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« Reply #285 on: August 02, 2021, 06:28:28 PM »
>>Florida

49% vaccination rate. That leaves a lot of population with no protection. Add to that that even though the vaccine seems to keep most breakthrough cases out of the hospital
- the breakthrough cases are just as contagious as non-vaccinated (it now appears)
- even if you're 95% protected against serious illness, that still leaves a lot of people

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« Reply #286 on: August 02, 2021, 07:07:05 PM »
PS - that said, overall as a state, Florida is doing better than my region. I just looked in the five-county region around me, the highest vaccination rate was 43%. Some are still in the 30s.

And, not surprisingly, we had 19 cases last week, which I think is our most ever. We only have 18,000 residents, so literally 1 in a 1000 got a positive Covid test last week.

Merced County is barely even into the 30s. The NYT dashboard shows them as 31% fully vaccinated.
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« Reply #287 on: August 03, 2021, 12:03:08 AM »
21 cases over the weekend - again, that is more than .1% in three days. In 3 cases the status is unknown. 13 unvaccinated, 5 vaccinated in a county where 40-some-odd percent are vaccinated.

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« Reply #288 on: August 04, 2021, 02:05:45 AM »
I'm kinda shocked/dismayed by how much social norms influence human behavior; it seems to trump logic and self-preservation.

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« Reply #289 on: August 04, 2021, 01:41:29 PM »
>norms

'A new Axios-Ipsos poll reveals that people who aren't vaccinated say the rise in Covid cases is the fault of "Foreigners traveling to the U.S." (37%), "Mainstream media" (27%), "Americans traveling internationally" (25%), and "Joe Biden" (21%). Vaccinated people, on the other hand, blame the surge on "The unvaccinated" (79%), "Donald Trump" (36%), and "Conservative media" (33%).'

Unvaccinated people blame "mainstream media" and foreigners for rise in Covid cases | Boing Boing
https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/unvaccinated-people-blame-mainstream-media-and-foreigners-for-rise-in-covid-cases.html

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« Reply #290 on: August 04, 2021, 03:56:23 PM »
I would say "all of the above" except Biden. I don't see how to lay this at his feet. I would also give a 90/10 split to conservative/mainstream media.

Speaking as one of those liberals who would jump straight to the unvaccinated, conservative media and politicians, above all Trump as mostly to blame, the simple fact is you don't get the Delta variant from India into the US without international travel. So you can parse it both ways - if we hard-locked the borders, we wouldn't have Delta (but in that case, the economy would be a wreck). Or if people could just get their sh## together and get vaccinated, we would not have the surge either (but in that case, we'd all have the Bill Gates tracking chip embedded and Apple users would get brain-locked).

At this point there is plenty of vaccine if people would just take it. Madera County stuck at 31% is just insane.

There are many problems, but I think basic statistical illiteracy is a part of this. People don't understand compounding probabilities, by which I mean that many of them (not the hardcore QAnon anti-vaxxers) get that the vaccine reduces risk by, say, 90%. What I don't think they get is that bringing the R-naught down by 90% quickly brings down a surge because .1^1 = .1, but .1^3 = .001, so three-hop infection paths become extremely rare.

Even if the vaccine were 50% effective, it means that my chance of getting infected from a 5th degree contact would be reduced by 1/2^5 = 0.03125. So it reduces my chance that the virus jumps from my friend's electrician's kid's teacher to me by 97%. At 90% effective, it reduces that particular risk by 99.999%.

It's hard for a virus to propagate under either of those conditions. But I think if it were 50%, people would think it wasn't worth it because they would see it as 50/50 for getting the virus.*

*True story - at a friend's house, his new (now ex) girlfriend offered me bottled water and I said I would prefer tap water. She was aghast and said, "You don't have to drink that!" (this was in a place with very good tap water... we're not talking Fresno or Flint). I had just read a report that had tested bottled waters and found you had only a 50% chance that it would be better than your tap water and a 50% chance it would be worse. I told her that and she said, "See, then it's worth it."

