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Why We Are Here => Water Cooler => Topic started by: rcjordan on March 11, 2018, 03:29:57 PM

Title: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/11/salisbury-public-warned-wash-clothes-nerve-agent-attack/

I've been following this some. To me, it seems to be a somewhat sloppy and indiscriminate assassination attempt and not very "Russian agent-like"  --at least not the movie version of Russian agents.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 11, 2018, 05:58:21 PM
>sloppy

Perhaps intentionally so as a warning or some FSB agents settling scores on their own.

In case you missed it, this series of articles is fascinating. Warning: some are long, but worth the read.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/poison-in-the-system?utm_term=.tngXKE6AG#.xxE9g0pa7
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 11, 2018, 07:57:54 PM
>Perhaps intentionally

Yes, good thinking.

If the intent is not assassination but to disrupt the social fabric it needs to be visible and make press.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 12, 2018, 07:53:58 PM
This is going to get interesting.  The use of chemical weapons in a UK city cannot slide by unchallenged.  I hope the US backs the UK response 100 percent.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 12, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
Back in the Cold War days, I read a book "Inside the KGB", I believe the title was, one failing of the KGB was it was so big that often one hand didn't know what the other was doing so sometimes different divisions were working at cross purposes unbeknownst to each other.  Another problem was lots of things just fell through the cracks. CIA had the same problems.  I can imagine the FSB has similar issues.

All that might point to sloppy.

If Putin didn't know about it, somebody high up did, you don't get access to these weapons over the counter. Or as PM said, Russia has lost control of their arsenal of chemical weapons.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: nffc on March 12, 2018, 11:29:38 PM
>The use of chemical weapons in a UK city cannot slide by unchallenged.

We've already let it slide many times before, one example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

I think we have to be careful and look outside our little bubble. We view this as unacceptable, I don't think it is viewed that way in Russia and also in the vast majority of other countries in the world.

Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2018, 12:19:29 PM
I may be remembering this wrong, but in the early days of Cold War espionage both sides were killing each others agents quite regularly.  Eventually both sides got tired of this, plus Stalin died, and tacit rules developed that lowered the body count.  We might be heading back to those earlier times or the Russians are already there and the West is just now getting the memo.

My read is that the public actions by the West will be tepid, and we are unlikely to ever know about any covert responses.  But just like a kid the Russians are testing the limits and somehow they need to be brought up sharply in a manner they understand or the problem will grow.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2018, 12:28:41 PM
From what I've skimmed, the UK is just jumping to the most obvious conclusion; Russian spy pissed Putin off.  But what if, say, North Korea saw an advantage in aggravating UK-Russian relationships?
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 13, 2018, 04:20:50 PM
hmmmmm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 13, 2018, 04:58:28 PM
If done right, UK could score in the propaganda wars by seriously and publicly reopening those 12 to 14 inquiries into the deaths of Russian exiles and and people associated with those exiles. Because, frankly the only people who believe Russian denials are those already in Russia's pocket.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 14, 2018, 11:42:22 PM
Cold War Tactics Return to Britain

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/theresa-may-expel-diplomats-russia/555581/
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 15, 2018, 02:02:49 AM
There is a small chance that the attack was done by someone else besides Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-stockpiles/secret-trial-shows-risks-of-nerve-agent-theft-in-post-soviet-chaos-experts-idUSKCN1GQ2RH?il=0

The problem is that only Russia has an obvious motive to murder this guy.
As far as means goes, if it was the Russian mob a bullet would have been easier.

It will be interesting if the investigators can figure out where and how the nerve agent was administered that could tell them a lot.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Rumbas on March 15, 2018, 10:42:50 AM
>disrupt the social fabric
>don't think it is viewed that way in Russia

Agreed. We had a segment last night on the news where a DK reporter just did some wox pop on the street in Russia and EVERYONE the asked didn't know about it, didn't care about it or down right thought is was the rest of the World pointing fingers at Russia ("again").

>may expel

She already did - 23 of them got a week to get out:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43402506

Quote
I want to remind you that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11064209/Vladimir-Putin-Dont-mess-with-nuclear-armed-Russia.html

This could potentially get out of hand.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: BoL on March 15, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
Even if proven there's Russian government involvement, it feels like we just defer repercussive measures to our big brother, the USA.
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Rupert on March 15, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
This could be the start of cold war 2.

I hope not. 
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
Looks like the toxin was planted in the daughter's luggage in Russia.

Nerve agent planted in luggage of Russian agent's daughter: The Telegraph https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBKhLho?m=en-us&a=1

So something she would handle or unwrap once she was with her father. 
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
And another death.
UK calls death of Russian businessman Glushkov a homicide https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBKjiNz?m=en-us&a=1
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: rcjordan on March 28, 2018, 11:42:06 PM
Skripals poisoned from front door of Salisbury home, police say


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/skripals-poisoned-from-front-door-of-salisbury-home-police-say
Title: Re: UK: Salisbury public warned to wash clothes after nerve agent attack
Post by: gm66 on April 11, 2018, 04:34:58 PM
Anti-RU crap?

The UK gov spread chemicals to see what effect it would have on the populace :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html

Can you say "Fort Detrick", "Porton Down".