update-trump-latest-travel-ban-primaries-a9405821.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 04:12:42 PM
So far, we're mimicking the Italian curve & stats.

New York state coronavirus cases soar to about 1,700, hospitalizing 19%
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/new-york-state-coronavirus-cases-soar-to-more-than-1300-hospitalizing-19percent.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
Young People Are Still Partying and It's Risking Lives - VICE
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqme3/young-people-are-still-partying-coronavirus-and-its-risking-lives
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 04:37:11 PM
NC Outer Banks resort islands close the bridges to non-residents

Entry | Dare County, NC
https://www.darenc.com/departments/emergency-management/entry
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
TX: UPDATED: South Padre Island off-limits to large gatherings of spring breakers | KXAN.com
https://www.kxan.com/news/updated-south-padre-island-off-limits-to-large-gatherings-of-spring-breakers/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 17, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
> Italian curve & stats

The problem is we are flying blind here.  We have tested pitifully few people and even those we test have a 3 - 4 day lag until the results are known.  It's like trying to observe the whole US through a keyhole.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 06:18:31 PM
Worse than blind if you think the China stats were fudged.

2 days ago, I saw a side-by-side plotting of Italy vs US regarding cv19.  They plotted it by days since 1st case, not calendar dates.  There were very minor differences between the two.  Just yesterday, I read a report from (IIRC) the head of Italy's hospital association -he said 20% required hospitalization.  Yet another near match with what we're seeing so far.

Ominously, the Italian article was about triage --deciding who to treat, who to let die.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 06:22:49 PM
<+>
Another article about Italian triage.

Special Report: 'All is well'. In Italy, triage and lies for virus patients - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/special-report-all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
TX: Austin & Travis County; From SXSW to Zero.

Bars and restaurant dining rooms closed, gatherings of 10 or more prohibited in latest coronavirus restrictions
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200317/bars-and-restaurant-dining-rooms-closed-gatherings-of-10-or-more-prohibited-in-latest-coronavirus-restrictions
 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
<+>
Coronavirus: Texas National Guard activated | kvue.com
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-texas-national-guard-activated/269-3c5872a6-f9f3-4186-b3b7-b519cd32735c


Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
TX, now WI ...even our conservative states are getting with the program now.

Wisconsin to close all bars and restaurants (aside from take out and drive through) as of 5 PM tonight.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 17, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
I read of triage hierarchy for when it’s too busy.

Two us us all factors the same and the other guy has dependants, he gets first dibs. I die.

It’s not MF joke
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 07:52:25 PM
>has dependants, he gets first dibs

That's what I've read, too.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 17, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
Great info on transmissibility, lethality, and therapies from two respected and networked MDs. Detailed written notes or podcast form. They get into disease mechanism and pathology, Remdesivir, Convalescent plasma, nursing home issues, etc.

https://peterattiamd.com/peterhotez/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
Seems we're on a roll....

Denmark bans crowds of over 10 people to curb coronaviru
s - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark/denmark-bans-public-crowds-of-more-than-10-people-pm-idUSKBN2143KG
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 08:45:05 PM
Just some old stuff from the basement...

Pentagon to give 5 million masks and 2,000 ventilators for coronavirus
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/pentagon-to-give-5-million-masks-and-2000-ventilators-for-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 09:58:02 PM
"jaw-dropping numbers from some of Britain's top modellers of infectious disease, who predicted the deadly course of coronavirus could quickly kill hundreds of thousands in both the United Kingdom and the United States, as surges of sick and dying patients overwhelmed hospitals and critical care units."

UK Imperial College: How a chilling scientific paper helped upend US and UK strategies - NZ Herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12317669
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 17, 2020, 10:00:47 PM
I've been dividing the total cases by total deaths for a rough mort rate for the past week and it's currently 3.4%, going by this heatmap provided by someone here : https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

5 Days ago it was 3.2%, the graph is nearing vertical, UK Is about half of that which implies environmental factors count for something.

I'm concerned, reports from pals abroad etc, it's concerning.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Drastic on March 17, 2020, 10:03:49 PM
SC going on lockdown. No soup for you (me).

https://www.wyff4.com/article/south-carolina-governor-to-give-update-on-covid-19-at-4-pm/31703298

Mandatory: Restaurant and bars close dine-in service starting Wednesday, March 18.
Mandatory: South Carolina tax deadline extended to June 1
McMaster requesting non-emergency surgery to be halted
McMaster requesting insurance pay for COVID-19 office visits, test, procedures.
McMaster requesting grocery stores limit purchases of some items, begin having special hours for senior citizens
McMaster requesting private employers to allow employees to work from home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 17, 2020, 10:05:00 PM
I i was part of the Shadowy Covenant, that had access to the Quantum Computer of Everything, i'd probably follow-the-model, respect it's constraints and just get rid of a few million what-the-fucks.

Just Culling ;+}

legal note : i'm a big softy and love everyone.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 17, 2020, 10:05:59 PM
>510,000 would die in Britain and 2.2 million in the US over the course of the outbreak.

Honestly seems optimistic at this point.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 17, 2020, 10:06:33 PM
SC going on lockdown. No soup for you (me).

https://www.wyff4.com/article/south-carolina-governor-to-give-update-on-covid-19-at-4-pm/31703298

Mandatory: Restaurant and bars close dine-in service starting Wednesday, March 18.
Mandatory: South Carolina tax deadline extended to June 1
McMaster requesting non-emergency surgery to be halted
McMaster requesting insurance pay for COVID-19 office visits, test, procedures.
McMaster requesting grocery stores limit purchases of some items, begin having special hours for senior citizens
McMaster requesting private employers to allow employees to work from home.

My pal pointed out today, "Great time to open a funeral directors.".
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
>rough mort rate for the past week and it's currently 3.4%

SK skewed the stats, I'm thinking.

Coronavirus Death Rate Soars to 7% in Italy – Is America Next?
https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-death-rate-soars-to-7-in-italy-is-america-next/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 17, 2020, 10:17:30 PM
Bee seeing a few of these on the backchannel;

Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus a second time
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/diamond-princess-cruise-ship-passenger-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-a-second-time/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 17, 2020, 10:36:22 PM
Bee seeing a few of these on the backchannel;

Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus a second time
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/diamond-princess-cruise-ship-passenger-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-a-second-time/

Like the worst tech problems - intermittent.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 17, 2020, 11:36:01 PM
Probably already got a weakened immune system.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 18, 2020, 12:26:49 AM
There have been at least two reinfections that I know of, one in Japan, one in China.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 18, 2020, 02:26:42 AM
Newsom: 'I don't think the schools are going to open again' (https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/17/newsom-schools-likely-to-remain-closed-through-summer-1267579)

Quote
California's schools will likely stay closed for the rest of the academic year over coronavirus concerns, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Tuesday in a jaw-dropping prediction for families barely settling into new weekday routines with children at home.

