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« on: October 21, 2017, 03:37:47 PM »

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41704949

https://www.facebook.com/RobertScoble/posts/10155785962004655
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 07:23:53 PM »

This is going to be huge for you.

We had Jimmy Saville and operation Yew Tree.

In some cases politicians getting knighted despite being known peadophles etc etc

About time things changed.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 07:12:16 AM »

>"I have made many steps in my life to try to improve, including getting sober more than two years ago,” he wrote.

Well, not last year in Vegas..
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 08:46:34 AM »

At least he is not wearing Google Glassed whilst naked.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 01:22:06 AM »

Jeez, it's getting to be a CEO bloodbath over here.

Scoble Resigns From His Consulting Company

https://www.buzzfeed.com/doree/robert-scoble-resigns-from-his-consulting-company-in-the
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 11:23:25 AM »

It’s beginning to look like there’s a “Weinstein effect”

Beginning?!!?

https://www.fastcompany.com/40485650/its-beginning-to-look-like-theres-a-weinstein-effect
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 06:55:15 PM »

It's even hitting b-list and under people. A gaming forum I frequent went offline a few days and has been in the news over the owner getting a metoo.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »

Going international:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41794625

Seriously, you just can't call your assistant 'sugar t##s' anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 03:32:02 PM »

Wow, I thought you were exaggerating/joking. It's almost funny.

Our county sheriff is now on the chopping block as well.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 05:41:18 PM »

And interestingly, a certain person who said that if your a star you can just grab p###y anytime you want does not seem to have had any career repercussions.

Why? If powerful, big-money people *need* you, there is insulation to be bought. Insulation is not protection, as O'Reilly found out... but they were willing to pony up $23m for his contract and over $32m to keep it quiet.

With Trump, he had one singular virtue that convinced almost the entire Republican establishment to keep quiet about his sexual harassment and assault- he was not Hilary Clinton. If Trump had lost, though, you can bet the entire Republican establishment would have descended on him with holier-than-thou statements about how his history of sexual assault hurt him among women and cost the party the presidency. He was just one Jim Comey letter away from that fate.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 05:48:38 PM »

I think that a lot of this in the US is an outcropping along the same vein as the Pussyhat movement a few months ago.  
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 01:38:07 PM »

Oh man, reddit is not going to like this one.

George Takei Accused of Sexually Assaulting Former Model in 1981

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698

>Our county sheriff is now on the chopping block as well.

From the headlines going by, our statehouses across the country are not going to have many men left.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 07:42:36 PM »

All of this reminds me of one of the most useful concepts in history/sociology of social mores.

Norbert Elias was a German Jewish sociologist writing in the 1930s (which is why his work didn't get a lot of attention until republication in the 1960s) who did a survey of manner books from the Middles Ages on.

He had a concept of the "threshold of shame." Essentially, we talk about things that are in the threshold, but not on either side.

There are many examples, but take the example of spitting on the floor at dinner. This is something that is never mentioned in medieval manner books. It starts to get mentioned in the late Middle Ages and is commonly discussed in the Early Modern period with famous intellectuals weighing in. Then it disappears from manner books. Of course, what is happening is that in the early period, it isn't discussed because it is universally accepted. In the later period it isn't discussed because probably none of us have had the experience of inviting a dinner guest to our house who regularly spat on the floor throughout dinner.

But in the transitional period, it gets discussed a lot. And keep in mind, we're talking about long time scales here. With the spitting example, the transitional period is a couple of centuries.

And of course, it works the other way. Until recently we didn't really have discussions regarding the morality of gay marriage. It was simply unthinkable. Most of Christian Europe applied the death penalty to gay sex without reflection or remorse. It wasn't necessary, in fact not even possible, to have a discussion of letting "those people" actually marry. It was outside the conceptual realm for the average European, including homosexuals, 100 years ago.

So when I see these watershed moments when the dam breaks loose and a behavior that was tolerated (to greater and lesser degrees) for centuries suddenly becomes completely unacceptable, we are fully in the middle of the threshold of shame. And by that I mean that the moralists have rendered judgement, but behavior has not caught up.

The strange thing with this one is that most of the behaviors in question would have been seriously punished in 16th century Geneva (uh... I spent about 20 years full-time studying, for lack of a better term, a "morals" court in Geneva for the period 1541 to 1564). The reason, of course, was the control of extramarital sexuality rather than aggression against women.

We crossed the extramarital sex threshold first and are only now crossing the aggression against women threshold and in the intervening long period, women were at greater risk than they were earlier and later.

So we have a situation where men acted in an era when their behavior was clearly deemed wrong, but was permitted because moral prescription did not match moral enforcement and quite often the blame was assigned to the women. But as we pass through the threshold and we leave behind blaming the victim, and looking the other way, and saying "it's locker room talk" on the far side of the threshold, we end up in this moment we're in.

And sadly, because most of my life has been spent on the other side of the threshold, I had no clue that this was so prevalent (as is always the case before the threshold of shame is entered). So many articles are taunting people who are shocked to find out how common this is, but in all honesty, I'm shocked.

As a teaching assistant, we had to go through sexual harassment training and it seemed so ridiculous. I remember everyone laughing when the video showed a "more marginal case" of harassment since everyone in the room thought it was absurdly blatant. I think everyone in the room thought the video makers were just really bad and portraying subtlety. I think back on it now and realize that the "subtle" cases were probably happening daily on our large campus.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2017, 10:33:00 PM »

US Congress has a secret sexual harassment slush fund.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/10/taxpayer-piggy-bank-lets-congress-settle-sexual-harassment-cases-in-secret.html
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2017, 11:50:17 PM »

>"threshold of shame."

Damn fine post there and makes intuitive sense with the way all this is unfolding.

I suspect the timing is very Trump related -- like his making those comments and getting elected anyway was a trip-wire that caused this explosion.

RC, there is so much infuriating in that article.
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