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Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« on: February 04, 2023, 04:03:17 AM »
I got sucked into this article about Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity. Short version: Bonhoeffer* argued that stupidity is more dangerous than evil because evil can be combatted in obvious ways, while stupidity cannot and because an evil maniac without stupid people who can be convinced to follow along will ultimately have little power.
https://bigthink.com/thinking/bonhoeffers-theory-stupidity-evil

Mildly interesting, but it led me to the author's Facebook account
https://www.facebook.com/philosophyminis/

Little tidbits of philosophy every couple of days.

*Bonheoffer, BTW, was a German theologian who became an anti-Nazi dissident and was executed in the last days of the Third Reich. So his thoughts on evil and stupidity arose in that context, which, strangely, the author of the article doesn't even mention.

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Re: Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2023, 04:36:36 AM »
New Mexico leads the US in the lowest average IQ at 95. New Hampshire with the highest average at 103

https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/10t3qwb/new_mexico_leads_the_us_in_the_lowest_average_iq/

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Re: Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2023, 07:32:54 AM »
I have to agree with the premise that stupid people are dangerous due to their risk of being mislead.  The rise of populism is a great example of this.  We seem to be forgetting the lessons of the twentieth century.  I give it five years until people are publicly advocating for eugenics again.  I find it a curiosity how easy it is for humanity to be lead around.  There is definitely a formula, that just seems to universally appeal to a good percentage of people.

I am not exactly sure how IQ plays into this.  There are plenty of high IQ people who are willingly manipulated.  A thoughtful person with a lower IQ is probably less "stupid" in this sense than a higher IQ person who blindly follows a path because of the way it makes that person feel.



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Re: Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2023, 10:12:26 AM »
Education plays into this.

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Re: Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2023, 06:52:57 PM »
I think his feed in general is interesting, not just the bit about the philosophy of stupidity. I bet he's an excellent professor. Digestible little philosophy tidbits.

>>I am not exactly sure how IQ plays into this.

That's an interesting question. Can you be high-IQ and still be stupid?

I've seen mentions here and there with respect to QAnon, Covid vaccines and so on and how susceptibility relates to "intelligence" (whatever that means). I don't think "high IQ" and "smart" should be treated as synonyms like many popular press articles do, but whatever. Here goes...

Why smart people are more likely to believe fake news
Research shows that smart people are more susceptible to fake news and conspiracy theories – but why?
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To make matters worse, more educated participants also seemed less likely to update their beliefs after they had been debunked; instead, they actually became more certain they were right. Somehow, their greater knowledge simply allowed them to dismiss the new information and harden their attitudes...  For any issue that strikes at the core of who we are, greater brainpower may simply serve to preserve that identity at the expense of the truth.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/01/why-smart-people-are-more-likely-to-believe-fake-news


High-IQ also seem prone to apophenia - the tendency to see patterns in random events. It's interesting how belief precedes evidence. I recently learned when that football player got hit and collapsed, that every time a young athlete dies, there is a group of people who counts this as a death due to the Covid vaccine, even though in most cases they don't know whether or not the athlete was even vaccinated, let alone that the death was related.

This is the article that taught me the word apophenia and opened my eyes on this topic. I posted it here a long time ago, but it is worth a read:
https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5

It seems that you need not just good reasoning skills, but also a belief in their importance matters. One indicator is how you rank on the Importance of Rationality Scale which asks people to rank from 1-7 their opinion on questions like, “It is important to me personally to be skeptical about claims that are not backed up by evidence.” People who have good reasoning skills and a high IRS score are unlikely to accept conspiracy theories be stupid.

https://time.com/5023383/conspiracy-theories-reasons-believe/
https://psychcentral.com/health/apophenia-overview

All that to say that I'm pretty sure that very high-IQ people can be and often are stupid in Bonhoeffer's understanding of that word, especially if preserving a sense of their identity is aided by being "stupid."
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Re: Mini-philosophy, stupidity and evil
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2023, 10:12:40 PM »
And today this pops up in my feeds...

Conspiracy theories are dangerous—here’s how to crush them
An interview with Nancy L. Rosenblum and Russell Muirhead, authors of “A Lot of People Are Saying”

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/08/12/conspiracy-theories-are-dangerous-heres-how-to-crush-them

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What we’re seeing today is something different: conspiracy without the theory. Its proponents dispense with evidence and explanation.... Conspiracism comes with a claim to own reality. That’s the scenario we worry about most, one that obliterates a common world of facts and public reasoning. But we think the best way to reclaim reality is to fight this fire with water: scrupulous recourse to argument and evidence and explanations that are available to everyone and above all, subject to correction.

That line about owning reality reminds me of one of the central arguments of Hannah Arendt's "Origins of Totalitarianism" and, of course, of Orwell's 1984.

And it brings me back to the original Bonhoeffer argument and the IQ question. The ability to reason well does not confer protection against stupidity unless it is coupled with a desire to reason well.