"This is a very sobering thing to say," Newsom said, as he warned that schools are unlikely to reopen in the coming weeks and will more than likely remain closed until the summer break. "I don't want to mislead you."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 18, 2020, 08:32:11 AM
Vietnam, in reality, bans everybody.

http://www.mofa.gov.vn/en/tt_baochi/pbnfn/ns200317214136

"Mass quarantine at designated facilities shall be expanded to include all entrants from the US, European and ASEAN countries."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 18, 2020, 09:16:50 AM
Mexico, a failed state, has no control at all.

"Mexico has over 50 confirmed coronavirus cases. For now it has taken a less stringent approach to the virus than some of its neighbors; its borders are still open and it's not restricting foreign visitors yet. Over the weekend, a large music festival was held in Mexico City, and soccer games still had fans in attendance."

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-mexicos-president-touching-people-013400034.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 18, 2020, 11:24:54 AM
Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments

Quote
The valve typically costs about $11,000 — the volunteers made them for about $1

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 18, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
interesting:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
3 field hospitals being deployed in Florida to help with coronavirus pandemic | FOX 35 Orlando
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/3-field-hospitals-being-deployed-in-florida-to-help-with-coronavirus-pandemic.amp
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 02:27:26 PM
Urban infrastructure problem #1; Sewers.

Coronavirus: Water firms issue blockage warning as people use toilet paper 'alternatives' | UK News | Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-water-firms-issue-blockage-warning-as-people-use-toilet-paper-alternatives-11959659
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: I, Brian on March 18, 2020, 02:55:03 PM
UK mortality rates looks more like 0.1 percent, and even then it's mainly retirees with chronic heart/lung problems who have died:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51924405

Quote
The government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance told the health select committee that a death rate of one fatality for every 1,000 cases was a "reasonable ballpark" figure, based on scientific modelling.

The government is primarily testing people who are in hospital so many people who have mild symptoms may never be diagnosed with the virus.

A huge pointer to make about the infection stats is that only the most serious cases are being recorded - the wider majority of mild cases aren't getting recorded at all.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
Calif Gov Newsom mentions the "M" word;

California preparing for worst case scenarios; martial law a possibility
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/california-preparing-for-worst-case-scenarios-martial-law-a-possibility
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 04:03:26 PM
Chart: Industries most hit by coronavirus crisis, according to Moody's - Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recession-industries-hit-chart-2020-3
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 18, 2020, 05:57:17 PM
UK schools to shut indefinitely from Friday. No exams this summer.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 18, 2020, 06:03:44 PM
Quote
UK schools to shut indefinitely from Friday. No exams this summer.

Alice Cooper :) brilliant song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oo8QzDHimQ

Well we got no choice
All the girls and boys
Makin' all that noise
'Cause they found new toys
Well we can't salute ya can't find a flag
If that don't suit ya that's a drag
School's out for summer
School's out forever
School's been blown to pieces
No more pencils no more books
No more teacher's dirty looks yeah
Well we got no class
And we got no principals
And we got no innocence
We can't even think of a word that rhymes
School's out for summer
School's out forever
My school's been blown to pieces
No more pencils no more books
No more teacher's dirty looks
Out for summer
Out till fall
We might not come back at all
School's out forever
School's out for summer
School's out with fever
School's out completely
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 18, 2020, 06:23:48 PM
I have two college kids, one in high school and one in elementary.  All are continuing school remotely.  The oldest is a bit bummed out because labs are canceled.  The other college kid is still attempting to do her elective singing classes remotely (but they are having a hard time with the conferencing app).  The high school kid is just getting assignments online and posting them through the existing HS online dashboard.  She even has P.E assignments and she was doing a bunch of calisthenics yesterday.   The youngest is in second grade and we went to pick up a giant packet of work yesterday.  We are to communicate with her teacher once a week about how things are going.

I'm personally thankful for the work load, these kids would be going batty without it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 18, 2020, 06:34:08 PM
Detailed UK case map : https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

According to the figures the mort rate is 4.1% now, i'm downloading the data to graph the mort over time, everything about this is accelerating.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 18, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
Chart: Industries most hit by coronavirus crisis, according to Moody's - Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recession-industries-hit-chart-2020-3

Imagine you were selling a home interior product that required a visit to measure.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
475 die of coronavirus in one day in Italy
https://boingboing.net/2020/03/18/475-die-of-coronavirus-in-one.html

<+>
In Italy, 22% of the population is 65 or older, compared to 17% in the U.S., raising hopes for a less disastrous health care breakdown.

New analysis of coronavirus risk: Young adults are not invincible - STAT
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-new-age-analysis-of-risk-confirms-young-adults-not-invincible/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 18, 2020, 09:29:00 PM
Lilly, Indiana State Department of Health Partner to Accelerate COVID-19 Testing Using Lilly Research Laboratories

https://investor.lilly.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lilly-indiana-state-department-health-partner-accelerate-covid

Closer to home:  Two local hospitals have set up drive thru testing.  Got to have a doctor's orders and call ahead but this is some progress.
Title: Leaked US Gov't COVID-19 Response Plan (3/13/20)
Post by: buckworks on March 18, 2020, 10:03:29 PM
As released by the NYT:

U . S. Government COVID – 19 Response Plan (3/13/20)

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6819-covid-19-response-plan/d367f758bec47cad361f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 18, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
Coronavirus surfaces in 19 elder care facilities in Florida
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/03/18/coronavirus-surfaces-in-19-elder-care-facilities-in-florida-1267712
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 18, 2020, 11:36:47 PM
I've lost 2 clients in 2 days due to CV, one sold disneyland Florida attraction tickets so that was understandable, since the parks are closed or closing, but the other sells toys and puzzles and wasn't clear exactly how it was affecting him.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 19, 2020, 01:02:30 AM
>> how it was affecting him

Maybe his products are manufactured in an affected country?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 01:29:59 AM
Yeah, most toys are made in China. Sorry GM, SEO client work is going to be tough right now.

Added: If you are till building affiliate sites there are probably some opportunities with the state of the world.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 19, 2020, 11:26:28 AM
>> how it was affecting him

Maybe his products are manufactured in an affected country?

That's a long list right now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 19, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
Australia prepares for 50,000 to 150,000 coronavirus deaths

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-prepares-for-50-000-to-150-000-coronavirus-deaths-20200316-p54amn.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
China COVID-19 study: blood type O are more resistant, type A are more susceptible to infection

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/china-covid-19-study-blood-type-o-are-more-resistant-type-a-are-more-susceptible-to-infection/ar-BB11m7SA
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
Italian CDC (Istituto Superiore di Sanità): Most common pre-existing conditions of victims were high blood pressure (76,1%), diabetes, obesity, ischemic heart disease, lung problems, immunodepression due to cancer drugs, chronic kidney disease. 68,3% of victims had MORE than 1 pre-existing condition

Morti Coronavirus, secondo l'Iss le donne decedute sono meno della metà degli uomini
https://tg24.sky.it/salute-e-benessere/2020/03/18/coronavirus-morti-donne.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 19, 2020, 01:44:18 PM
Quote
China COVID-19 study: blood type O are more resistant, type A are more susceptible to infection

Lucky Rabbit then:

A priest, a minister, and a rabbit walk in to donate blood. The rabbit says, I think I might be a type-O.


