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Why We Are Here => Water Cooler => Topic started by: rcjordan on July 07, 2011, 05:17:24 PM
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so News Of The World is killed to break the scent trail
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/us-newscorp-hacking-view-idUSTRE7664LN20110707
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He's a very important man rc - he chooses our prime minister...
:'(
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He also chose Myspace.
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Obviously a tw*t then ;)
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I tried to warn him. Even invited him to a roadshow. But, no, he wouldn't listen.
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/3432#comment-21076
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I was referencing his Myspace purchase, not his choice for PM ...though the thought does occur to me that Nevermind. Or I'll have to ban myself.
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I tried to warn him. Even invited him to a roadshow. But, no, he wouldn't listen.
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/3432#comment-21076
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I was referencing his Myspace purchase, not his choice for PM ...though the thought does occur to me that Nevermind. Or I'll have to ban myself.
Nice to see you around again, RC. Always good to see Threadwatch names around again. :)
As for NoW - the scandal is that he'd rather sack all the newer employees than the chief exec of NI who was responsible for it all.
And I bet the other papers are crapping themselves a little - the rumours were always that *everybody* was doing it, but that NoW got fingered with it.
So now NoW is closed, there's a challenge to the other tabloids. :)
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Hi Brian. I saw your nick on the roster. Welcome to yet-another-seo-forum.
>threadwatch
Most of them are here as well as the remnants of a few other forums. Heavy on Brits, though it manages to struggle on even with that burden.
>the chief exec of NI
I'd understand it better if she was a bit younger/hotter.
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well she's younger and hotter than Murdoch. Its all relative.
>>sack
perhaps. But 90 days notice. I make that new contracts Monday 5th and SUNday launches 11th Sept?
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Am hoping the NOTW capitulating isn't the end of it. A lot of Murdoch's enemies - quite rightly - smell blood on this and could do some serious damage to his organisation.
I see the New York Times are leading with it as a story today. If they can convince the American public that Murdoch is a man without any ethics (which is true; all he has ever been interested in is the bottom line) and play up the fact one of his newspapers hacked into the phone of a dead teenage girl along with dead ex-servicemen who bravely fought for their country (this bit should be laid on thick) then you may get to see people turning away from the Post and Fox News. This is a long-shot as it stands but then who could have predicted the demise of Britain's best-selling Sunday newspaper even a few days ago?
Cheers,
Ed
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>remnants
Heh, never been called that but it fits. Welcome Brian.
I'm waiting for the Here? effect to take place. When law enforcement in UK and other countries start looking at other tabloids and rags to see if they were hacking and wire tapping, after asking the question 'Is it happening here?'
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Unfortunately I believe that punters have fairly short memories. It comes at good time for the UK govt because the next election is almost 4 years away and some other scandal will happen before then.
I notice that NOTW has taken the paywall off their site.
I think that the sales of NOTW on Sunday will be through the roof because it is the last issue. It also wouldn't surprise me to see many thousands of copies sent on RAF flights to Afghanistan.
I agree with Gurtie, there will be a "SUNday" type paper before Christmas for sure.
It's good to see the NUJ giving a fight - but they are a toothless set of wimp twats who will do nada if it is going to cost them a penny.
It is shame the UK doesn't have the perp walk. I would have loved to see Coulson being led in handcuffs (especially if he was still at #10 - what cracking tv pics that would have been) - this "He was arrested by appointment at a south London police station" wouldn't stack up for me, I would have a couple of plods hammering on my door and shoved in the back of a panda car to be whisked off to the nick to have fingerprints, dna and photeys taken after my shoe laces and belt were removed.
Can't wait for the other papers to be outed - Reports say they were all at it - including the Sun.
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I do wonder how deep this runs through the different units of News International?
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very, I suspect (personal opinion only of course - please don't sue us!).
I wonder how deep it runs at other papers as well though. Presumably the Guardian are happy they're squeaky clean or they wouldn't have taken things this far, but I certainly know of one magazine who did some quite murky investigations to get info on someone and I'd be willing to bet most of them wouldn't exactly come out smelling of roses if someone dug deep.
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Shhh! Listen...
...if you're very quiet, you can probably hear their email servers wiping the disks.
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>Britain's best-selling Sunday newspaper
Hey, we all know quality content sells. (photo credit: wired.com)
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The hate newspapers in the UK directly affect government policy (with lies) and need to be kicked into touch imo.
Police just raided the star offices.
>break the scent trail
Yes a great attempt to divert and placate the public. And the workers suffer of course. Not sure it will work - this story has a long way to go yet I think.
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>a long way to go yet I think
I think so, too. I read somewhere (wired?) that twitter has been responsible sustaining much of the pressure on the gov. True?
