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Dogboy -- A few Questions about DogSledding...
« on: January 17, 2012, 09:31:36 PM »
I was reading this article:  

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/01/sled-dogs/finkel-text

1.  If you look at the picture, it appears the dogs are just attached to the rope by a "wrap around" of the leash on their collar..is that how it is done?

2.  In the article, it says sled dogs cannot be adopted because they are too wild, and when they are "done with service" they must be shot...is this true for all sled dogs?

3.  Why are the dogs not wearing little shoes?  I thought they had little shoes to keep out the ice.

4.  How much dogfood would it take for sled dogs on a journey like that?  

I'll think of more in a bit...

just did..

In this picture:  http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/01/sled-dogs/hoffmann-photography#/03-jesper-and-rasmus-670.jpg

you'll see that each person has a rope in their hand...what is that for?




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Re: Dogboy -- A few Questions about DogSledding...
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 02:41:24 AM »
Lines - there are a few ways to teather dogs to sled. If you are in the most northern wide open expanses, where there are no trees, and you are using dogs to haul supplies, expedition style, then the native way would be to tie each dog individually by the back of the harness to the sled, forming what's called a fan hitch. It allows all the dogs to choose their own path.  This only works in barren hard country, or over ice fields, where a standard hitch would cause the dogs trouble.

What you see in the photo is a standard hitch. One gangline runs through the team, the dogs are in pairs and each dog has a line (which he pulls) called a tug line, which is longer than the dogs neckline (which he doesn't pull) which simply keeps him moving forward, in the same direction of the others. The width of the two dogs is the width of the sled, which is key on trails through the woods. This is what you see in that pic. Look closer and you'll see each dog is connect to the mainline by 2 lines.

Food - I can't really say how much because I don't know their strategy, how they resupply, etc. If the dogs are sleeping on a picket line, without a house, they'll go through a lot more food and they will need higher fat content. In the extreme north it's common to feed salmon, moose, seal, carabou, etc. and then snack with fat treats based on caloric needs.

Retirement - this is obviously something that is pretty touchy.  Dogs come and go but 'the team' remains... and the strength of the team is limited by the weakest dogs and at some point they need to move on.  In racing, races are won by leaving dogs at home that cant make it. culling happens very early, and the dogs that make it to racing retirement age can still run on a touring or recreational team until they die on the chain at a ripe old age. It's not uncommon to see 10 and 11 year old still working. As far as turning them into pets, it depends on the dog. With some patience and understanding, an old dog can become a couch dog. But a 3 year old will usually just destroy your house.

I always had great dogs which were in demand and didn't keep any beyond 7, so depending on the dog, I'd try to find them a place they could be happy and fit in. On occasion, in the case of sick or dangerous dogs sometimes this wasn't possible. To be honest, it's the ruthless culling of young dogs over countless generations who don't work out that made sled dogs the genetic marvels that they are today. But that is another issue. I think the issue they have is that they probably have no one that wants them. Remember, where there is one sled dog, there is more than one.  Where I lived in Alaska, there were 600-900 in a half mile radius of my cabin, depending on the time of the year.

« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 03:03:52 AM by dogboy »

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Re: Dogboy -- A few Questions about DogSledding...
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 02:56:14 AM »
Booties - you put these on dogs with hurt feet or you are worried that by not booting up you will hurt the dogs feet. Ideally, you don't want them. The reality is foot care is paramount and caring for feet is something I'd spend literally hours a day on, daily. The more husky that is in them, the tougher their feet (thanks again to generations of good breeding/culling) but as you get more into racing, the more other dog breeds come into play, and these dogs don't have as good of feet, and so can't go long distance (bad feet/no coat) but they can run like hell. The guy in there is going 5mph, but in sprint racing we average over 20. Mid distance is more like 10-15 up and down mountains.

The ropes they are holding onto - this is more of a Norwegian thing.  They ski off the back of the sledge (or pulk) to help the dogs out.  These things don't really resemble the standard sleds normal mushers use.

I think we had another thread in here on sledding.  I added pictures that might help you visualize it.  
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 02:59:03 AM by dogboy »


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Re: Dogboy -- A few Questions about DogSledding...
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 06:15:00 PM »
I just watched your Today show where the gal made the comment that dog sledding 'wasn't treating a dog humanely.'

I have to say you handled that very well.  I guess she's never heard the phrase "Work like a dog."

Last summer, the dogs from across the road came over to say hello.  They were 2 border collies used for herding cattle (the guy across the way has a ranch).  And there were cows in an adjacent pasture (not his, another neighbors) and I remember those dogs staring at me, *absolutely shaking* just begging me for "the word" to herd those cows.  (They were horned herefords with new babies, so I said no...and I kinda felt bad doing so.)

Most people don't understand that dogs are desperate to work.

I just didn't know that most sled dogs are "as close to wolf as they are to dogs."  That surprised me.  Are they actually hybrids?

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Re: Dogboy -- A few Questions about DogSledding...
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 09:28:28 PM »
>"as close to wolf as they are to dogs."  That surprised me.  Are they actually hybrids?

whoa, I must have missed that! Nooooo. That is a false statement.  The only way I could possibly understand that position is if they were talking about the 'pack mentality'... in which case, yeah, from what little I know about wolves they tend to be identical in that regard.  When you get a bunch of 'wild dogs' together, treat them as a unit, train them as a unit, they become a TEAM.... not just a bunch of individuals.  And by working together, they accomplish what none of them could alone. It's really an incredible feeling.  Unfortunately, most people will never understand that feeling even if they ride on a team (unless its a world class dog team, then its mind blowing freight train) because you really have to understand what you are supposed to be doing and what each dog is supposed to be doing, etc.  I'm not saying a random passenger wont love it and it be ecstatic (as you know I used to take 100s of people for rides to pay some of the bills) but when you have raised your team from the size of hampsters, and you bred their parents, and their parent's parents, and weeded out the ones that couldn't cut it, you end up with something of incredible value that really only the owner could ever appreciate.  Its humbling.

But your team knows this too.  Dogs are extremely sensitive and they live to make their owners happy.  They understand the team mentality.  In fact it's really the only thing they DO know. Remember the world is a very small place to them.  They live outside society.  They rarely interact with people.  In fact, socializing them before they ever get to a starting line is a real issue.  They live in perfect isolation their whole lives then you show up to a race with 500 other dogs and thousands of people, packed shoulder to shoulder surrounding them.  Then they make it to the starting line in an absolute frothing frenzy and 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 blast off... it's better than the Ducati.  You are totally out of control.... no reins, no bit's in their moths to force them to do anything, you are at the mercy of your leaders, careening down main street which has been covered with snow, with absolutely no way to stop, 16 dogs strong.  It's pure cocaine.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 09:33:35 PM by dogboy »