Duck....
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
This one has been trending.  I'm skeptical.

New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19 | AccuWeather
https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on March 19, 2020, 03:27:09 PM
>>If you are till building affiliate sites there are probably some opportunities with the state of the world

Some of the online meat retailers I work with have seen some of their biggest sales days outside of Christmas in the last week. With empty grocery store shelves and people not wanting to go to the store I would assume all the online food retailers and meal delivery services are seeing a good bump.

I would guess someone with a site on how to work from home, how to set up your home office, etc. could be doing well right now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: DrCool on March 19, 2020, 03:28:42 PM
>>Most common pre-existing conditions of victims were high blood pressure (76,1%), diabetes, obesity, ischemic heart disease, lung problems, immunodepression due to cancer drugs, chronic kidney disease

My mom and dad each check 3 of those boxes.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 19, 2020, 05:14:31 PM
https://video-intl.alicdn.com/Handbook%20of%20COVID-19%20Prevention%20and%20Treatment.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0xXdJg6rBIwJ21275iH4KsWr3F6c0NU2ff2bDfA89YYF0Bw_S41J1TPpU
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 05:25:53 PM
>common pre-existing conditions; high blood pressure

It's been trending for a long time now that those on blood pressure meds with ACE inhibitors seem to be hit harder by cv19.  I don't know if this is a cause or coincidental.  But there's not much you can do about it anyway.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 06:14:27 PM
Gimp, I hope Western hospitals are reading that.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 06:29:36 PM
Good site for seeing global CV19 stats with lots of charts:
https://coronawiki.org/

Still like this site for US/Canada data:
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
(lets people tunnel down to the local county level quickly and updates in real time)

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 07:12:00 PM
This governor of a big red state had been dragging his feet. 

Texas governor issues lockdown orders - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/19/texas-governor-coronavirus-lockdown-orders-137691
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
>big red state

Florida and Texas are going to be very bad.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 07:21:02 PM
>Florida and Texas are going to be very bad.

FL gov just sorta-kinda shut down the beaches.  He's really a laggard.

...And it doesn't help that the state is really one big nursing home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
<+>

>FL

Speak of the devil...

A map of smart thermometers in the US shows just how sick Americans are right now | Android Central
https://www.androidcentral.com/map-smart-thermometers-us-shows-just-how-sick-americans-are-right-now
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: grnidone on March 19, 2020, 07:54:36 PM
 On Monday, my sister went to the local grocery store to see that the parking lot was completely full, and police at the door.  The meat refrigerator was completely empty, no bread, no milk, no eggs, no pasta, no toilet paper, no water. 

My sister asked one of her friends she went to school what the deal was.  Apparently, people from larger cities are coming to small towns to buy/ hoard groceries because the shelves where they are at are empty.  They had people coming in from Junction City (2 hours away). 

Also, the local butcher sold 6,000 pounds of meat in 2 days.  (10 whole cows, if you're wondering.)

It's ridiculous.  People have absolutely lost their goddamned minds.  Fortunately, the staff at the store held stuff back, so the next day, many items were back on the shelf.  (Not toilet paper or water.)

This begs a few questions:

1.  Do people not understand that their taps will continue to work?
2.  How much toilet paper do you actually need?  It's not like the virus gives you the runs....
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 07:59:14 PM
>It's not like the virus gives you the runs....

That's actually one of the symptoms (14%).
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 08:09:37 PM
> people from larger cities are coming to small towns

SHHHhh! And people from small towns are going to rural country stores.  (I just sent a friend out in the deeeeep sticks to reconnoiter and report back.  If that one has been hit, I have another ultra-remote store in my sights. They raise and butcher their own livestock and I'm a regular custormer, but it's over an hour away.)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 19, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
Free audio books suitable for kids: https://stories.audible.com/start-listen . No credit card, no password, just download and listen. Kudos to Audible for setting this up!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 19, 2020, 08:53:44 PM
Complete your quarantine in Vietnam and you get a certificate.

https://ninhbinh.org/534-nguoi-hoan-thanh-thoi-gian-cach-ly-phong-dich-covid-19-tai-ninh-binh.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 08:55:15 PM
>get a certificate

Going to counterfeiters in 3.. 2.. 1...
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
>https://stories.audible.com/start-listen

Thanks!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2020, 09:12:32 PM
>audible

Yeah, thanks, I passed it on to my 4 daughters.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2020, 09:58:29 PM
>FL

That map is frightening.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 20, 2020, 12:18:57 AM
Trump Told Governors to Buy Own Virus Supplies, Then Outbid Them

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/trump-told-governors-to-buy-own-virus-supplies-then-outbid-them

And the cluster fu## continues.

This is why people are stocking up in a frenzy, because deep down they know they are on their own.  The cavalry ain't riding in to the rescue.  So they are doing whatever things they can think of to protect themselves and their families no matter how small or ineffectual those things might be. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 20, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Gov. Gavin Newsom says 25 million Californians are projected to get coronavirus (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php#photo-19161274)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 01:57:03 AM
I've been thinking about this for a while now.

Wheat and chessboard problem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_and_chessboard_problem
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 01:58:50 AM
Calif: Gov. Newsom issues statewide 'stay at home' order in effort to slow COVID-19
https://abc7news.com/6022634/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 20, 2020, 02:51:44 AM
About half the state was already there, but its still overdue.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 20, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
>> Wheat and chessboard

Our world is finite so anything that increased by repeated doubling would eventually run into limits.

It's gonna be bad but not 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 bad.  8)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 20, 2020, 04:26:48 AM
California lockdown.

40m people.

OK for groceries, pharmacy and gas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-issues-statewide-stay-home-order-coronavirus-fight-n1164471
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
Coronavirus appears to be more fatal in men than women | TheHill
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488507-coronavirus-appears-to-be-more-fatal-in-men-than
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 05:26:29 PM
NY state goes lockdown-ish

https://gothamist.com/news/gov-cuomo-announces-stay-home-order-new-york-state-pause
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
CDC: Simple Respiratory Mask - Volume 12, Number 6—June 2006
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/6/05-1468_article
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
Hmmmmm...

