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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2023, 10:47:58 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66575234

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Mr Millikin and his wife said the house was in disrepair, so they sought to restore it. It may have been these renovations that saved the home, the pair told US media.

They switched out the home's asphalt roof for one with heavy-gauge metal, surrounded the house with river stones and removed foliage around it. But none of these actions were meant to stop a blaze, they said.

"It's a 100% wood house, so it's not like we fireproofed it or anything," Dora Atwater Millikin told the Los Angeles Times.

She said as the fires blazed, large pieces of wood would hit people's roofs. "If it was an asphalt roof, it would catch on fire. And otherwise, they would fall off the roof and then ignite the foliage around the house," she said.

She added that the home's distance from its neighbours may have also served as a cushion.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2023, 05:14:44 PM »
This is my nightmare scenario. During the Ferguson Fire, when it looked like the whole community would burn, we were praying that the fire would not burn everyone and save our house. The best case is nobody burns (what happened). The worst is everyone burns but you.

All your friends are gone. Most won't rebuild here. If they do, it will be at least 10years until there's a decent number of houses. In the meantime, it's stinky, dusty, probably toxic. In our case, at first it looked like the power lines had been destroyed and PGE was saying a minimum of 18 months to replace them.

Meanwhile, as the last house standing, but totally undamaged, you can't collect insurance and you can't sell because nobody wants a house there for at least 2-3 years (after Foresta burned just down the road, people avoided it for several years because of the smell and absence of shade).


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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2023, 12:10:30 AM »
Living in your own post apocalyptic neighborhood where your house is there and you still have services and all you need? Hmmm, sign me up? hhh For a week at least.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2023, 03:50:42 PM »
>Living in your own post apocalyptic neighborhood where your house is there

Reminds me of the hurricane-proof Mexico Beach house:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/us/hurricane-michael-florida-mexico-beach-house.html
https://www.structuremag.org/?p=14326

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2023, 05:15:40 PM »
>Mexico Beach

"Their architect, Charles A. Gaskin, said that building a house the way they did roughly doubles the cost per square foot"

We moved in my house in 1988. I had a young family and my budget was a lot tighter then.  Still, I up-sized all the framing --even the plywood thickness on the sheathing, roof, and floors.  There are also a fair amount of steel beams. But that was 35 years ago and most of the building code upgrades for coastal wind-proofing were just talk. I did a few ideas that seemed logical while relatively inexpensive.  About 15 years ago during a renovation of the exterior & soffits I had wind tie-downs added to the roof rafters and had the new cement board siding screwed on with stainless steel screws.   Debbie says I spent 20% more per square foot.

With the experience gained from 10-12 hurricanes and countless tropical storms & nor'easters, if I were building today I have a lot more I'd do --particularly on the eastern and southeastern walls & roof that take the brunt of hurricane winds.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2023, 06:08:46 PM »
and you still have services and all you need? Hmmm, sign me up? hhh

HHH. A boy can always dream! At least in our situation, the common wisdom from various authorities is that if all the buildings burn, so will the power lines, transformers, control buildings for the sewer and water... so you'll need to settle in without services for a quite a while I think.

I'm not sure what's happening on that score in Maui. I guess it depends on how the services are being delivered and whether all those control structures are inside or outside the burn area. Our situation is a bit unique in that aside from electricity, we're more or less self-contained for water and sewer. And since the electrical infrastructure basically comes up a similar line to the water infrastructure, the general wisdom is that if the water goes, the electric will too and the whole lot of it would probably take a couple years to replace. Maybe more depending on financing. Over a decade to get the houses back.

My personal opinion is that if we experience a 90% loss, the government should buy out the remaining people and shut the place down. If we knew in the 1960s what we know now, this community would never have been allowed to build here. Idiotic place to build a home, but I was 94.56% ignorant of all that when I bought here and, so far so good.

BTW, have any of you ever walked through a large burn area within a few weeks of a major fire? It's fascinating, a bit dangerous (sink holes of ash and coals, weakened timber) and has an eery stark beauty to it. If you get the chance, you should. The recovery is surprisingly fast. They become quite pleasant and just loaded with wildflowers sometimes the very next spring, though typically a year or two after that if it was a very hot burn.

But honestly those are not places you want to spend a week unless you really do enjoy post-apocalyptic fantasies.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2023, 07:40:52 PM »
>BTW, have any of you ever walked through a large burn area within a few weeks of a major fire?

Yes.  After the December 2021 Derecho hit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Midwest_derecho_and_tornado_outbreak).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwplDLFwLY

The stone house you see burning belonged to a friend of mine I went to school with.

It was absolutely creepy.  No bird sounds or insects.  Just silence and ash and the smell of charcoal.  It left a taste in your mouth too.  Just horrible.
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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2023, 07:55:37 PM »
>recovery

I went to Mt Saint Helens 6 years after the eruption. I was surprised by the lack of regrowth in the primary blast area.  For about a mile around the epicenter there were only a few saplings scattered among the rocks & toppled trees. There was very little greenery, just gray, dead hillsides.  I assume the pyroclastic flow contained strong toxins.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2023, 01:52:03 AM »
>> Derecho

The footage of that cattle is staggering.

Did you revisit those lands the next spring?

>>6 years

That is a long time to not regrow. I wonder if it's toxins per se or just radical changes to soil PH and elimination of the seed bank. They say that with the super intense and large fires we have had in the past decade, regrowth is slow. Normal regrowth depends on:

 - a dormant and fire-resistant seed banks. There are lots of plants that need fire and they sit in the soil waiting for a fire
 - seeds blowing in from nearby

Some recent fires have been so hot and so big they have fried the seed bank in the soil and they burn are is so large that seeds don't float in on the wind in sufficient numbers and it takes very long to regrow.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2023, 02:51:29 PM »
Cape Town and the Western Cape suffer from wildfires every year - I've walked through many active burn zones shooting photos and video and then conducted follow up shoots in the days/weeks and months. It's not something you ever forget.

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Re: Photo of unscathed house goes viral after Hawaii fires
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2023, 07:18:52 PM »
>Did you revisit those lands the next spring?

It took some time for it to green up because it was so dry.  But about a week after the first rain, it was beautiful.