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Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:50:52 PM »
 as medical-use laws see crime fall.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/14/legal-marijuana-medical-use-crime-rate-plummets-us-study

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 08:29:45 PM »
"They found that among the border states the effect of the change in law was largest in California, where there was a reduction of 15% in violent crime, and weakest in Arizona, where there was a fall of 7%. The crimes most strongly affected were robbery, which fell by 19%, and murder, which dropped by 10%."

Wow, that is significant.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 08:39:38 PM »
Take away the profit motive and you take away the violence.

Side story:
Two kids I grew up with ended up being competing pot dealers in their early adult years.  They lived on the same street, knew each other their entire lives and use to play together.  I'll call them Steve and Jose.  Steve was a big boy, Jose was small and skinny.  Anyway, Steve and Jose had a dispute about who got to sell where.  Jose, being smaller, gathered up a bunch of his friends and knocked on Steve's door.  Steve looked out his window and saw a half dozen guys.  Nervous, and not wanting to go out empty handed he grabbed a baseball bat.  Steve and Jose started shouting at each other and one of Jose's friends pulled out a knife.  Steve wanted to de-escalate, so he threw his bat on the ground.  Immediately after that one of Jose's friends picked up the bat and struck Steve's head.  Steve ended up in a comma for a month and woke up even dimmer than he was before.

There is a lot of stupid to go around in that story.  It is just one small consequence of the failed war on drugs policies of the twentieth century. 

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2019, 09:07:23 PM »
>Wow, that is significant.
>Take away the profit motive and you take away the violence.

That was my reaction as well.

>So Debbie says --
Assuming the above points are right.  What happens if we apply it to a similar issue --but this time involving sex workers.

Behind Illicit Massage Parlors Lie a Vast Crime Network and Modern Indentured Servitude
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/us/massage-parlors-human-trafficking.html

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 09:19:57 PM »
>I suspect the same outcome.

Though I am uneasy with the idea, I agree.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2019, 11:09:28 PM »
I have mixed feelings about that.

I think it's fair to say that hallucinogenic mushrooms were one of the things I used to self-medicate for depression in my late teens, early twenties. I think it might have even worked (obviously, I didn't do double blind tests on myself). And one of the benefits of having it come up during a security clearance investigation in the 1980s, is that the government already knows... so now you do too.

But one of the things that concerns me about decriminalization is that it is still typically criminal to sell, but not to buy. So you create a demand, but the supplier can go to jail.

It's like the old laws on prostitution (and possibly current - I don't know what the laws are) where prostitutes get arrested and clients mostly skate. That seems completely backwards, especially when so many of the women are coerced. Certainly, the supplier/customer power dynamic is different than in the case of, say, tobacco.

The drug violence and human trafficking problems would go away if the demand went away.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2019, 11:11:01 PM by ergophobe »

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 07:43:42 PM »
You have a good points about decriminalized vs. legal and punishing the users vs punishing the sellers.

We have had other threads on the legalization of hard drugs, but basically I hold the opinion that they should be legal with a lot of restrictions.  Sellers should have to be licensed and have inspections.  They should not be able to advertise.  They should be taxed heavily and those taxes should go to support addiction treatment.  I'd also make the sellers responsible for making sure the streets stay clean, say if needles start to be found within 5 miles of an establishment then it would lose its license.

Of course, if the world thought like me prostitutes would be in unions and have pension funds.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 10:29:23 PM »
Well I'm in, littleman 2020!

We are getting legal weed, it's just a matter of time. I also liken it to current day bread and circus, where it's the bread.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 09:15:16 PM »
I just found out the real reason we're dropping marijuana as a drug... we can't fill low-end jobs due to mandatory drug tests (truck drivers, nurses aids). My daughter runs a big nursing home and has to drop otherwise excellent candidates with good references and job history because of failing mj test.  Nurses aids (CNAs) are in such critical shortage that her company is running recruiting excursions to US territories, particularly Puerto Rico.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2019, 06:23:28 PM »
Portugal is an example for the world and this builds on that. Onward and upward :)
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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 04:10:39 AM »
Of course, if the world thought like me prostitutes would be in unions and have pension funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicat_du_travail_sexuel

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2019, 07:57:35 AM »
More importantly, never ever drop the bat.

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Re: Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2019, 05:41:22 PM »
Unintended consequences:

Oregon, awash in marijuana, takes steps to curb production
https://apnews.com/eaea113eee94421789b24fcf047f6bae