After six days, 70% of the patients who received hydroxychloroquine were considered cured, compared with only 12.5% of the control group (ajc.com)

https://www.ajc.com/news/what-hydroxychloroquine-effective-treating-coronavirus/awkTbcGymLAECtNmhyRLsO/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 05:54:05 PM
After enacting the most extreme measures in the country, New Brunswick Canada declares the first day with NO NEW CASES in a week (twitter.com)

https://twitter.com/JocelynHeenan/status/1241055742926430209
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 20, 2020, 06:36:49 PM
Quote
One thing people don’t know about is the “toilet cloud plume”. When you flush the toilet with the lid open, you spray virus over every surface in that bathroom.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-kids-risks-can-they-infect-adults
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
see chart

Why we’re not overreacting to the coronavirus pandemic, in one chart
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 08:21:03 PM
Governor Pritzker to order Illinois to “shelter in place”
https://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/local-news/report-governor-pritzker-to-order-state-to-shelter-in-place/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Nevada Gov. Sisolak orders all nonessential businesses in the state to shut down
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 09:56:01 PM
Boris Johnson has ordered pubs, cafes and restaurants to close across the UK
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 10:08:07 PM
Non-essential businesses will be shut down in N.J.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2020, 10:09:48 PM
Italy coronavirus deaths surge by 627 in a day, lifting total death toll to 4,032 - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-tally/italy-coronavirus-deaths-surge-by-627-in-a-day-lifting-total-death-toll-to-4032-idUSKBN2172VL
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 20, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
U.K.

Gov to cover 80% of employed wages.

Various other measures, like no VAT or income tax for varying amounts of time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 21, 2020, 12:52:47 AM
Yosemite National Park closed to all visitors indefinitely due to coronavirus
https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/Yosemite-National-Park-closed-coronavirus-camp-15147002.php
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 21, 2020, 01:19:27 AM
Rumors from DC of US shutdown Monday.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 21, 2020, 01:31:57 AM
Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Are Growing Faster In The United States Than Any Other Country In The World
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2020/03/20/coronavirus-is-growing-faster-in-the-united-states-than-any-other-country-in-the-world/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 21, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
Every Cyprus phone got this broadcast message last night, 75 cases so far.

"Stay home and only go out for when necessary! Please protect yourselves and the people with low immune systems!"
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 21, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
We should know MUCH MORE in 2 weeks.

When is it time for "RECOVERY" Thread?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 21, 2020, 11:16:46 AM
Quite a listen

https://youtu.be/tQD4B_hmdvo
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 21, 2020, 12:18:52 PM
We should know MUCH MORE in 2 weeks.

When is it time for "RECOVERY" Thread?

Here is two weeks time, if you are very lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9FVqwO4TM&list=WL&index=3
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 21, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
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Italy asking the world to listen and react before it's too late:

A letter from Italy,
 peace for all,
 We live in Italy - Milan,
 I'm going to share with you and explain to you, "How is life here in Milan" during these difficult days and how do I think you should learn from the mistakes and their consequences that we live here.
 We are currently in quarantine.  We don't take to the streets, the police are in constant motion and arrest anyone outside his home.
 Everything is closed!  ... business, malls, stores, all streets without movement.
 Feeling of the end of the world !!
 Italy, the country of living life, is transformed from one moment to the next as if it were a dark country of war.
 It is a fact that I never thought I would ever live!
 People are confused, sad, anxious and helpless, and often do not understand how this reality was imposed on them and when this whole nightmare will end.
 The big mistake was that at the start of the first hit people continued to lead their lives as usual and took to the streets for work, entertainment and feeling like a vacation period, so gatherings with friends and banquets abound.
 Everyone was wrong and so were you!
 I beg you, be careful, this is neither a laugh nor a joke.
 Protect your loved ones, your parents, and your grandparents!  The disease is dangerous for them.
 About 200 people die here every day, not because medicine in Milan is not good (it's one of the best in the world), but rather because there are no places for everyone!
 Doctors choose who will die!  This is only because of the silliness of the citizens at the beginning, who decided to continue their lives as usual, regardless of the new situation!
 Please, learn from the mistakes, we are a small country that could end up with a great tragedy.
 Listen well now ,,, 🙏
 Don't go out into crowded places.
 Try not to eat in public places.
  Stay longer at home during this time!
 Listen to the Ministry of Health guidelines (don't play it!).
  Talk about a meter away from each person, do not come close, do not cuddle or accept.
 Get a complementary and preventive treatment and learn from others' mistakes.
 We recommend that you take vitamin C to boost your immune system.

 Helping professionals prevent the spread of the epidemic ...

  In Italy, the entire country is isolated, meaning 60 million people in quarantine !!
 This would have been prevented if people had heard the instructions from the beginning.
 Take care of yourself and the life of the one you love ❤❤
 
 Share the message to all people Jsc
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 21, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Kirkland WA nursing home; 35 dead

The Coronavirus’s Rampage Through a Suburban Nursing Home - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/coronavirus-nursing-home-kirkland-life-care.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 21, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
Kirkland WA nursing home; 35 dead

The Coronavirus’s Rampage Through a Suburban Nursing Home - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/coronavirus-nursing-home-kirkland-life-care.html

‘The nurses kept saying, “They were not like this two hours ago.”’

Chilling.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 21, 2020, 05:17:32 PM
>chilling

Coronavirus, virologist Gismondo: «Maybe there has been a mutation, too many deaths in Lombardy»

https://www.ilmessaggero.it/salute/focus/coronavirus_virus_mutato_come_news_morti_lombardia_virologa_gismondo_contagi-5124466.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 21, 2020, 05:42:56 PM
First dog diagnosed with coronavirus dies in Hong Kong, two more dogs test positive in China

https://www.pennlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/first-dog-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-dies-in-hong-kong-two-more-dogs-test-positive-in-china.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 21, 2020, 08:07:48 PM
All the Drugs Proving Anecdotally Effective Against COVID-19, and the Companies That Make Them

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 21, 2020, 08:38:46 PM

When is it time for "RECOVERY" Thread?

It really depends on how comfortable we are with death.  I was thinking this morning that there will come a time when the majority of people have been infected and selfishly want to get on with their lives after their own recovery; meanwhile the vulnerable will still be dying.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 21, 2020, 09:59:55 PM
Italian Army trucks loaded with corpses being taken to outlying crematoriums because the local one can't keep up.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 21, 2020, 11:14:04 PM
A bit long and dry, but lots of practical advise for dealing with COVID-19 in daily living.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Ae0mjMljs
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 22, 2020, 12:37:52 AM
Is Russia running a coronavirus disinformation campaign?

https://www.dw.com/en/is-russia-running-a-coronavirus-disinformation-campaign/a-52864106
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 22, 2020, 07:17:41 AM
US Passes Spain, Iran, Germany in Total COVID-19 Cases

https://covid19news.co/us-passes-spain-iran-germany-in-covid-19-cases-today/

Confident you will be in the Gold medal slot very soon. I expect the UK to make a strong run in to the medal positions.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 22, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
Quite old News, but GOOD NEWS:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/china-positions-itself-as-a-leader-in-tackling-the-coronavirus
Quote
In the last few weeks, China has donated coronavirus testing kits to Cambodia, sent planeloads of ventilators, masks and medics to Italy and France, pledged to help the Philippines, Spain and other countries, and deployed medics to Iran and Iraq.

The Chinese president, Xi Jinping, has offered comforting words, telling the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, that “sunshine comes after the storm”, and adding that the two countries should step up cooperation and exchanges after the outbreak.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 22, 2020, 10:49:40 AM
Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy (https://www.quora.com/q/coronavirus/Characteristics-of-COVID-19-patients-dying-in-Italy)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 22, 2020, 11:20:42 AM
"...in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines."

