Author Topic: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat  (Read 869 times)

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No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« on: October 05, 2019, 09:56:50 PM »
Just trollin'

No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat? Controversial New 'Guidelines' Lead To Outrage : NPR
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/09/30/765722916/no-need-to-cut-back-on-red-meat-controversial-new-guidelines-lead-to-outrage



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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2019, 06:53:40 AM »
I wonder who funded it.

Certainly not the IPCC.
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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2019, 12:49:04 PM »
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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2019, 04:12:27 PM »
Certainly not the IPCC.

I have seen a lot of pushback from the beef industry on that score lately as well. I think they don't like the overall trend. Beef consumption is at or near an all-time low since 1970 according to the Ag Econ Institute.

https://aei.ag/2018/02/19/wheres-meat-u-s-meat-consumption-continues-higher/

However, it's not all the buzz about plant-based burgers or worries about climate that are driving it. The big winner is chicken, and that (I believe) is driven by effective marketing by the poultry industry (touting lower fat, even though huge amounts of chicken is consumed breaded and fried).

I find the whole narrative about food depressing - pretty much the only criterion that ever gets discussed in the mainstream media is "Is it good for me?" All other factors in our food production and distribution system tend to be ignored.

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 05:25:36 PM »
There is the green house gas emissions too.  The US standard for beef is pretty high compared to other meats.  The math is quite different for grass-fed beef though.  There are people advocating a specific method of grazing that can actually increase grass lands carbon uptake.

In my household the overall biggest factor is price.  Chicken can be very inexpensive, sometimes less than $1 a pound.

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2019, 03:20:49 AM »
The math is quite different for grass-fed beef though.  There are people advocating a specific method of grazing that can actually increase grass lands carbon uptake.

I've seen this calculated both ways. I've seen it asserted that grass-fed beef have the food in their stomachs for longer and that increases methane emissions. I've also recently saw an article reporting on a study that showed that these methods that were supposed to sequester all sorts of carbon in the soil failed to do so.

>>$1 per pound

You won't find grass-fed beef at that price though. You'll need to wait for the kids to leave the house if you want go that route!

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2019, 10:15:29 AM »
Grass fed, range fed or Bison, I'm all for red meat.  So in our war on global warming we go after cutting the fossil fuel emissions first, cows last so I don't have to eat pesky tofu exclusively for the next 20 years.  By that time I'll be dead.  Hhh.

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2019, 06:29:09 AM »
cows last so I don't have to eat pesky tofu

You eating beef is not the problem and you giving up beef is not the solution. Better to eat beef and support politicians of either party willing to address the problem than to stop eating beef and do nothing else.

With my tinfoil hat on, my brain tells me that it helps certain powerful interests for you to feel guilty instead of angry.

There's a lot more to say there... but I'll leave it at that.

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2019, 10:51:19 AM »
I feel NO guilt  8)
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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2019, 06:56:36 PM »
Cardiologist Explains the Latest Red Meat Research -- video

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I have attempted to be as neutral as possible. I love steak but I also love the planet. The video format is an objective analysis of the data with no personal opinions or bias until the last 2 minutes.

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2019, 07:21:49 PM »
>cardiologist

Th3core is comprised of members who routinely ignore warnings that bacon is a known carcinogen. Do you think we're going to listen to a cardiologist whining about red meat?

Yes, bacon really is killing us The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2019, 07:34:49 PM »
Well, the video is interesting.  He says that the the lower risk is marginal, and that many other life style choices (including other diet choices) are a bigger factors. 

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Re: No Need To Cut Back On Red Meat
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 04:24:26 PM »
>>Cardiologist Explains the Latest Red Meat Research

Good video and explanation of the study. I have seen similar points raised in a few different articles questioning those studies. Put down the cigarette, don't drink soda, and take a walk around the block and then enjoy your steak.

I have a LOT of thoughts on meat and probably think about it more than most. For the past week or two I have been formulating a blog post for my meat site (the focus will be something along the lines of "How I think about meat for my family") that will probably end up being a few thousand words by the time it is all done. It won't necessarily be focused on environmental or health impacts but as it plays out both of those will come into play. But the rough bullet points:

  • Meat isn't bad
  • Americans eat a lot of meat
  • Small farms are better than big feedlots (not a grass fed vs. grain fed argument)
  • Families have limited food budgets they need to make work
  • Shift some of your meat budget away from grocery store meat to local farms or other small farm sources of meat
  • The small farms produce a much higher quality of meat
  • Eat less meat overall but eat higher quality meat

That will probably morph and change as I write but that is at least what I have in my head for now.