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littleman

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2018, 12:29:15 AM »
Can you talk about the operating costs and/or business model for mojeek?

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 07:00:48 AM »
I'm probably not in the best position to talk about it, but the owner might be interested in stopping by sometime.

Privacy and no 3rd party tracking is a cornerstone of all future plans though. He's pointed out some fundamental issues with the way DDG serve their results...

I'm sure there will be ads at some point, but nothing that would involve your browsing history.

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 08:50:54 AM »
(Having studied their results, I think a bigger index and fresher results solves a lot of the relevancy issues, their ranking algo is pretty sophisticated)
Looked quite decent at a glance. Couple quick bits of feedback
  • One aspect that is tough is some B2B bleed into B2C queries. As an example, Authorize.net embedded in many sites, so is ranking #1 for credit cards. Some of the big search engines with lots of end user clickstream data likely get around this problem by feeding the normalized click data back into rankings & using it to augment or validate the link graph.
  • Second thing I saw is lots of listings with no meta description or snippet.
  • Third would be not sure I love the brand name. Where did the name come from? Is it synonymous with something else?

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(Having studied their results, I think a bigger index and fresher results solves a lot of the relevancy issues, their ranking algo is pretty sophisticated)
If they get enough scale to strike partnerships with some leading sites in popular categories that could help cover some such relevancy issues. Some of the bigger search engines might get worse on this front as more news publications erect paywalls.

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The problem with the native Reddit engine is that it only uses its onsite data to display results, but combining that data with actual on page content would make for a great search engine.
If the signal were kept secret it could probably work well, but if they announced it & had significant search marketshare that signal would get hit hard quickly.

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2018, 12:58:17 PM »
I read the title to this thread and thought "I MISS HIDDEN TEXT"

#Smile
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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 03:46:01 PM »
>mojeek.com

For a relatively small DB the results I got were pretty good.  Some of the warhorses were missing but everyone displays them because they are copying the Google serps as much as they can. mojeek is ranking for itself which brings up interesting stuff that are just as relevant as the warhorses.

This all makes me wonder if good metasearch engines might make a comeback?  Part of what killed metasearch was all the engines and directories died so it was just Google and Bing and engines using Bing, not very interesting.  But with Gigablast (open source) and mojeek, Yandex and others combined with Bing maybe it's time to revisit the viability of metasearch.  (DDG is really just a blended metasearch anyway.)

In this thread: http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/new-sighting-'duck-duck'-as-a-verb/  we talk about searx.me an open source meta search engine that is pretty good and hackable.  Something like that might be interesting.  I wish I had the knowledge to install and maintain the script because I'd put it on a server, I guess for no other reason than to say I was back into search again.   8)  Or maybe bribe littleman to put a searx instance up on th3core so we don't get tracked by The Man.

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 06:22:29 PM »
 "I MISS HIDDEN TEXT"

Have some nostalgia on me.

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
While we are talking, does anyone know anything about Wotbox.com?  It was a spidering engine I wonder if they are still active? 

Also Exalead?

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Re: I kinda miss those 5000 search engines.
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2018, 11:09:35 AM »
It looks like they spidered for awhile in 2012 and then quit.  Backfill quality sort of results.  So I'll put it in the dead column.