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 22, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
A practical way to help ... Dessy's usual product is bridesmaid gowns ... pivot to isolation gowns!

https://www.gofundme.com/f/import-kn95-and-isolation-gowns-from-asia

Many people are passing around memes to thank health care workers ... here's a way to give some real, practical help.

Spread the word, and help if you can.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 22, 2020, 01:09:11 PM
'Disaster waiting to happen': visitors flock to Skegness
Seaside town busy in spite of official guidance to stay at home to curb spread of Covid-19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/disaster-waiting-to-happen-visitors-flock-to-skegness

7 degrees C there BTW. Think UK is looking strong for the Silver medal.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 22, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
>> "...in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines."

If one is an elderly Italian is there any point even going to the hospital?

Prepare to treat at home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 22, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
An Astronaut's Guide to Self Isolation - Chris Hadfield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uL5sqe5Uk8
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 22, 2020, 08:21:00 PM
DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/doj-suspend-constitutional-rights-coronavirus-970935/

Quote
“Not only would it be a violation of [habeas corpus], but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest.’ So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”

No and hell no.

Right and Left seem to be opposed. Cato Institute says no as well.

Power grabs during a crisis.  Is that all Washington can think about?
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 22, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
>No and hell no.

I'm with you!  Barr is a POS only a fascist could love.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 22, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
What could this possibly achieve for the public good that existing laws don't already cover?

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 22, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
What could this possibly achieve for the public good that existing laws don't already cover?

It's a good question.  They already have vast powers in an emergency.  I can only guess that they are afraid of a breakdown of public order on a large scale. Which is less likely to happen if our leaders are seen to be competently dealing with the emergency, and more likely if it looks like our leaders are incompetent, uncaring, greedy and corrupt bumblef**ks.  Maybe they looked in a mirror.

In any event the stupidity of this administration knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 01:11:01 AM
NC textile mill ‘heeds call of nation,’ gears up to make 10 million face masks per week
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241413386.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 23, 2020, 01:58:54 AM
That's a lot of masks. 

Hospitals in Iowa put out the call for washable face masks and provided a pattern.  Now women are making them all over the state.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 02:23:44 AM
patients around the world who have tested positive for COVID-19 are presenting only the symptoms of loss of smell and taste

Sudden Loss of Smell Could Indicate 'Hidden Carriers' of Coronavirus
https://www.sciencealert.com/mild-covid-19-might-cause-a-lost-of-smell-or-taste
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 23, 2020, 03:25:54 AM
I'm seeing more studies that show 60%+ are either asymptomatic or mildly-symptomatic COVID19 shedders. Any combination of sinus congestion, mildly sore throat, sniffle, occasional wet or dry cough, mild headache or fever, diarrhea, then better. Not anywhere near serious enough to go get checked out. Unfortunately they're still very contagious. Kids especially.

This could pose a long-term risk to more at-risk populations.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00822-x

https://twitter.com/Doc_Sands/status/1241825223130746880  (interesting mild symptom case)



Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 03:53:16 AM
>long-term risk

I'm seeing 8 months in headlines.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 23, 2020, 09:46:05 AM
I'm seeing more studies that show 60%+ are either asymptomatic or mildly-symptomatic COVID19 shedders. Any combination of sinus congestion, mildly sore throat, sniffle, occasional wet or dry cough, mild headache or fever, diarrhea, then better. Not anywhere near serious enough to go get checked out. Unfortunately they're still very contagious. Kids especially.

This could pose a long-term risk to more at-risk populations.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00822-x

https://twitter.com/Doc_Sands/status/1241825223130746880  (interesting mild symptom case)

Trav, I've had something very similar to that twitter post happen to me in the last several days, a cough & mild sore throat, headaches (but not the worse I've ever had), some post nasal drip, and one day where I felt something was off with my breathing -- like weight in my lungs.  Jen just had the headaches, a little cough and a mild sore throat.  The kids have been fine.  I really have no idea if we're now carriers of CV19, and there is no way that they'd give us a test.  We've been self-quarantined since before the mandatory "stay at home" order and we've been treating ourselves like we are potentially contagious the entire time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 23, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
LM, you have done the right thing, the only thing you could do.  If, by chance, you've had CV maybe this will provide some immunity.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 23, 2020, 12:17:28 PM
For the UK folks... CV near you:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 23, 2020, 01:33:50 PM
Quote
China COVID-19 study: blood type O are more resistant, type A are more susceptible to infection

Lucky Rabbit then:

A priest, a minister, and a rabbit walk in to donate blood. The rabbit says, I think I might be a type-O.


Duck....

LOL :)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 23, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
This did not age well:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1239551403074433025
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Coronavirus patients lie on floor at overrun Madrid hospital
https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/coronavirus-patients-spotted-lying-on-floor-at-overrun-madrid-hospital/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 08:11:35 PM
Oh, sh##!

Coronavirus Traces Lingered in Vacated Cruise Cabins for 17 Days - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/coronavirus-traces-lingered-in-vacated-cruise-cabins-for-17-days
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 23, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
>Confident you will be in the Gold medal slot very soon.

The Trump administration seems to want to ease off coronavirus prevention measures to protect the crashing economy (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-considers-relaxing-quarantine-to-boost-economy-2020-3)

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 23, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
UK goes into coronavirus lockdown, Boris Johnson announces - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/uk/uk-coronavirus-lockdown-gbr-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 23, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
What Are The Best Materials for Making DIY Masks?

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

Good article.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 23, 2020, 10:19:50 PM
DIY Cloth Face Mask

https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Cloth-Face-Mask/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 23, 2020, 11:15:17 PM
I passed that one on to my wife.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 24, 2020, 01:15:16 AM
So far, the official line has been 3 days, max.

"Human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces for up to 9 days. Surface disinfection with 0.1% sodium hypochlorite or 62–71% ethanol significantly reduces coronavirus infectivity on surfaces within 1 min exposure time. We expect a similar effect against the SARS-CoV-2."

Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and their inactivation with biocidal agents - Journal of Hospital Infection
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 24, 2020, 02:57:46 AM
Good job with the self-quarantine, littleman. Eventually you'll be able to get antibody tests, if curious.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 24, 2020, 03:28:12 AM
worth a read

Research into the first 196 patients admitted to intensive care units showed 70% were male, with an average age of 63.

70% of patients admitted to intensive care units in the UK with coronavirus were overweight or obese

UK: Obese or overweight coronavirus patients most in need of critical care
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/23/obese-overweight-coronavirus-patients-need-critical-care/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 24, 2020, 07:50:52 AM
Quote
>Confident you will be in the Gold medal slot very soon.

The Trump administration seems to want to ease off coronavirus prevention measures to protect the crashing economy

Trying to visualise a world where The USA has it and no one else does.  Travel between the 2 will be difficult. Either way its not pretty. 

