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Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« on: January 11, 2017, 03:32:50 AM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/diet-red-meat-health-impact-consequences-a7518146.html

Well, not everybody, I guess. I was diagnosed with IBS (which stands for 'Yes, your stomach hurts all the time but we don't know why.') 30 years ago.  They give you a sheet of paper listing a bland, meat-avoiding diet. I tossed it.  15 years later, when I went on my first low-carb diet, the pain went away about 3 days after starting.  It stays away the whole time I'm on the diet. If I regress and go back to my old ways, the pain comes back.  Go back on the diet, goes away.  I searched on the phenom once and came up with others saying the same in low-carb forums. 

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 05:46:16 AM »
Check out FODMAPs (certain short-chain carbohydrates).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP

There is debate over whether "non-celiac gluten intolerance" actually exists. FODMAPS is theorized to be the real cause.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 06:13:27 AM »
Good link, thanks.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 10:43:28 AM »
>FODMAP

Until this link, I'd never heard of it.  Good one, Trav.

>short-chain carbohydrates, including lactose, fructose

Ding! Ding! Ding!  We have a winner!  Note my recent posts about fruit --I can't do fruit too much.  The noticeable exceptions are the few fruits that are lower in carbs; strawberries, blueberries, and maybe a few others.  I am not lactose-intolerant -I can eat cheese by the pound- but sugary lactose (ice cream) is almost a surefire way to set off the pain.  I'd also noticed a correlation with some artificial sweeteners but didn't take time to explore which ones caused the problem, I just avoid them in general.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2017, 05:54:22 PM »
On the topic of inflammation...
The omega 3 omega 6 fatty acid balance could also cause inflammation.  Unfortunately, most meat in the US is fed soy and corn, which is very high in omega 6.   It isn't that omega 6 is bad, but most Americans have way too much of it and not enough omega 3.  I avoid polyunsaturated fat (vegetable oils), and use grass fed butter and eat fatty fish at least once a week to try to keep in in balance.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 07:55:37 PM »
>Note my recent posts about fruit --I can't do fruit too much.

I've noticed that I MUST do fruit on an empty stomach and I cannot combine it with other foods.  (Except berries I can mix and it doesn't bother me.)  And I can't usually mix different fruits.  I've found that if I follow the "food combining rules," I generally feel better.  Especially with fruit.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/27/food-combining.aspx

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2019, 02:57:38 PM »
<time warp>

>Fodmaps

First US medical mention of Fodmaps I've run across.

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He also notes that symptoms may actually be related to FODMAPs—an increasingly popular acronym for a group of carbohydrates that some believe are actually the cause of the symptoms that many people attribute to gluten (or to dairy or soy, et cetera, or simply chalk them up to “irritable bowel syndrome”).

Science Has Begun Taking Gluten Seriously - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/05/gluten-research/526335/

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 06:13:09 AM »
Low carbs have definitely decreased my stomach issues. I ate some crackers and chips and the need for antacids returned after a long time not needing them.

Bananas trigger the pain. Ice cream can trigger it.  High carb beer can trigger it.

I have never liked carbs so eating things without bread and other carbs is fine.


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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 11:58:14 PM »
"There are currently at least 10 randomised controlled trials or randomised comparative trials showing the low FODMAP diet leads to clinical response in 50%–80% of patients with IBS, in particular with improvements in bloating, flatulence, diarrhoea and global symptoms."

The low FODMAP diet: recent advances in understanding its mechanisms and efficacy in IBS | Gut
https://gut.bmj.com/content/66/8/1517#

I saw mention of an app in the medical journals

Low FODMAP Diet App | Monash Univ.
https://www.monashfodmap.com/ibs-central/i-have-ibs/get-the-app/

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2019, 02:31:17 PM »
I've been using this list this week:
https://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/

Cut a few things out, will add a few things in. Been wheat & dairy free for a couple of years, vegetarian for decades, but still get flare-ups with colitis. Especially whenever I quit smoking - such as last month.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2019, 03:10:11 PM »
I have a 14-yr old granddaughter that is having severe problems with IBS.  Crohn's and celiac have been tested and ruled out.  I highly suspect fodmaps as this old thread came to mind. Fodmaps are only beginning to come on the radar here in the US.

I've forwarded that food list. Thanks.

>Cut a few things out, will add a few things in.

No one want to believe that (A) doctors don't know the cause, (B) have a ready, quick and easy cure, and (C) they're going to have to grind this out over the long term with trial and error.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 08:54:37 PM »
RC,

Your granddaughter might benefit from a daily probiotic pill, also.  Bacteria face constant competition in the gut. You can send 100 billion reinforcements every day.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 10:30:54 PM »
>probiotic

I'm pretty sure they started with that a couple of months ago, but I'll remind them.

FWIW, what I've seen in my medical feeds indicates that probiotics don't accomplish much in altering the biome. I suspect people take too little or it lacks strength versus what's in the gut. That said, even a marginal benefit is worthwhile when you're dealing with IBS  I made my own yogurt for a year or more and it definitely helped --and it tasted good, too.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2019, 10:59:15 PM »
Also important to take a probiotic anytime you take antibiotics. Repopulate with the good bacteria so the bad don't take over.

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Re: Diet high in red meat linked to inflammatory bowel condition
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2019, 11:03:20 AM »
This my be an Appropriate thread to announce that Ruth Ann is now the Marketing Manager for LowCarbUSA.org

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