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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2011, 04:51:57 PM »
>not 'having a go at you'
bro, I know, this whole thread was just fun, to see who came out of the closet in their riding gear.

>the 'animal' that I hear is not 'competition'
I know... we aren't talking about the same thing.  When I heard you talking about business and overhead projectors, I knew you were in a different vein.  Not to say business isn't competitive, because it is, and I personally like competitive high risk/reward work, but 'sports' are different than 'work', even if you are professional athlete and both are one in the same.

This thread was about motorcycle porn... meaning, explicitly gratuitous images and videos of an extreme motorsport.  It naturally has to touch on racing and competition, just as much as if, like Damian, the idea is to just make it over a pass in some exotic country and sit on your helmet for a moment to have a smoke and take it all in all.  

But it does have to do with the extreme side of things, because that is where the meaning in things like this are obvious.  That is why I didn't post pics about people's daily commute to the store on mopeds. It is about that feeling you get when you are on a bike and you feel perfect and everything is in harmony, allowing you to push your bike and yourself beyond maybe what you thought you were capable of.... whether that means committing your entire body to a curve, or making it down the muddy side of a rutted mountain, with the shiny side still up... and celebrating the fact you are in as much control of your life as you'll ever be, for better or for worse.  

When I ride my bike, I am deeply involved with the moment.  I don't daydream. I don't think about work.  I don't do anything but focus on what I'm doing because what I'm doing demands my attention.  Same with driving 16 race dogs at night, in the high country.  Same as when some guy 10 years younger and 30 lbs heavier is trying to kill me at jiu-jitsu.  

So yeah, if you want to listen to the speech and think about 'quality management' training sessions, well, yeah, its going to be completely ridiculous, because you took it completely out of context.  But if you are jogger that has trouble getting out of bed in the morning, then maybe you can begin see the truth behind the words and find some encouragement to 'just do it'.  But if you are talking about REALLY seeing what you are made of, at the expense of recalibrating your ego with reality... possibly in a way you could be fundamentally dissatisfied with your performance or kill you... then that speech is dead on target. And that is why motorcycle racing is so cool in my opinion.  These guys literally risk their lives to beat other equally talented people with the same mindset and goals.

I don't know... nothing really matters.  It's us who give things meaning.  And I see meaning when I push myself well beyond what I thought was possible.  And after I feel comfortable with the 'relative', then I look for the highest expression of whatever I'm involved with so I can pit myself against the very best in competition.  Not because I want to beat the other person, but because I want to beat my own image of myself, and live up to my own standards.  And in this pursuit, I learn about myself, expand my capacity, make the most of myself and my life, so when I die, at least I know I actually lived.  Right now, at 39, I've had a rich enough life that I could die today and it wouldn't have been a waste or a tragedy. Most people have only experienced life through the TV and the movies and their goal is to only get to the next paycheck or the weekend.  

So for me, this speech is about life, just not sports.  But I find it impossible to talk about competition, without using the same language that's in the speech.  It's like in one of the first videos where the guy says, "and if you came in second, you just wanted to kill everybody."  No one but a true competitor would understand that feeling because its about competition, not participation.  I love racing against people who think this way, and I find it a complete waste of time to race against the guys that think otherwise because there is no glory in beating losers. (btw, that is not directed at you 4eyes, at all)

« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 04:55:35 PM by dogboy »

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Re: Motorcycle Porn
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2011, 05:01:33 PM »
DB.  beautifully Put :) 

I am with you about the doing, not watching. 

That said, I just have to take issue with this bit: 
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because there is no glory in beating losers.

No, Guys like me do not see ourselves as losers. Losers are the ones that crash.
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 05:12:59 PM »
>loser

A loser is someone who competes without heart and effort.  Just because you don't win, or you DNF, doesn't make you a loser.  I don't care if you come in 15th, if it was everything you had to beat the guy in 14th and your goal is to be someday first.  Everything is relative.

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2011, 06:21:06 PM »
Yes, but I always have something left in reserve you see..... 

Even when I do some cross country race, and put in loads of effort, the reality is I could always train harder, and I am never completely on my knees at the end.  I know where I like to stop, and I am damn sure it is before you....:)  I also know I will never win. (no not giving up, reality)

Dogboy, If I saw you coming up behind, I would stand aside... no fun in being beaten so hard.   

