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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 12:35:49 AM »

>there is so much infuriating in that article.

And note who ran it --Fox!!
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 12:52:27 AM »

I suspect the timing is very Trump related

I think so too, but not exclusively. I looked up the dates. It was May 25 when the judge ruled that Bill Cosby would stand trial. It wasn't until October that the Access Hollywood tapes came out.

Trump is part of it, but I think there's a "cultural moment" happening and I think it would have happened with or without Trump, but the timing might have changed by a bit.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 12:59:14 AM »

>Cosby

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Why is this happening now? The geyser of womenís stories ó and to a lesser extent, menís ó of celebrity assault began when the Bill Cosby case cracked the wall of silence and then Harvey Weinstein gave it another tap, the edifice topped and the torrent of pain and outrage roared through.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/sexual-harassment-assault-politicans-celebrities-organized-religion-women/

I also tend to agree with the premise of the article.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 03:53:10 PM »

France could introduce a law to rule that anyone aged under 13 is automatically considered unable to consent to sex after a 28-year-old man was acquitted of raping an 11-year-old because the relations were deemed consensual.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171113/france-could-set-legal-age-of-sexual-consent-at-13-after-man-acquitted-of-raping-11-year-old
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 04:37:34 PM »

SNL is on the case....

SNLís most relevant new character: a fed-up HR rep fielding constant sexual harassment

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https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/12/16639152/snl-sexual-harassment-claire-from-hr-cecily-strong
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2017, 10:26:30 PM »

It's all theatrics until they agree to quit secretly funding it.

Congress just made sexual harassment prevention training mandatory for all lawmakers and their staff

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/10/16633322/congress-mandatory-sexual-harassment-training


>US Congress has a secret sexual harassment slush fund.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/10/taxpayer-piggy-bank-lets-congress-settle-sexual-harassment-cases-in-secret.html
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2017, 02:44:54 AM »

Regarding the "threshold of shame" idea, this article from today is essential reading.

Interview with the women who wrote the 1989 expose on James Toback sexual predation that went nowhere until now
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There was no mechanism at the time for really dealing with male harassment. It was very common. It was not something that would have jumped out as utterly inappropriate. Because it was so ubiquitous. It was just something that women dealt with all time. You know, it didn't raise eyebrows.
https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/11/14/16634660/james-toback-sexual-harassment-weinstein-effect

And the linked post mentioned in the interview to James Gunn's Facebook post where he said he had been warning people about Toback for years

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A few people on here, Twitter, and other sites are saying, "James, why didn't you say anything if you knew this was happening?"

A) Like I said above, I did say something, many times, to many people, all over the world.

B) More importantly, I have publicly written Facebook posts about Toback and what he was doing, as well as mentioning him on my web site and on MySpace. I don't know why suddenly people are just assuming I didn't just because I don't mention it here.

So despite numerous people publicly outing Toback going back almost 30 years, he remained completely untouched by the allegations until right now because "it didn't raise eyebrows."

That's basically the definition of a threshold of shame phenomenon
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2017, 03:30:47 PM »

Sen. Al Franken, put your head between your knees and kiss your a## goodbye.

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

TL;DR - Scroll down to the pix.
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2017, 05:35:21 PM »

>>Scroll down to the pix

Hard to deny that one.

I suspect soon there will be some celebrity/politician who will get out ahead of the game and admit a past indiscretion before being called out. I think the reaction will be more positive that they were willing to admit their mistakes and be forthcoming about it. If that announcement is tied to a big donation to a women's charity of some sort all the better. It won't change that they screwed up but the public perception will be better. I think.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2017, 05:36:04 PM »

Now top story on G News.  I scooped 'em by a couple of hours.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2017, 05:55:14 PM »

He's apologized and is using the very shop-worn Reagan Defense.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/al-franken-apologizes-radio-anchor-forcibly-kissed-lewd/story?id=51196065
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2017, 06:11:53 PM »

The video where Tweeden talks about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTvGjSW7v0
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2017, 06:14:29 PM »

If Moore goes the GOP will see to it that Franken goes along with him.
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2017, 06:27:07 PM »

I suspect soon there will be some celebrity/politician who will get out ahead of the game and admit a past indiscretion before being called out.

I think most of them look at their past behavior and see normal, healthy, legal activity and are shocked, truly SHOCKED but the allegations against them.

I've been thinking that my life as a somewhat shy nerd (despite, perhaps, my online persona) with no power has been a great protection for me against wrongdoing, regardless of my morality or lack thereof.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2017, 06:44:27 PM »

>SHOCKED

And others who are wondering if they've done anything that is going to come back at them.
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