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possibly, I'm not sure.
These sites got quite a bit of attention:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/murdoch_messages_2/97.php
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/murdoch-deal-petition#petition
and now :) http://www.zazzle.com/iphone_4_cover_speckcase-176412183815381997
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Worth a watch: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/07/actor-hugh-grant-confronts-news-of-the-world-editor-on-air/
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This is the same Hugh Grant who happily took Rupert Murdoch's dollar when he signed for Fox Movies back in the 90s...
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blimey RC I thought Gurtie had appeared in the NOTW until I opened up the larger photo :)
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http://whois.domaintools.com/thesunonsunday.co.uk
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>> twitter has been responsible...?
public opinion has been responsible, and its been very clear on twitter what public opinion is, but I wouldn't say that the twittersphere has achieved something which wouldn't have happened anyway, I think in this case people were so offended that social media didn't even fan the flames as much as it has with other things.
Facebook did (allegedly) have a direct input because the first company to say they'd donate their ad fee to charity rather than pay NOTW said it was a direct result of a customer suggestion on FB. Your take on that depends on how cynical you are I guess :)
>> thought Gurtie had appeared
my hair's not nearly that long Mick
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A bit of a laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjZOEaH720Y&feature=player_embedded
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I am surprised that anyone took NOTW seriously: I thought it was sort of the equivalent to the National Enquirer in the US which is a trash tabloid newspaper that people know is a bunch of bunk. People make fun of the Enquirer as crap...and its more of a joke than anything else.
So...and I understanding this correctly: News of the World was considered a reputable newspaper by the majority of the public in the UK?
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Nah, NOTW was pretty much like the National Enquirer - a pile of crap.
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Not a reputable newspaper, but a well-read and powerful one. I'd compare it to something like the New York Post which Murdoch also owns. The Enquirer seems to me to be wholly made-up stories whereas a fair bit of what was in the NOTW was vaguely true but just trash. The current foreign secretary William Hague used to write for them so it did carry some weight.
Ed
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Incoming…
"Rupert Murdoch's efforts to contain the scandal within the UK received a further set back on Monday after a Washington campaign group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics, called for an investigation into whether any journalists working for NI had hacked into the voice mail of Americans."
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Good stuff. Every Democrat should be all over this. They won't get a better chance to take down Fox News.
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I'm not a fan of Murdoch, but regardless of that I don't believe it is good for any one person to have so much influence over public opinion.
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Why a Minister shouldn't be called Jeremy Hunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzgIBVYQQ-Q
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hah... he made a right Ed Balls out of that.
I'm impressed by the backlash, Murdoch's takeover of sky questioned, advertisers pulling out of the notw... good stuff.
their 'hack' was disgustingly simple too, i'm surprised this wasn't more common knowledge.
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News Corp withdraws bid
bbc.co.uk/news/business-14142307
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"Ahhh, there's no justice like angry mob justice!" --Seymour Skinner
and one of my favorite quotes
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Hmm. Ms Brooks exists stage left. Wonder where she'll resurface?
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a nearby toilet, no doubt.
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Smells of preemptive FUD to me.
Dow Jones CEO and Wall St. Journal publisher Les Hinton is stepping down amidst the escalating News Corp phone-hacking scandal.
"Dear Rupert,
I have watched with sorrow from New York as the News of the World story has unfolded. I have seen hundreds of news reports of both actual and alleged misconduct during the time I was executive chairman of News International and responsible for the company. The pain caused to innocent people is unimaginable. That I was ignorant of what apparently happened is irrelevant and in the circumstances I feel it is proper for me to resign from News Corp, and apologize to those hurt by the actions of the News of the World.
When I left News International in December 2007, I believed that the rotten element at the News of the World had been eliminated; that important lessons had been learned; and that journalistic integrity was restored.
My testimonies before the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee were given honestly. When I appeared before the Committee in March 2007, I expressed the belief that Clive Goodman had acted alone, but made clear our investigation was continuing.
In September 2009, I told the Committee there had never been any evidence delivered to me that suggested the conduct had spread beyond one journalist. If others had evidence that wrongdoing went further, I was not told about it."
http://www.businessinsider.com/les-hinton-wsj-murdoch-phone-hacking-2011-7
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Hackgate the Movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufrqhp0eE&feature=player_embedded
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Rupert Murdoch says he has been touched by messages left on Amy Winehouse's phone. HHH! (credit:reddit.com)
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Remember when myspace got bought and everyone was shocked? Then a month later they announced a 10 year/$10B guaranteed ad deal with Google?
What ever happened to that?
If they walk away with a loss on the value of the company, thats one thing... but if they made money on the whole thing overall, that's different.