It could be a British thing,  we do lose well. We Just find a different game to play.

For me sport is in the playing, yes winning is great, but it does not crumple to nothing if I don't win. 


That said, my family think I am competitive, perhaps it is all a question of shades of grey.


If a Bike comes up behind you on the road, do you take up the race, or ignore it?    See I will either over take and be gone, or stop and wait to leave a gap....

I bet you race :) 


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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2011, 06:50:18 PM »
>I also know I will never win. (no not giving up, reality)
>If I saw you coming up behind, I would stand aside.

...those are great tshirt quotes:)


>I bet you race
nah, I'm considering getting lessons at the track down here, maybe go to a few trackdays to blow the cobwebs out, but thats the extent.


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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2011, 06:59:06 PM »
OK, so I read you wrong :)

Thought of having a track day myself.

A friend did it, (who does race on the road, just cannot help himself)  and said it was somehow easy, with all that track to play with if you got it wrong. 

He seemed to think that the extra 5% would be the difficult bit to get.  I think it will be different for me.


sigh... just wish it was warmer here. Ran mine up at the weekend, and thats as close as I get to it at the mo. Not allowed it in the living room :(
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2011, 11:32:37 PM »
@DB
LOL - OK - I know its your thread I am highjacking, so sorry for that - just put it down to my competitive nature ;)
 
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if you want to listen to the speech and think about 'quality management' training sessions, well, yeah, its going to be completely ridiculous, because you took it completely out of context.

Nah - how could you think that I 'wanted' to think about 'quality management' ?????

I wasn't thinking about quality management at all - I was thinking about motorcycles. I have been a motorcyclist of sorts (nothing with a top speed over 80mph though) and have experienced the 'brown' form of adrenalin - most specifically on the pillion of my brothers modfified 'Bonny' when he decided that making a run for it was better than stopping to answer the nice policeman's questions. He was treasurer of the local chapter of the 'Sons of Hell', and to him it was just par for the course - to me somewhat less so - I'd ridden at those speeds before, but not through the middle of Manchester :)

... anyway... to return to the point - I was thinking about motorcycles and competition right up to the point where my 'bullshit' detectors went off - second or third sentence, as I recall, something about 'theory of evolution' saying 'only the strong survive' (not exactly true - but a cliche just the same) - after that the rhetoric that assaulted me forcibly reminded me of the 'gung ho' enthusiasm of a 'quality management guru' - or a 'life coach', if you prefer. Not my doing, the rhetoric took me there against my will.

Stripped of the cliches, it seems to boil down to:
* you need to be competitive
* it can be exciting
* unexpected things happen
* whoohooo!!!
.... nothing wrong with that, but I think it could be expressed better.

I think our different viewpoint lies not the need to be competitive, or in the excitement of a good adrenalin rush, but in the link between the two - and our respective reactions to the style of the rhetoric.

If I may ask a hypothetical question that could throw light on the issue....

Q. If someone taught you a technique that would let you win the IOM TT.. but a side-effect of this technique would remove the adrenalin rush, would you use it, and win.. or would you not use it, finish 10th, but keep the adrenalin rush.

My argument is that someone who is REALLY competitive would forgo the adrenalin rush in exchange for the win. 
(yes, I know the 'win' has its 'rush' all of its own.. but hopefully you get my point )

If I may counter your speech with one that moves me more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEeLh5ItQcY
.... the poem 'If' read by two of the greatest competitors in modern sport (text version here : http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm)

Of course, if Kipling had ridden a fast motorcycle, perhaps he would have given it a bit more 'oomph' ;)

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2011, 12:17:37 AM »
I worked on a motorcycle affiliate site about a year ago and thought I had better get into the mindset of the buyer (car driver for 18 years).  I'm still on my 125cc Scooter at the moment (Sym Fiddle 2, which is great BTW), I'm looking to take my test on a geared machine this summer though.

I'll probably only do 1000 miles a year, but those 1000 miles would NEVER be matched by 1000 miles in a car.


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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 04:35:56 PM »
>motorcycle affiliate site
you know, I'm actually looking at finding a good motorcycle aff program... if you know of a notable one, lmk.