That's how well most Americans understand basic probabilities.
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« Reply #291 on: August 04, 2021, 06:47:07 PM »
>I would say "all of the above" except Biden. I don't see how to lay this at his feet.

I would have liked to have seen an actual push campaign for vaccines with incentives if needed rather than setting the July 4th goal and calling it good. We also get a lot of mixed messages from who, cdc, fauci, et al. I think some better leadership  throughout would have helped and I'm surprised he didn't bring more to the table. Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.

>That's how well most Americans understand basic probabilities.

I've come to the conclusion that our people are just getting dumber, to boot.

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« Reply #292 on: August 04, 2021, 07:46:06 PM »
>>actual push campaign

I agree that I would have liked a more active campaign, but then I'm one of those damn vaccinated liberals who still thinks journalists should actually talk to people with fancy degrees in the actual subspecialty they're talking about. So I'm just part of the problem, as it were.

When I said I couldn't lay it Biden's feet, I was thinking, "Can't do more without guaranteeing losing the House and Senate in 2022." And I'm not sure getting another 10% vaccinated is worth an election.




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« Reply #293 on: August 04, 2021, 08:27:45 PM »
NYC vaccine mandate
https://www.vox.com/recode/2021/8/3/22607985/new-york-vaccine-mandate-indoor-dining

It looks they are going to require some proof. Oh, that's one thing he could have done - require federal workers and contractors to show evidence of vaccination.

And more liberal propaganda. Yes, actually, it is the unvaccinated (and a discussion of Provincetown).

Breakthrough cases aren’t the cause of the US Covid-19 surge
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Unvaccinated people still make up the vast majority of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. They’ve made up more than 94 percent of reported Covid-19 cases in states with available data... Based on data in the US, unvaccinated people are eight times as likely to get the virus and experience disease symptoms, 25 times as likely to be hospitalized, and 24 times as likely to die, compared to people who are vaccinated.
https://www.vox.com/22602039/breakthrough-cases-covid-19-delta-variant-masks-vaccines

The good news: a third dose may help against Delta

Pfizer data suggest third vaccine dose boosts protection against Delta variant
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The data, which involved tests of 23 people, have not yet been peer-reviewed or published.... It's not clear if boosted antibody levels actually correlate to better protection, or if that extra protection is even needed.

The data show that the vaccine's efficacy peaked at more than 96% from a week to around two months after receiving a second dose of vaccine, and then appeared to gradually decline to 83.7% four to six months later
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/health/pfizer-third-dose-data-bn/index.html


The bad news: it's going to cost more.
Pfizer and Moderna Will Raise the Price of Their Vaccines After Adaptation to New Variants
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/379108

And Ron DeSantis strikes another blow for student rights
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs order that would strip schools of funding for imposing a mask mandate for students
https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-signs-bill-block-school-mask-mandates-2021-7


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« Reply #296 on: August 15, 2021, 05:51:41 PM »
Georgia County Shuts Down All Schools Amid Major Student COVID Outbreak

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ware-county-georgia-schools-shut-covid-delta_n_6118377fe4b0454ed70e5c52

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« Reply #297 on: August 17, 2021, 11:59:32 AM »
U.S. to recommend COVID vaccine boosters after 8 months

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-to-recommend-covid-vaccine-boosters-after-8-months/ar-AANoSVH

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Pfizer submits data to FDA for authorization of Covid vaccine booster shot for general population

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/16/covid-vaccine-booster-shot-pfizer-submits-data-to-fda-for-approval.html
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« Reply #298 on: August 17, 2021, 09:37:59 PM »
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, fully vaccinated, tests positive for COVID-19
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/17/texas-governor-greg-abbott-positive-covid/

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« Reply #299 on: August 20, 2021, 02:51:01 PM »
>bring it on

US coronavirus: As Covid-19 hospitalizations increase, more Americans are deciding or being forced by employers to get vaccinated

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/20/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html