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« on: September 05, 2021, 10:56:12 AM »
The millionaire rewilding the countryside, one farm at a time

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/05/the-millionaire-rewilding-the-countryside-one-farm-at-a-time

This rewilding example is in the UK, but this is something that we need to do in the US as well.  In the US we have fields where the land is too steep, like the sides of river valleys, and should never have been cleared for farming.  Lots of marginal farmland prone to annual flooding along rivers.  Also, reclaiming abandoned surface mines.

There was a lot of talk about planting trees to fight climate change prior to Covid, which seems to have been forgotten.  We need to get back to figuring out how to do this.  And it will require a plan from the government to do it.

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2021, 03:12:43 PM »
Seen quite a few projects like this by wealthy and poor people across the globe who simply make it their purpose in life. Saw an older chap in Asia (I think) who wasn't from money but had enough to scrape by and had done similar with dozens of acres of land over decades. Impressive stuff.

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2021, 08:52:29 PM »
Twenty-eight years ago or so I was in a second growth rainforest in Costa Rica, about thirty years before that the entire area was clear cut for farming.   The biodiversity was amazing.  I'm no biologist, but  there is no way I'd be able to tell.

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2021, 09:55:45 AM »
Much of New England (VT, NH) was cleared for farming in the 1700's and 1800's.  All those "mysterious"  dry stone walls that run through what are now forests once separated cleared fields.  Farming was largely abandoned there once canals and railroads opened up areas for farming that didn't have so many boulders.  Anyway it's a good example of rewilding.

> rainforest

It's amazing how fast tropical rainforests can heal themselves. 

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 08:23:12 AM »
My cousin livers in a cottage on this estate:
https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/rewilding-projects/knepp-castle-estate

I get lovely little David Attenborough style videos of the deer and other wildlife on his morning walks.

You don't see many tractors on it.
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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 10:54:54 AM »
> cousin

That is a really cool place Rupert. 

I get a kick that pigs, ponies and long horn cattle are acting as proxies for prehistoric herd animals.  Yeah in Britain you have to decide what slice of time you want to emulate.

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 03:09:32 PM »
Much of New England (VT, NH)

There's a really cool set of trails up by the Waterbury Reservoir in Vermont that actually takes you through an old village. To the unitiated eye, you might think you're hiking through old-growth hardwood forest that had never been cut... until you get to the cemetery. There's a grave there from someone who died in the early 1900s who was 102 years old. She basically lived most of the 19th century in this little mountain hamlet. Then the railroads came in and prices dropped so these mountain farms could not survive (it was fear of the same that kept the Swiss from joining the EU).
https://vtstateparks.com/littleriver.html

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 03:15:04 PM »
In the National Parks and other public lands (which in itself is a thorny term), there is a reckoning with the "rewilding" of these lands, achieved by conquest and ejection of the people who lived there. There is a lot of baggage in the terms "wilderness" and "wild" and "nature" and "natural" that hails from late-eighteenth and nineteenth-century Romanticism and its success Transcendentalism (so Rousseau, Emmerson, Thoreau and ultimately Muir). It basically saw no role in "wild" places for the people who had inhabited them for thousands of years and portrayed them in writing as vast, empty spaces.

Thus the Blackfeet were promised hunting rights as long as the land was "public land," but they lost half their hunting grounds when Glacier National Park was created (which from a legislative and legal perspective stopped being "public lands" and became "federal lands" and thus the courts ruled that the Blackfeet had no right to enter the park).

You can say similar things about the poor white people who lived in what is now the Adirondack State Park (Karl Jacoby has a nice book, "Crimes against Nature," about the invention of the crime of poaching in America and how that was all tied up to, essentially, rewilding northern New York for very wealthy hunters at the expense of the people who lived there who quickly went from upstanding residents to criminals overnight).

So in my mind, ideas of "wild" and "wilderness" and "nature" have become very complex since the naive days when I came to Yosemite and saw an open space that had been set aside for future generations as a wild place.
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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 06:30:36 PM »
>but this is something that we need to do in the US as well.

Government will pay you to put in a pollinator plot.  As well as CRP.

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2021, 01:45:38 PM »
Call to make Scotland the world's first rewilding nation - as nature recovery project launches | HeraldScotland

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/19601815.call-make-scotland-worlds-first-rewilding-nation---nature-recovery-project-launches/

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2021, 07:06:16 PM »
> Scotland

This is cool.  I should know this but I don't: I assume large parts of Scotland were forested in past centuries?

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2021, 05:52:41 AM »
This is cool.  I should know this but I don't: I assume large parts of Scotland were forested in past centuries?

I guess so, a friend has spent some weeks in the past planting trees up there in hippy volumes with a team trying to replace what I think he called the Caledonian Forest
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2021, 11:38:18 AM »
>Caledonian Forest  Easy kw


What is left of the Old Caledonian Forest - and can it be saved? | The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/what-left-old-caledonian-forest-and-can-it-be-saved-1483241

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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2021, 11:46:26 AM »
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Caledonian Forest  Easy kw

If I looked it up you would be bored :)

Actually I do have a bit more to add.  My sister in Law we went to see recently, was showing us parts of the Cairngorm national park where they are trying to let the forest come back naturally.  In the 1980s and 1990, they were planting big blocks of single type trees, and you can still see the squares of forest today.

 The approach now (Last 20 years or more)  is to let the trees come back more naturally.  The downside is time... it takes ages for them to grow.  If you go up Meall a Bhuachaille (I cannot pronounce it) you can see the mountain ash, willow and various firs that are effectively rewilding the hillside. The higher you go of couse the smaller the trees.  To help this, deer have been removed from the hill, as they eat the trees.



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Re: Rewilding
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2021, 11:32:10 AM »