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Re: “Fourth Industrial Revolution”
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
>tremendous burden on the poor of the developing world.

That reminds me of a quote from a poor man (Afica, IIRC) back when HIV was starting to get international recognition. It went, roughly:

"All we have is sex, and now you're taking that away from us."

I don't think I'm going to pin my hopes for humanity on abstinence in the developing world.

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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2019, 09:07:22 PM »
less consumers
less per person  consumption

Okay, so now this helps me articulate a bit better what was getting me tripped up. There is no doubt that in terms of raw resources - minerals and so forth - consumption has to fall. Resources are not infinite.

I think I could rephrase my question like this: is it necessary that consumption involves non-renewable resources.

In other words, from an economist's point of view, if there is suddenly a four trillion dollar market in filling glass bottles with tap water and delivering them to homes that is "growth." If the delivery and pickup is done by self-driving vehicles, then there's also a rise in productivity. And if the vehicles are made with bioplastics and minerals harvested from landfills, then it could even be sustainable. And the activity of harvesting from landfills (or cleaning the ocean and funding that by selling the "pollution" - mercury, gold, etc that we've poured into the ocean), that also results in growth and productivity gains.

And as I write that, it occurs to me that I could state my question even more simply: is it possible to separate the economy from non-renewable resources?

The historian in me that takes the long view tells me it is possible, but it will only happen after catastrophe and collapse make it clear there is no other option.

But I can't believe that 100% because if I do, I will be paralyzed from trying to nudge things the other way, however pitiful my own commitment to that is.

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2019, 09:08:39 PM »
>abstinence

No body said anything about that.

https://onlinedoctor.superdrug.com/birth-control-around-the-world/

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Between 1994 and today, contraceptive use in the world overall grew by 8.3%. Every continent saw an increase in birth control use, save for two – North America and Oceania. Africa saw the most dramatic surge: from a 21.4% usage rate in 1994 to a 33.4% rate now, which is a 56.1% increase.

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Re: “Fourth Industrial Revolution”
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2019, 09:12:44 PM »
> a 33.4% rate

Umm, that's still 66% going without. Not so good.

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Re: “Fourth Industrial Revolution”
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2019, 09:27:41 PM »
>is it possible to separate the economy from non-renewable resources?

I would say yes.  Will we get there in the next 100 years?  Probably not, but maybe.

>Not so good.

Yet, birth rates are falling faster in Africa than in North America, and the trend in Africa is accelerating.  The birth rates in Brazil are less than in the US.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2019, 06:45:02 AM by littleman »

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Re: “Fourth Industrial Revolution”
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 09:48:02 PM »
Have four or more babies in Hungary and you'll pay no income tax for life

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 03:56:55 AM »
I remember reading that Singapore was doing something along these lines.  I went to look it up and came across a Wikipedia article about  Baby Bonus programs around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_bonus
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 04:04:47 AM by littleman »

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 03:18:47 PM »
Hungary’s Orban wants to reverse his country’s shrinking population through tax breaks. That’s much easier said than done. - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/02/12/hungarys-orban-wants-reverse-his-countrys-shrinking-population-through-tax-breaks-thats-much-easier-said-than-done/


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Re: “Fourth Industrial Revolution”
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 04:49:38 PM »
>>This startup is raising $750 million to outmaneuver Domino's and Pizza Hut with pizzas made by robots

I could see them competing with Domino's and Pizza Hut. But until they can figure out a way to properly stretch the dough and not press it out they won't be able to compete with "real" pizza places. There are definitely structural differences in the dough with those two different methods. But if they can get me my pizza 10 minutes quicker and that cuts down on the times the kids ask "when is the pizza getting here?" I am all for it.