Perhaps He just thinks he is invincible as he has money.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 24, 2020, 12:38:44 PM
"The U.S. Embassy in Hanoi and the U.S. Consulate General in Ho Chi Minh City advise all U.S. citizens that the Government of Vietnam has begun a massive COVID-19 testing campaign for all travelers who have arrived from outside the country since March 8, 2020. The Prime Minister has ordered provinces and cities to identify such travelers in the next 48 hours, and testing is likely to follow.

Existing Ministry of Health guidelines call for collection of nose/throat swabs for diagnosis of COVID-19. If you fall into this travel category and are asymptomatic, the U.S. Embassy advises U.S. citizens to comply with a swab test."

First good call this pandemic.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 24, 2020, 01:43:23 PM
Dr. Fauci Reports That Alcohol May Help People Survive Coronavirus Briefings

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-fauci-reports-that-alcohol-may-help-people-survive-coronavirus-briefings
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 24, 2020, 05:34:34 PM
In Cyprus and want to step out the door?

No problem just fill out this form first.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/03/24/coronvirus-the-forms-you-need-if-you-want-to-go-outside/

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 24, 2020, 05:51:03 PM
India under lockdown:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-24/indias-prime-minister-decrees-21-day-lockdown-to-curb-virus

““To save India and every Indian, there will be a total ban on venturing out of your homes,” Modi said, adding that if the country failed to manage the next 21 days, it could be set back by 21 years."

21 days vs 21 years ... someone should tell Trump that.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 24, 2020, 09:55:05 PM
US military

https://twitter.com/usarmy/status/1241185656094801923?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 24, 2020, 10:11:09 PM
>military

The US Army Corps of Engineers Deploys Against Coronavirus | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/story/us-army-corps-of-engineers-deploys-against-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 24, 2020, 10:12:46 PM
US military

https://twitter.com/usarmy/status/1241185656094801923?s=21

Seems logical to me.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 12:11:03 AM
FDA now allows treatment of life-threatening COVID-19 cases using blood from patients who have recovered

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/24/fda-now-allows-treatment-of-life-threatening-covid-19-cases-using-blood-from-patients-who-have-recovered/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 25, 2020, 07:49:31 AM
Social Distancing seems to work.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 25, 2020, 07:51:24 AM
Vietnam Forever.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
Singapore: a rapid test that can tell if a person has Covid-19 in as little as five minutes.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-scientists-on-the-front-lines-of-fight-against-covid-19
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 25, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Prince Charles tests positive:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/europe/prince-charles-coronavirus-gbr-intl/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
Coronavirus: Iceland’s mass testing finds half of carriers show no symptoms | Al Arabiya English
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 03:59:48 PM
UK coronavirus mass home testing to be made available 'within days'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 05:35:43 PM
Guesstimated to be 70% effective, but a good start.

Fifteen minute coronavirus test developed in Belgium
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/fifteen-minute-coronavirus-test-developed-belgium/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 25, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
Thousands of inmates released as jails face coronavirus threat

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Thousands-of-inmates-released-as-jails-face-15155940.php

"Amid fears that the coronavirus will carve a deadly path through prisons and jails, counties and states are releasing thousands of inmates - New Jersey alone began freeing hundreds of people this week - and the federal prison system is coming under intense pressure to take similar measures."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 25, 2020, 08:43:08 PM
Long article, but worth reading to get an overview of the current & future problems caused by the way the US is handling CV19.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ukgimp on March 25, 2020, 09:56:16 PM
Mass Iceland testing shows 50% show no symptoms

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 10:07:43 PM
Denmark: New law to ban gatherings of more than 2 in the making. Planned to be in effect from April 4th.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2020-03-25-ny-hastelov-paa-vej-regeringen-goer-klar-til-at-kunne-forbyde-forsamlinger-paa
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 25, 2020, 10:54:02 PM
New Orleans emerges as next coronavirus epicenter, threatening rest of South

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-orleans-emerges-as-next-coronavirus-epicenter-threatening-rest-of-south/ar-BB11HRXa
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 26, 2020, 02:51:43 AM
Doctors And Nurses Say More People Are Dying Of COVID-19 In The US Than We Know (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/coronavirus-update-dead-covid19-doctors-hospitals)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rumbas on March 26, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
>Denmark: New law to ban gatherings of more than 2 in the making

Yup. Mom is meaning business. We're facing a complete lock down. However people are now beginning to question the lock down in terms of economic impact. We're suffering big time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 26, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
Good breakdown of a DIY mask with a proper AB/AV barrier solution, 50g of zinc sulphate and 50g of copper sulphate yields 1 litre of the solution, enough for quite a few masks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuEBexkm2V0



Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 26, 2020, 03:31:58 PM
California coronavirus cases are doubling much faster than expected, surge likely on the way
https://m.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/California-coronavirus-cases-march-numbers-surge-15158652.php
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: gm66 on March 26, 2020, 04:01:40 PM
Journospeak - ".. doubling much faster."
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 26, 2020, 04:50:51 PM
Some good news:

James Dyson designed a new ventilator in 10 days. He's making 15,000 for the pandemic fight

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 26, 2020, 05:44:30 PM
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Quote
Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-
19 mortality and healthcare demand
Summary
The global impact of COVID-19 has been profound, and the public health threat it represents is the
most serious seen in a respiratory virus since the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic. Here we present the
results of epidemiological modelling which has informed policymaking in the UK and other countries
in recent weeks. In the absence of a COVID-19 vaccine, we assess the potential role of a number of
public health measures – so-called non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) – aimed at reducing
contact rates in the population and thereby reducing transmission of the virus. In the results presented
here, we apply a previously published microsimulation model to two countries: the UK (Great Britain
specifically) and the US. We conclude that the effectiveness of any one intervention in isolation is likely
to be limited, requiring multiple interventions to be combined to have a substantial impact on
transmission.
Two fundamental strategies are possible: (a) mitigation, which focuses on slowing but not necessarily
stopping epidemic spread – reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of
severe disease from infection, and (b) suppression, which aims to reverse epidemic growth, reducing
case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely. Each policy has major
challenges. We find that that optimal mitigation policies (combining home isolation of suspect cases,
home quarantine of those living in the same household as suspect cases, and social distancing of the
elderly and others at most risk of severe disease) might reduce peak healthcare demand by 2/3 and
deaths by half. However, the resulting mitigated epidemic would still likely result in hundreds of
thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many
times over. For countries able to achieve it, this leaves suppression as the preferred policy option.
We show that in the UK and US context, suppression will minimally require a combination of social
distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family
members. This may need to be supplemented by school and university closures, though it should be
recognised that such closures may have negative impacts on health systems due to increased
absenteeism. The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package –
or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a
vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission
will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed. We show that intermittent social distancing –
triggered by trends in disease surveillance – may allow interventions to be relaxed temporarily in
relative short time windows, but measures will need to be reintroduced if or when case numbers
rebound. Last, while experience in China and now South Korea show that suppression is possible in
the short term, it remains to be seen whether it is possible long-term, and whether the social and
economic costs of the interventions adopted thus far can be reduced


An interesting but depressing read.  Whatever scenario you prefer its clear they agree this epidemic is going to last until at least Sept and could easily extend into 2021 as I think we all believe here.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 26, 2020, 06:47:33 PM
Milestone... over half a million confirmed cases worldwide  510,108.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 26, 2020, 07:37:19 PM
Re Rupert quote above:

I think the steps most of us are taking now is really just a better mitigation -- we are flattening the curve, not really stopping the virus.  It is still worth doing and will save many lives.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 26, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
https://twitter.com/DerbysPolice/status/1243168931503882241

Even I found this Police drone footage shocking. Almost like they wanted to add TERMINATE to the graphics.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 26, 2020, 08:32:25 PM
From the twitter thread:
"Hi. Please explain (in terms of epidemiology) exactly what harm these people are doing, taking quiet exercise away from crowds, in small numbers? And if they're doing no harm, leave them alone?"

