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gm66

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fr## sp##ch ?
« on: August 01, 2020, 01:03:31 AM »
This morning on channel 5 with Jeremy Vine, a guy called in saying he didn't want to wear a mask when he went to the shops, which is obviously counter-culture right now.

I wear a mask when i go to the shops, but just to please others, the stats don't bear out the fear.

What i didn't like was the treatment of the man that called in.

He's a capitalist civilian just like the rest of us, yet he got called an idiot by the entire 'news' team, he was doggedly bullied, he wasn't even allowed to have his opinion.

One of the presenters compared his desire to go shopping without a mask to people going driving without wearing a seat belt, which reminded me of many moronic analogies. Analogies are rarely useful or data-comparative and mostly emotional.

What we have here is a situation where no-one knows what the frack is going on, therefore every response is a fail - it's either too much or too little, too soon or too late.

The numbers tell use that we all have more chance of winning the lottery than 'catching' the germ.

I think it's over blown, and i've seen it close to hand.

I wouldn't want to be the guy that comes to my house with a needle for me and my loved ones, i could not believe Fauci the other week, comparing accepting enforced vaccination as a 'civil rights' act' He actually frakkin said that.

This is called inversion, the self-interested, careerist wankers who don't give a sh## about anybody else, are actually trained in neuro linguistic programming as part of their political education. They are sold it as marketing, they come from Harvard and end up in Glaxo What Ever.

And most people think they are nice guys, that they have the interests of Humanity at heart.

Look around you, we are the toads, the water is getting even hotter.

Yes i keep saying this because i see it now and you can see it when reading history, government has always been about control of the populace, not about the well-being of them. Every Western government is modeled on old Rome '.. make them comfortable but make them obey ...".

We don't have left or right or center, it's smoke and mirrors, we have bottom, middle and top.

The individuals that are in charge of the institutions behind government - they are at the top and they are unelected, these are our governments advisors. All of our ministers, Prime or not, do what the advisers tell them to do, since the advisers are the experts. But the advisers don't change, over decades.

Your average voter doesn't have a clue about the minutiae of government and how laws get passed and the world changes, voting is a pastime for the ignorant.

I think (ironically) we need a system of gov that no longer pretends to be left or right, we need to vote in capable individuals to a team that runs the country. Left and Right seem like meaningless labels now, we need teams of experts that can run countries, not ministers that do transport one year and finance the next, noone is that multi-skilled.

The whole thing needs a f###ing upgrade, i've had 4 adult decades of it now and it's fucknig sh## and needs re-tooling.

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Re: fr## sp##ch ?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2020, 01:31:45 AM »
>> more chance of winning the lottery than 'catching' the germ.

Not on my planet ...

gm66

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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2020, 01:45:37 AM »
i guess it's a stats thing, and also experiential.

having said that we have lots of conflicting data, and whether you like it or not we are experiencing soft fascism in the very active silencing of the spectrum of opinions, real data from real professionals is being deleted from online media. That's blatantly wrong whatever your opinion is - if you believe that you live in a democracy.

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Re: fr## sp##ch ?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2020, 01:46:47 AM »
>> more chance of winning the lottery than 'catching' the germ.

Not on my planet ...

Could i have one of those tickets please :)
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2020, 04:45:00 AM »
In the USA we already have over 1% officially, real numbers are probably closer to 10%.  That would be a hell of a lottery.

There are several points I would take issue with in your statement above, I am not sure how much effort either of us should put into the conversation though, because we are unlikely to sway each other's opinions.

>He’s a capitalist civilian just like the rest of us, yet he got called an idiot by the entire ‘news’ team, he was doggedly bullied, he wasn’t even allowed to have his opinion.

That's unfortunate.  I do have to say though that there has been so much anti-science, anti-intellectual noise out there that it is difficult for many people to discern what is real and what isn't.  I could only speak to my own backyard, but there are many dead Americans because of this noise.  Herman Cain is one such person who chose his hill to die on.


>soft fascism
>voting is a pastime for the ignorant
>Left and Right seem like meaningless labels

We are in a time when authoritarianism is on the rise and I don't think it really matters which direction it comes from or that there is even much difference ultimately.  I have to highly disagree with the sentiment that voting is a waste of time or that it doesn't matter.  The mess the US and the UK are in right now are a direct result of voting decisions.  In the US we have enormous structural issues we need to overcome and some serious government reforms to make this country more democratic (small d).

As for the conflicting data, erring on the side of caution just costs you some convenience if wrong while the other side may cause great harm.  Individuals thinking they know more than the experts because they've watched some YouTube video have too much faith in their own intelligence.

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Re: fr## sp##ch ?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2020, 04:52:14 AM »
>Analogies are rarely useful

So much agree, these should actually be outlawed.

Don't agree with the mask thing. I think it's simply a small sacrifice for the greater good and people getting all uppity about their 'rights' have too much time on their hands. It has to be law or the minority who flout it would undermine the whole point of it.

Wonder how many of people who are 'anti-mask' would mind if I smoked and farted in the supermarket... perhaps within 2metres, after all the chances of either killing them is pretty tiny.

>doggedly bullied

That's annoying isn't it. Think unfortunately there's people with brains and open minds and for those who don't, doesn't really matter how long you talk, educate or whatever- they'll continue to think the same things.

« Last Edit: August 01, 2020, 04:54:16 AM by BoL »

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2020, 06:19:42 PM »
1 in 292,201,338 = odds of winning the Powerball jackpot
1 in 302,575,350 = odds of winning the Mega Millions jackpot

330,050,745 = current population according to the US Census Bureau population clock

As every American is lucky enough to have a free Covid "ticket," and as Powerball is drawn twice per week and as there have been 22 weeks since March 1, we would expect that if the odds of getting the germ were about the same as getting Covid, we should have a whopping 24.86 cases so far.

My research tells me the number of Covid cases is somewhat higher.

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2020, 11:06:52 AM »
In fairness he never mentioned winning the jackpot.

How about odds of winning a million versus dead, I think thats a reasonable comparison.

In 25 years the UK Lotto has created 5,700 millionaires.

In 6 months covid has claimed 46,000 lives.