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I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« on: January 09, 2011, 09:31:06 PM »
2 guys I train with... friends... one got drunk and shot the other, at one of my friends/instructors house on NYE.  No one really knows WTF happened.   I went to the seminar yesterday (see video) and another service tonight.

http://video.miami.cbslocal.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=5452206&at1=News&h1=Fundraiser Held For Ft. Lauderdale Man Shot By Friend On NYE&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

R.I.P. Reza.  You will be missed.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 10:50:47 PM »
dogboy: "The State of Florida has a very strict minimum sentencing policy known
as 10-20-Life:, which includes 10 years mandatory prison time for using a gun
during a crime, 20 years mandatory prison time for firing a gun during a crime,
and 25 to life mandatory prison time in  addition to any other sentence for
shooting somebody, regardless of whether they survive or not."

...so does that mean 25+ no matter what? Or if he claims he was drunk out of
his mind it become a lesser crime, like manslaughter?


A Lawyer: "Ron's execution of Reza constituted first degree
murder.  The  State will likely file a Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty.  It's hard to imagine
that Ron has any viable defenses - so he would  likely accept a plea deal "life
sentence" - no parole.  If he does not,  he will spend the next 25 years
appealing, before he is finally executed."



Been struggling to make sense of this one.  Vagner posted a picture of all of them at 12:57 on Facebook...



...arm around the shoulder that killed him, in front of his wife and baby less than 2 hours later.  How f###ed up is that one?  If it wasn't for Reza, Ron wouldn't have even been there because HIS wife and kid were out of town.... Reza felt bad so insisted he come out with them.

At first I thought maybe a struggle ensued over keys, and a gun went off.  Then I heard he was shot 4 times.  So I came up with a scenario where they were close, and it was a 9mm, and the bullets just went straight through, and he kept fighting.... no.  He was backing up, arms out, hands open.  After he got shot once, he dropped to the ground.  Ron then yelled something to his wife and shot him 3 more times on the ground.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 12:09:39 AM »
sorry to hear this tragic new Dogboy and my thought go out to his family and friends
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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 12:22:30 AM »
Time for a change

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 12:54:37 AM »
I've been thinking about it for days.  And every day I found out a little more.  And yet this problem is unsolvable.  Every day Heather must wake up only for this to come crashing back down on her.  Vagner had to clean the blood up.  Fundamentally senseless.  Maybe the best case you could use against me if you are anti-gun.  And yet that was an illegal gun and he had no permit to carry.  But this isn't the time for a debate about that... one is dead, and one is going to prison for life, and there are two young wives without husbands and two kids without fathers.  Everyone loses.

This was the last picture they took together that night


Anyway, thanks for your thoughts...

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 03:42:35 AM »
Sorry to hear that DB

Was he on anything else?  Article says they were partying for NYE

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 04:36:29 AM »
The man I am dating is a Lutheran preacher.  (Yeah.  I know...WTF was I thinking?)

This summer, there was a kid who drowned at the local city swimming pool, and the entire town was really shaken up by it, and this was the story he told everyone:

He had a former church member of his up in South Dakota who was an old guy who had a massive stroke in the corn field.  He was found 30 hours later, taken to a hospital and survived.  In fact, he had a miraculous recovery and was actually ticking along pretty good.

He spoke of another member of his church who was a 37 year old runner in really good shape who went to his doctor's office (in a hospital) for a random checkup.  He died in the hospital 2 hours later surrounded by doctors.

His point:  The Lord takes you when he's gonna take you.  Fair or not, when your time is up, it's up.

I don't know if this helps, but in something so senseless, you'll spin this around in your head so much it'll take too much out of you.  I'm really sorry, DB.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2011, 05:09:10 AM »
If I had to guess, I would say pills, pain killers most likely and hard alcohol.  This was indeed a party but despite what they may look like it was a really tame one. Wives and girlfriends and kids lighting off little fireworks. They weren't all trashed painting the town red. This was more of a family and close friends event.

As far as when your time is up, I agree. I try to live with that in mind. As far as making sense of things, I have to remind myself that is just my own compulsion.  As far as the dinner it was absolutely horrible. An enormous amount of people showed up.  They had a slideshow on the wall. People told stories on a microphone. They were all the same. You'd think he had a 1000 best friends by the stories these people told.

I saw his wife holding their baby.  We both just burst into tears. they were high school sweethearts.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2011, 05:36:04 AM »
Dogboy, words fail us at a time like this.

I'm catching up on reading and this thread makes me sad beyond words.

I send a hug.

(((())))

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2011, 06:11:49 AM »
Sorry Dogboy.  I suppose it will eventually be explained, but it will never make sense.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 07:55:41 AM »
Lost for words. My heart goes to the wifes and children.
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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 01:02:03 PM »
That's f-ed up Rob. Sorry to hear about it.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 03:12:39 PM »
Good God, Children were witness to this tragedy?  *sighs*  That makes it so much worse..

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 04:38:03 PM »
...again, I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

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Re: I'm headed to a friend's memorial service...
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 06:26:11 PM »
Wow. I'm so sorry to hear this. That's is terrible.

I'm checking in for my first time after coming back from the memorial service for one of my closest and oldest friends. But he was 83, had led a wonderful and full life, had been in a wheelchair the last two years and died quietly in his sleep.

A tough pill for those who love him, of course, but I just can't imagine what you and your friends are going through after such a tragedy.

All my best thoughts!
Tom