I was wondering the same thing.  They are not interacting with each other.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 26, 2020, 09:14:29 PM
Gold medal slot very soon.

Just happened. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/world/coronavirus-news.html)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 26, 2020, 09:35:21 PM

Just happened. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/world/coronavirus-news.html)

Congrats. At this rate will be over a million in 2 weeks.

 Population size going to hold the UK back from the ultimate crown, still in with a chance per head of population. Cyrus in contention, Norway the run away leaders.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Travoli on March 27, 2020, 04:12:25 AM
From Twitter (unverified):
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 27, 2020, 05:27:05 AM
It is getting very grim.

New York City EMS received more than 6,400 medical 911 calls on Wednesday, surpassing the record set on September 11, 2001 - WaPo (https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1243356519690719234)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 27, 2020, 08:51:18 AM
Quote
https://twitter.com/DerbysPolice/status/1243168931503882241

Even I found this Police drone footage shocking. Almost like they wanted to add TERMINATE to the graphics.

That is an hours drive away from me, and a spot I walk and cycle.  It is 20 mins from Sheffield, with a few million people.

Its OK while there are only a few doing it, but as we saw at the weekend, Snowdon had more visitors than ever before.  I have been up Snowdon on a busy day,  its a single track walk, and so you are rubbing shoulders all the way up and all the way down. This was last may, and it was busier last weekend:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47997270

So I think the point is that no-one or everyone should be allowed to do it. There was a problem at Cannock Chase, where people are driving to cycle round a single track. Its popular.  Some mates were complaining about the police asking people not to go.

I am lucky, we walk from the door across fields.  I would hate to be in the city right now. If this goes on for a year, I am sure that we need some organised access to the countryside... or maybe the lock down will be lifted when it starts to rain again :)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 27, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
US: Doctors At Hospitals Say COVID-19 Death Numbers Are Under-reported.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/coronavirus-update-dead-covid19-doctors-hospitals
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 27, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
Some Recovered Coronavirus Patients In Wuhan Are Testing Positive Again

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 27, 2020, 02:02:37 PM
> under-reported

Our problem remains the same: lack of test kits and the ability to process them in a timely manner.  It's been weeks now and I keep hearing about how hundreds of thousands of new test kits are going to be shipped out by the private sector, Real Soon Now, but the reports from the front line show only a very slow increase in testing.

We can't get a handle on what we're facing until we can measure it.

It's sort of the opposite of our stupid "body counts" during the Vietnam War - every dismembered body part found (ie like a hand or a finger) counted as "a body".  It gave a completely inflated and distorted report on enemy casualties, which led to more bad decisions on our part.  This is the same only in reverse.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 27, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
Could loss of taste, smell be linked to COVID-19? 2 N.J. doctors say evidence is mounting.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/could-loss-of-taste-smell-be-linked-to-covid-19-2-nj-doctors-say-evidence-is-mounting.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 27, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
Trump, Invoking Cold War Authority, Enjoins GM To Build Ventilators

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/27/822756689/trump-invoking-cold-war-authority-enjoins-gm-to-build-ventilators?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 28, 2020, 11:47:54 AM
Without widespread testing the only real measure we have for active cases is total deaths.  OK, so here is some math.  According to sources the median time from exhibiting initial symptoms to death was 14 days.  Yesterday we had a total of 1716 dead.  If we assume a real fatality rate of 1% (including those that do not show symptoms), and an average incubation period of six days (conservative) we have:

1716/0.01 = 171,600 cases in the USA ~20 days earlier, March 7.

I'm betting those numbers end up being low...

If we want to see current infection rates we'll have to calculate them from future death rates ~20 days from now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 28, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
CDC > FLU > Estimates


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 28, 2020, 02:02:03 PM
NL: 80 percent of corona patients on IC are also overweight
https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6040891/80-procent-van-coronapatienten-op-ic-kampt-ook-met-overgewicht.html?redirect=1


Most Louisiana coronavirus victims had diabetes, other pre-existing conditions, data shows

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_26b27b0c-7089-11ea-9bfd-fb10614704c4.html


The link between Diabetes and COVID-19
https://www.medtalks.in/articles/is-coronavirus-is-deadly-for-diabetic-patient
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Adam C on March 28, 2020, 03:54:48 PM
Could loss of taste, smell be linked to COVID-19? 2 N.J. doctors say evidence is mounting.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/could-loss-of-taste-smell-be-linked-to-covid-19-2-nj-doctors-say-evidence-is-mounting.html

A doctor friend of ours is pushing this message
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 28, 2020, 08:35:09 PM
South Korea is reporting recoveries exceeding active cases today

The United States and South Korea had their first reported cases on the same day.

Here is a sort of hard to read Google translated page with the news.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=https://news.v.daum.net/v/20200328121637677&prev=search
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 28, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
A very good site for national and state by state requirements and death projections in the United States; all data assumes continued strong social distancing.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 29, 2020, 07:28:24 AM
China not doing itself any favours

Coronavirus test kits withdrawn in Spain over poor accuracy rate

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/coronavirus-test-kits-withdrawn-spain-poor-accuracy-rate

Added

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese mouth masks have been recalled from Dutch hospitals

"...masks are said to be of unfortunate quality. Not of FFP2 quality nor of the lesser level of safety FFP1. "Some sort of FFP0.8 at best," said this source.""

https://nos.nl/artikel/2328673-honderdduizenden-chinese-mondmaskers-teruggeroepen-uit-nederlandse-ziekenhuizen.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 29, 2020, 02:22:35 PM
Dr. David Price of Weill Cornell Medical Center in New York City shares information in a Mar. 22 Zoom call with family and friends on empowering and protecting families during the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://vimeo.com/399733860

A must watch!
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 29, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
One of Vietnam's largest hospitals locked down amid virus fears
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/03/29/one-of-vietnam039s-largest-hospitals-locked-down-amid-virus-fears
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 29, 2020, 06:04:33 PM
One of Vietnam's largest hospitals locked down amid virus fears
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/03/29/one-of-vietnam039s-largest-hospitals-locked-down-amid-virus-fears

They don't play.

