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Scotland's going to go independent
« on: September 08, 2014, 06:28:58 PM »
Debbie says.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 07:16:00 PM »
The powers that be want a nay! I've changed my mind to a yes but can't vote being in Canada just now.

The real sticking point of the debate has been the currency issue, or more so the lender of last resort.

It seems people have switched to a yes because there hasn't been much positive coming from the "no" camp. Ultimately most of the discussion has been around economics.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 08:07:50 PM »
If they go independent, will there be free crossing of people, goods and services between the countries?  Will Scotland adopt the Euro?

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
The SNP (Scottish National Party) are the instigators of the referendum and they propose a currency union with the rest of the UK and continue to use Sterling. The UK parties have all said there's no chance of it and there's a bit of bluff on both sides. The SNP argue that if Scotland cannot take the proportion of the UK's assets, then it will won't take the proportion of debt either. The underlying theme would seem to be that the rest of the UK would co-operate, as Scottish exports (a large part being oil) helps the balance of trade with Sterling.

Ultimately the referendum is whether the people want Scotland to be independent, and there would be an election. So any party is entitled to have a different point of view and be voted in on that.

The EU Commissioner (?) had came out and said that Scotland would not be assured automatic entry into the EU or Euro.

Doubtful there'd be border controls.

There are a lot of unknowns if the yes vote comes through.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2014, 08:23:13 PM by BoL »

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 07:16:31 AM »
Debbie says.

not sure - its an definate possibility but polls are 50/50 and I think the twin factors that people seem to be embarrased to say they're voting no (bit like voting conservative) and the fact that Yes leaves no room for reconsidering later, might just tip things to a no on the day.

While a part of me really wants it to be no, its going to be really interesting watching how they seperate us if its a yes - I don't think whether to arm the border guards will be much of a discussion but oil, currency, what happens in the UK once 40 odd MP's are removed mid term, even what happens with our flag will all be complicated.


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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 08:50:03 AM »
A good read on the subject:

Schroedinger's Kingdom: the Scottish Political Singularity Explained

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/06/the-scottish-political-singula.html

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It makes it really hard to even think about writing that next near-future Scottish police thriller when I can't predict what country it will be set in, much less what its public culture will look like or where it will be ruled from.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 11:05:53 AM »
The No campaign want a Yes, as it is being run by the conservatives, and if there is a Yes, it means the conservatives will be in for the next 20 years in The UK- scots.

what will we call it?  Still the UK?  Still keep the flag.

FWIW, I think its not "independence", it is "Disunion"  Everyone wants independence, its a very emotional word. The "Better to getter campaign" is imho pathetic.. 
Hence my view that actually, they want ot loose.

think of the political problems it would solve.

loads of Labour seats gone.
Th Midlothian question Answered. (Scots currently vote in the UK, but others do not vote in Scotland)
the gap between expenditure per head is solved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031543/UK-government-spending-Scots-1-600-year-spent-English.html

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 12:19:22 PM »
>Debbie says.

She bases this on how she sees a similar "Do you want out?" referendum going for, say, Texas. Or maybe even Vermont.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 12:48:49 PM »
On a completely emotional level, it feels wrong to me.  Born and raised in England to a Scottish father and Welsh mother, I consider myself British first, English second, part Scottish and Welsh third.  I realise I'm in the minority having such a multicultural background  ;)

At a simplistic level, the idea of squirreling off into our own little corners seems regressive.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 12:54:13 PM »
Mini states fragmenting off from larger unions only make sense when there are no powerful enemies nearby. With peace and prosperity let's people think about fiddling with the status quo.  Scotland is not the end of it:

Belgium is barely holding together, Spain and especially if Scotland votes for separation, Quebec will eventually try again.  There are more.

The whole Scotland question took me by surprise, I had no idea that close to 50% of the voters might consider separation. It is going the be very interesting.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 01:21:36 PM »
Had a great time in Scotchland

The world is a changing...
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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 02:16:00 PM »
My heart wants the union to stay.
My pockets wants it to go.

I fear that Yes will win (posted something in private that may be interesting)

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 04:25:10 PM »
>what will we call it?  Still the UK?  Still keep the flag.

EWNIted kingdom  :-\

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 04:30:17 PM »
I see no problems in us keeping the full name (even if Scotland leaves)

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Scotland is voting whether to become an independant nation by leaving the UK. The rest of Great Britain isn't voting to change and will continue to be all it is, within it's formal name.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2014, 05:11:04 PM »
> referendum going for, say, Texas

Hilary Clinton had sided with "Better Together", a few days before the 4th of July no less.

Seems like there's a lot of movement outside the UK pressing for the no vote, probably more to do with NATO and having a strong NATO partner than anything. One of the SNPs manifesto pledges is to remove all nuclear warheads from Scottish territory. Apparently the entire UK arsenal is here.