>I'll probably only do 1000 miles a year
let us know... I bet 4 months tops.

>If someone taught you a technique
It would need to be legal; no cheating.  If it was, I wish you would have let me answer that, because I would have answered yes before you finished the sentence.  I compete to win and do the very best I can do, or least beat every person I could before I go down.  Adrenaline just helps you do that and gives you superhuman ability.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEeLh5ItQcY
That is indeed a good one, and the subject deserves it's own thread, but I'm afraid this isn't qualify as porn:)  Look, I don't know about you, but I don't need a professional athlete to tell me how to be a man.  Just because you know how to drive a bike or swing a racket doesn't mean you know what you are doing off the field (Tiger Woods, et. al). This one is about how to live your life... the big picture, the long haul. Indeed something to aspire towards, but in terms of 'competition', the best you could say it was about 'how to be a good sport'. IMO it's also a much better read, because they edited out my favorite verses, but if you want to hear a better one than that, I suggest you hear a letter I wrote my little nephews called, 'The Strong Man', which was my best attempt at passing on what little I know on the subject to them.

...now, back to bikes:) Any pics of your brother's modified 'Bonny'?  
 

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2011, 04:42:07 PM »
>motorcycle affiliate site
you know, I'm actually looking at finding a good motorcycle aff program... if you know of a notable one, lmk.

>I'll probably only do 1000 miles a year
let us know... I bet 4 months tops.


I have been using the GetGeared one through Affiliate future.  Not sure I could recommend that at the moment with all the payment problems AF seem to have right now.  There is not much else around, but if you find anything goo then do let me know.

4 months...hmm you might be right. 

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2011, 12:46:48 AM »
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but I don't need a professional athlete to tell me how to be a man
Nah - me neither, but of course they are just reading it out - as you probably already know, the poem is by Rudyard Kipling and was written in 1895

Its quality is in its timeless relevance.

... but you are right, if it has any 'porn' element to it, it is some kind of weird intellectual porn (that if it does exist, probably shouldn't)

Sadly, I have no photos of my brother's bonny - I am sure he must have some, but we aren't really in regular contact much these days.
He went though a series of nice old British bikes, the last one being a Norton Commando, before spending 15 years in the US riding Harleys.
He reckoned, and I suspect he was right, that a Harley is a stupid bike to ride in the UK, where it is wet and windy, with small twisty lanes etc.. but makes perfect sense in the US, where you have nice long wide roads and states with biker-friendly weather.

I think he would still be there now if it wasn't for the fact he got deported (long story - best told over a few beers ;))


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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2011, 03:15:20 PM »
>Norton
You know they are back at building a limited number of badass Commandos?



>Brits
You guys hear that MotoGP is going back to Silverstone in June?

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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2011, 03:51:15 PM »
Now THAT qualifies as motorcycle porn.

His was an old 850 - not as nice to look at as the bonny, but better to ride (so he said).

As speed is not the 'main thing' for me any more, if I went back to biking, I'd go retro - or as retro as I could whilst still getting a little reliability.

An India Enfield would do the trick for me : http://www.royalenfield.com/Motorcycles/classic-500.aspx








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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2011, 04:25:54 PM »
I LIKE that bike! I get it in that color too...


I rode with this guy, who was riding another of new retro Enfields:


...how about this new/old/custom Guzzi:

...just as cool as the old ones, but with Brembo Brakes, it can actually stop too. And like the Commando, Ohlins really does make the best suspension.

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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2011, 09:54:10 PM »
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with Brembo Brakes, it can actually stop too.

I had an old Honda VFR 750 in Hislops colours.  Red White and Blue.  I sold it when I realised my Mountain bike had better brakes :) 

So yes, that is a big issue with older kit for me.  The Guzzi, I bet is sounds nice.  The Jap stuff just doesn't have the noise right. 

Why Lucy ( Daughter)  was a couple of years old, we were up at the Cat and Fiddle

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/July/jul0110-cat-and-fiddle-most-dangerous/_/R-EPI-125118

........And a Ducati went past..   Her head lifted immediately to the noise.  It gets you deep down.   

She ignored all the Jap stuff.

I still love my Fazer though.   It is the only one I have :)
 
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