Attached, very rough translation: "Today running around, next year in the ground".
It is far more poetic than that though.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 29, 2020, 07:49:10 PM
VIRGINIA PASTOR DIES FROM CORONAVIRUS AFTER PREVIOUSLY SAYING 'MEDIA IS PUMPING OUT FEAR' ABOUT PANDEMIC

https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-pastor-dies-coronavirus-after-previously-saying-media-pumping-out-fear-about-pandemic-1494702
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 29, 2020, 08:10:01 PM
VIRGINIA PASTOR DIES FROM CORONAVIRUS AFTER PREVIOUSLY SAYING 'MEDIA IS PUMPING OUT FEAR' ABOUT PANDEMIC

https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-pastor-dies-coronavirus-after-previously-saying-media-pumping-out-fear-about-pandemic-1494702

Not believing in science is a good way to die right now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 29, 2020, 08:16:38 PM

1716/0.01 = 171,600 cases in the USA ~20 days earlier, March 7.


Yesterday's total: 2204

2204/0.01 = 220,400 cases in the USA ~20 days earlier, March 8.

That's a growth of ~78% in a day.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 29, 2020, 11:00:03 PM
FDA gives only limited OK to Battelle’s mask-sterilizing technology

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200329/coronavirus-fda-gives-only-limited-ok-to-battellersquos-mask-sterilizing-technology

Quote
The Battelle process uses “vapor phase hydrogen peroxide” to sanitize the N95 masks, allowing them to be reused up to 20 times, the company said in a statement.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 29, 2020, 11:17:25 PM
In case you forgot to reorder vapor phase hydrogen peroxide;

Bake them in an oven at 160f for 1/2 hour

-or-

UV light (remember to flip them for exposure)

-or-

Ozone generator
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 30, 2020, 02:20:12 AM
Houston hospital first in US to try coronavirus blood transfusion therapyHouston hospital first in US to try coronavirus blood transfusion therapy

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/houston-hospital-first-in-us-to-try-coronavirus-blood-transfusion-therapy/articleshow/74872404.cms

=======

Farmers warn over food supply with harvest workers shut out

https://www.ft.com/content/e27a9395-db47-4e7b-b054-3ec6ba4cbba3

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: buckworks on March 30, 2020, 06:21:12 AM
From the Church of England .... reflection for people who cannot attend a funeral.

https://www.churchofengland.org/more/media-centre/news/new-reflection-issued-people-who-cannot-attend-funeral
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: nffc on March 30, 2020, 10:48:44 AM
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an emergency use authorization for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat patients hospitalized with Covid-19.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2328804-veel-patienten-op-ic-met-overgewicht-maar-ga-nu-niet-te-streng-dieten.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 30, 2020, 11:39:54 AM
China Covering Up Full Extent Of Virus, Could Be 40 Times Worse Than Reported

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/british-scientific-advisors-china-covering-full-extent-virus-could-be-40-times-worse
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 30, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
>40 Times Worse Than Reported

Debbie says that's too low.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 30, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Vietnam PM asks major cities to prepare for lockdown to stop virus - CNA
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid19-vietnam-prepare-lockdown-12589496
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Brad on March 30, 2020, 01:36:55 PM
German Ventilator Manufacturer "Absolutely Mission Impossible"

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-ventilator-manufacturer-absolutely-mission-impossible-a-549d1e18-8c21-45f1-846f-cf5ca254b008
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 30, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
The government will gradually reopen Denmark after Easter - if the figures allow
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/regeringen-vil-gradvist-genaabne-danmark-efter-paaske-hvis-tallene-tillader-det


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Austria to make basic face masks compulsory in supermarkets
- Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria/austria-to-make-basic-face-masks-compulsory-in-supermarkets-idUSKBN21H16A
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 30, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
More documentation on obesity being a factor in fatalities.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://nos.nl/l/2328804&prev=search

The article urges against crash dieting to reduce risk as it may weaken the immune system.

Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on March 30, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52087002

Coronavirus: Mercedes F1 to make breathing aid

A breathing aid that can help keep coronavirus patients out of intensive care has been created in under a week.

They can make 1000 per day they think once approved.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 31, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
Long article outlining the science of why (even homemade) masks work at slowing down the virus.

https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 31, 2020, 01:17:07 AM
Vietnam to declare Covid-19 a national epidemic - VnExpress International
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-to-declare-covid-19-a-national-epidemic-4077165.html


Rice prices hit 6-year high as Thailand and Vietnam face drought
- Nikkei Asian Review
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/Rice-prices-hit-6-year-high-as-Thailand-and-Vietnam-face-drought
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on March 31, 2020, 02:59:51 AM
Compare your community's social distancing activity to its activity prior to COVID-19 (https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard)
(USA only)
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Mackin USA on March 31, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
Sweden MFs

https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-swedens-radically-different-approach-to-the-coronavirus-11585598175
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 31, 2020, 02:39:35 PM
China zeroes in on coronavirus patients with no symptoms as new infections rise - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-toll/china-zeroes-in-on-coronavirus-patients-with-no-symptoms-as-new-infections-rise-idUSKBN21I036
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on March 31, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
We have mention of this upstream from CN study.  Now MIT.

Coronavirus could travel 27 feet, stay in air for hours: MIT researcher
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-could-travel-27-feet-stay-in-air-for-hours-mit-researcher/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: rcjordan on April 01, 2020, 01:38:21 AM
"Abbott’s ID NOW device, which is about the size of the toaster, and is currently used by many sites to quickly test for flu"

Abbot Says It Has a Five-Minute Coronavirus Test Ready
https://time.com/5812664/5-minute-coronavirus-test/
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on April 01, 2020, 01:47:13 AM
University of Washington modeling predicts Covid-19

 - US expected to peak on April 15 with 2200 deaths/day at the peak
 - California expected to peak on April 26 with 100 deaths/day at the peak
 - North Dakota expected to peak on May 1

https://www.kcra.com/article/researchers-predict-california-peak-covid-19-cases/31984677

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: littleman on April 01, 2020, 02:32:50 AM
Yeah, I was looking at that data yesterday, the thing that stands out is the range.  Even with the "assumed continuation of strong social distancing" its quite big.  That's quite an assumption, I'm not convinced we'll do the smart thing.
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: ergophobe on April 01, 2020, 02:44:57 AM
I'm not convinced we'll do the smart thing.

I sent a quarantine-entertainment book to the young daughter of a friend and today got the cutest thank you note. She said all the usual thank yous and then, "Daddy says, 'For the first time in history, you can save humanity by sitting on your couch and watching TV, surfing the internet and playing video games. For God's sake, don't screw this up people.'"
Title: Re: Corona Virus - Save Yourselves
Post by: Rupert on April 01, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
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'For the first time in history, you can save humanity by sitting on your couch and watching TV, surfing the internet and playing video games. For God's sake, don't screw this up people.'

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